Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers
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pavarotti1980 said:
Apparently people dont like it when public sector says lessons will be learnt though...the only solution is for mass sackings and losing pension. We heard it here first
with the amount being learned you might be forgiven for thinking that plod are somewhat slow on the uptake
Actually laughing out loud at the Dorset post.
How, and why do these people have or warrant any rights?
As far as I am concerned they are like criminals, they give up their rights by not offering anything to society other than dirt, crime and anti social behaviour, that should be enough.
If you are going to live beyond the rules why should you expect anyone to respect you in any way whatsoever? I certainly don't, they are beyond any level of respect.
Oh, of course this is England, nanny state capital of the world.
They are ALL scum, need rooting out, deporting, putting in prison.
Sadly, the police literally let them get away with murder routinely and we all seem quite happy to allow that because now and then they take away and old washing machine.
You do realise you are funding
s don't you? Does that sit happily with anyone on here?
How, and why do these people have or warrant any rights?
As far as I am concerned they are like criminals, they give up their rights by not offering anything to society other than dirt, crime and anti social behaviour, that should be enough.
If you are going to live beyond the rules why should you expect anyone to respect you in any way whatsoever? I certainly don't, they are beyond any level of respect.
Oh, of course this is England, nanny state capital of the world.
They are ALL scum, need rooting out, deporting, putting in prison.
Sadly, the police literally let them get away with murder routinely and we all seem quite happy to allow that because now and then they take away and old washing machine.
You do realise you are funding
s don't you? Does that sit happily with anyone on here? La Liga said:
chunder27 said:
Sadly, the police literally let them get away with murder routinely and we all seem quite happy to allow that because now and then they take away and old washing machine.
You heard it on PH, the police literally let them get away with murder 
Red 4 said:
La Liga said:
chunder27 said:
Sadly, the police literally let them get away with murder routinely and we all seem quite happy to allow that because now and then they take away and old washing machine.
You heard it on PH, the police literally let them get away with murder 
I will agree though that literally might be pushing it somewhat
irocfan said:
Red 4 said:
La Liga said:
chunder27 said:
Sadly, the police literally let them get away with murder routinely and we all seem quite happy to allow that because now and then they take away and old washing machine.
You heard it on PH, the police literally let them get away with murder I will agree though that literally might be pushing it somewhat
You cannot go against public opinion indefinitely - no one can, less still a taxpayer-funded organisation - and, at some point, it would be better to put the effort into planning how the problem can be tackled, rather than making up ever less convincing excuses why it cannot.
Rovinghawk said:
Carrot said:
Don't worry yourself, I am sure lessons will be learned so that's OK.
The lesson learned is that they're too difficult to deal with.Before the ad homs start flying, let's see whether I'm proven right.
Note, I'm not, repeat not, having a pick and mix attitude as to which laws to obey, but the surveys / operation will, I know, be nowhere near the camps. Hopefully, however, they will catch the blue Fiat Doblo van type heap that's locally not taxed, not insured, not MoT'd since 2016, but driven around regularly by the caravan lot. Btw 2016 MOT 13 failure items, 9 advisories.
Digga said:
It may be hysterical hyperbole, but at the same time, what the police fail to appreciate is public opinion on the issue.
You cannot go against public opinion indefinitely - no one can, less still a taxpayer-funded organisation - and, at some point, it would be better to put the effort into planning how the problem can be tackled, rather than making up ever less convincing excuses why it cannot.
this^. i think there have been situations in just about every area of the country regarding the criminal element of the travelling community that would ensure come any public consultation law makers would have carte blanche to do what they like when it comes to dealing with them. i know that would set a dangerous precedent ,first they came for the travelers etc, but it looks to me in the long run something like that will happen.no group can continually pYou cannot go against public opinion indefinitely - no one can, less still a taxpayer-funded organisation - and, at some point, it would be better to put the effort into planning how the problem can be tackled, rather than making up ever less convincing excuses why it cannot.
s off large swathes of the population before people start serious lobbying for change.there is a missing person enquiry ongoing near me where the individual in question supposedly had an argument with travelers in a local pub on the night he disappeared. rumour has it the police know who is responsible but don't have the evidence to arrest. if that is the case there is not much they can do, however public perception however is very negative toward the police as a result.
Trust, confidence and perception doesn't really change with policing. It's pretty consistent as it's the bigger picture that matters.
The 'thin end of the wedge' type fallacy thinking is melodramatic, which I also expect applies to most peoples' judgement of how big-a-problem there is with travellers etc.
We know a gross disproportion go through the criminal justice system, just as we do with other groups who seemingly commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
Is it perfect? No, but is tacking crime within any 'community'? Of course not.
The 'thin end of the wedge' type fallacy thinking is melodramatic, which I also expect applies to most peoples' judgement of how big-a-problem there is with travellers etc.
We know a gross disproportion go through the criminal justice system, just as we do with other groups who seemingly commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
Is it perfect? No, but is tacking crime within any 'community'? Of course not.
andymc said:
they are an organised criminal group, no more no less
Some certainly qualify and receive attention for it. Digga said:
It may be hysterical hyperbole, but at the same time, what the police fail to appreciate is public opinion on the issue.
You cannot go against public opinion indefinitely - no one can, less still a taxpayer-funded organisation - and, at some point, it would be better to put the effort into planning how the problem can be tackled, rather than making up ever less convincing excuses why it cannot.
I don't think the police are failing to appreciate public opinion.You cannot go against public opinion indefinitely - no one can, less still a taxpayer-funded organisation - and, at some point, it would be better to put the effort into planning how the problem can be tackled, rather than making up ever less convincing excuses why it cannot.
That's why the Chief Constable appeared on TV giving an explanation for the (lack of) police response.
Seriously, it's all well and good for the haters on here to continue with their diatribe but that doesn't alter reality.
Perhaps they should be asking why there are so few available police rather than criticising everything else.
Red 4 said:
Perhaps they should be asking why there are so few available police rather than criticising everything else.
I know the answer to that; because your mindless unions persisted in expecting gold-plated pensions, long after they could possibly be sustainably afforded. This created an inevitable government standoff and hence the advent of the "plastic police" a.k.a. PCSOs.(I happen to know a fair bit about the pensions because my dad's friend and neighbour used to administer the local force's fund.)
FWIW I would completely agree that the police are, today, seriously under-resourced. However, in matters of national importance and security, we do still have armed forces we can call on.
Digga said:
I know the answer to that; because your mindless unions persisted in expecting gold-plated pensions, long after they could possibly be sustainably afforded. This created an inevitable government standoff and hence the advent of the "plastic police" a.k.a. PCSOs.
(I happen to know a fair bit about the pensions because my dad's friend and neighbour used to administer the local force's fund.)
Police officers have no union/s. They have a federation. (I happen to know a fair bit about the pensions because my dad's friend and neighbour used to administer the local force's fund.)
What could the fed do / have done to stop pension reform had various governments wanted to change it earlier than when they did? They could explore legal avenues, but ultimately that's it.
I don't see any link between police officer pensions and the creation of PCSOs.
I also don't see the link between pension reform and why there are fewer police officers.
Perhaps you can enlighten me on both points.
La Liga said:
Digga said:
I know the answer to that; because your mindless unions persisted in expecting gold-plated pensions, long after they could possibly be sustainably afforded. This created an inevitable government standoff and hence the advent of the "plastic police" a.k.a. PCSOs.
(I happen to know a fair bit about the pensions because my dad's friend and neighbour used to administer the local force's fund.)
Police officers have no union/s. They have a federation. (I happen to know a fair bit about the pensions because my dad's friend and neighbour used to administer the local force's fund.)
What could the fed do / have done to stop pension reform had various governments wanted to change it earlier than when they did? They could explore legal avenues, but ultimately that's it.
I don't see any link between police officer pensions and the creation of PCSOs.
I also don't see the link between pension reform and why there are fewer police officers.
Perhaps you can enlighten me on both points.
I know it's from 2012 but last year I heard a similar statement on the radio, some police authorities have to support more retirees than active members, the money has to come from somewhere and that means fewer officers.
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