Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers
Discussion
Digga said:
Greendubber said:
I'm going to need a bigger boat 
Bigger boat (well more prison spaces) and more crew.Same for Trumpton actually, and yet locally we had our fully manned units taken away a long time ago in favour of retained crews, not even a single person at the stations. Now those satellite stations are being closed down, like the local nick, and everybody being shifted to some new central location, again with even fewer fully manned units and all the rest on retained crew. Except the location of the new central unit is such that there is insufficient housing and businesses sufficiently close that retained firefighters can now not meet the maximum journey time criteria. So there's a major recruitment problem. Not to mention if it takes longer to get a retained crew there, it also takes longer for the units once turned out to get back to scene. Couldn't make it up.
Edited by chris.mod on Friday 22 February 10:19
FiF said:
Agreed more crew, more boots out there, and to answer a LaLiga question about funding, yes happy to pay double what I pay now for policing. When you look at what it is on a daily basis and then go out and figure out what you can actually buy for that in the shops it's an eye opener how little it is in reality.
Not necessarily just funding, but defining what the police do. Over 80% of calls to the police are non-crime. Lots of demand the public wouldn’t associate with police. Other demand that is just a pain and resource killer i.e. those who decide they want to ‘kill themselves’ and go missing on a bank holiday weekend. I bet every police officer knows and example or two like that!
yonex said:
So how much time and money to lock up this waste of space for just 4 years, I guess he’ll serve 2?
It’s a joke.
There's no room at the inn. They have to give novelty sentences, and still let them out early, because the next load of sIt’s a joke.
te through the courts will need locking up too.Everyone - the courts, the police - realise that, often, this means seeing people re-arrested and going through the whole system, whilst technically, morally and sensibly they should still be banged up. It's not ideal and, every re-offence is another load of lives impacted by it, not least a huge cost to the country.
Earthdweller said:
Probably have a family reunion in thereGreendubber said:
Even after all these pages of explanation, spelling it out to you, spoon feeding it even you still can't understand it.
Take the hook out of your mouth!
Problem is that the explanation simply doesn’t reflect the reality we see on a daily basis. Driving into Windsor today, there was some sort of crusty commotion at Centrica. Not sure what they were demoing about, I was driving. How many plod? In the immortal words of John Connor, “uh, all of them I think”. Well over 100 coppers, about 6 crusties, and they weren’t really threatening crusties. There seems to be absolutely zero problem getting a turnout for this, but a load of travellers kicking off get a free pass. Other than a very tiny number getting a short prison sentence. Those odds are pretty good if you want to go and smash stuff up.Take the hook out of your mouth!
Edited by chris.mod on Friday 22 February 10:13
rxe said:
Greendubber said:
Even after all these pages of explanation, spelling it out to you, spoon feeding it even you still can't understand it.
Take the hook out of your mouth!
Problem is that the explanation simply doesn’t reflect the reality we see on a daily basis. Driving into Windsor today, there was some sort of crusty commotion at Centrica. Not sure what they were demoing about, I was driving. How many plod? In the immortal words of John Connor, “uh, all of them I think”. Well over 100 coppers, about 6 crusties, and they weren’t really threatening crusties. There seems to be absolutely zero problem getting a turnout for this, but a load of travellers kicking off get a free pass. Other than a very tiny number getting a short prison sentence. Those odds are pretty good if you want to go and smash stuff up.Take the hook out of your mouth!
Edited by chris.mod on Friday 22 February 10:13
It looks s
t but that's the reality of it. Nothing to do with tiresome comments about bravery from Walters who are too scared to tell us their probably imaginary military back ground after making a direct comparison to policing. Edited by Greendubber on Friday 22 February 12:34
Greendubber said:
Aw bless.
I'm 99% certain she doesn't have a cock....
I see the Mods have been in for a spot of cleaning ...I'm 99% certain she doesn't have a cock....
Edited by chris.mod on Friday 22 February 10:03
Hardly surprising given Rovingtrolls (now deleted) post.
Perhaps of more concern is that you appear to have a nagging doubt (1%) that your female Sergeant does indeed have a tallywhacker.
rxe said:
Problem is that the explanation simply doesn’t reflect the reality we see on a daily basis. Driving into Windsor today, there was some sort of crusty commotion at Centrica. Not sure what they were demoing about, I was driving. How many plod? In the immortal words of John Connor, “uh, all of them I think”. Well over 100 coppers, about 6 crusties, and they weren’t really threatening crusties. There seems to be absolutely zero problem getting a turnout for this, but a load of travellers kicking off get a free pass. Other than a very tiny number getting a short prison sentence. Those odds are pretty good if you want to go and smash stuff up.
If any force has the capacity to find officers at short notice, it’s the Met. Not sure how the Met, and a whatever incident this is you won’t know enough about to use it as any sort of comparison have to do with Lancashire.
La Liga said:
rxe said:
Problem is that the explanation simply doesn’t reflect the reality we see on a daily basis. Driving into Windsor today, there was some sort of crusty commotion at Centrica. Not sure what they were demoing about, I was driving. How many plod? In the immortal words of John Connor, “uh, all of them I think”. Well over 100 coppers, about 6 crusties, and they weren’t really threatening crusties. There seems to be absolutely zero problem getting a turnout for this, but a load of travellers kicking off get a free pass. Other than a very tiny number getting a short prison sentence. Those odds are pretty good if you want to go and smash stuff up.
If any force has the capacity to find officers at short notice, it’s the Met. Not sure how the Met, and a whatever incident this is you won’t know enough about to use it as any sort of comparison have to do with Lancashire.
Except Windsor comes under the Thames Valley Police area.
The Met do have responsibility for Windsor Castle though.
Red 4 said:
Greendubber said:
Aw bless.
I'm 99% certain she doesn't have a cock....
I see the Mods have been in for a spot of cleaning ...I'm 99% certain she doesn't have a cock....
Edited by chris.mod on Friday 22 February 10:03
Hardly surprising given Rovingtrolls (now deleted) post.
Perhaps of more concern is that you appear to have a nagging doubt (1%) that your female Sergeant does indeed have a tallywhacker.
La Liga said:
FiF said:
Agreed more crew, more boots out there, and to answer a LaLiga question about funding, yes happy to pay double what I pay now for policing. When you look at what it is on a daily basis and then go out and figure out what you can actually buy for that in the shops it's an eye opener how little it is in reality.
Not necessarily just funding, but defining what the police do. Over 80% of calls to the police are non-crime. Lots of demand the public wouldn’t associate with police. Other demand that is just a pain and resource killer i.e. those who decide they want to ‘kill themselves’ and go missing on a bank holiday weekend. I bet every police officer knows and example or two like that!
I'll add on bloody council officials trying to pass the buck. Without going into details I spoke to our council over a matter that I considered as littering, yet they passed it onto the police as fly tipping. Which it very clearly wasn't, yet it took up some police time to deal with the referral and get it back to the council where it should have been, and where it had been referred in the first place.
Edited by FiF on Friday 22 February 15:42
Definitely.
It's not a mutual thing, either.
When the NHS, social services and the wider LA can't meet certain areas of demand, it can be passed along to the police e.g. mental health, children at risk, medical emergencies, noise complaints etc.
When the police can't meet areas of demand there's no passing the demand across to anyone else so the impact is greater.
It's not a mutual thing, either.
When the NHS, social services and the wider LA can't meet certain areas of demand, it can be passed along to the police e.g. mental health, children at risk, medical emergencies, noise complaints etc.
When the police can't meet areas of demand there's no passing the demand across to anyone else so the impact is greater.
At what point could a Police & Crime Commissioner/Chief Constable say "Enough is enough|" & refuse to do the Council's/NHS job and pas the buck back to them?. I get not responding to noise complaints etc can be done but who would they pass a search for a missing person to? Again, we have all seen cops in A&E having to be with some scumbag that has been hurt/feigns illness, so they cant leave them with nurses. How much of the non-traditional police stuff can they refuse in reality?
Caused, as you say, by swingeing cuts elsewhere.
Caused, as you say, by swingeing cuts elsewhere.
kowalski655 said:
At what point could a Police & Crime Commissioner/Chief Constable say "Enough is enough|" & refuse to do the Council's/NHS job and pas the buck back to them?. I get not responding to noise complaints etc can be done but who would they pass a search for a missing person to? Again, we have all seen cops in A&E having to be with some scumbag that has been hurt/feigns illness, so they cant leave them with nurses. How much of the non-traditional police stuff can they refuse in reality?
Caused, as you say, by swingeing cuts elsewhere.
The police have been able to take a slightly more common sense approach to missing people recently but a lot of Mispers are high risk so suicidal, old and frail dementia patients etc. No issue with that at all, police need to find those people to protect life. Caused, as you say, by swingeing cuts elsewhere.
The gobby teenage idiot that hasn't returned home at night should be down to the parents/carers to collect but all it takes is a 'we don't have any staff to facilitate it, they need returning as they're vulnerable due to age' its total b
ks but the police would be the ones to blame of something happens to them once that calls been made. Forget criticism for the useless care staff who let them fk off in the first place. Then you have patients absconding from MH facilities that are under a Section but have been allowed outside for a smoke but ran off as the staff watched because they cant/won't run after them. Just call 999 and get the old bill to sort it. Threat to that persons life so put the burglary reports on hold and go and mop up someone elses s
t. People seen in A&E are probably under arrest. 'Safer detention' rules in custody means people go straight to A&E for something they would ordinarily see their GP for. Unwanted pressure on the NHS, bobbies out of action for hours a time. Last time I was at A&E there were more police cars than ambulances parked there.
The police won't say no as they're held to account far more than anyone else. It all rolls down hill and stops at the police station sadly. Friday afternoon calls from Social Services are always my favourite. Someone is at so much risk a social worker has called the police at half four on a Friday and swiftly left the office for the weekend, over to you. Thanks for that.
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