Three killed after being hit by a train in London.

Three killed after being hit by a train in London.

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James_B

12,642 posts

256 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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anonymous said:
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It is like demonstrating your individuality by smashing a window or keying a car.

There are some nice new houses near me that seem to be designed for young families in East London getting a foot onto the property ladder. The gable end had been covered top to bottom in graffiti. The people coming home will see, every day, that the house they are sweating to buy has been desecrated. It must be heartbreaking.

jules_s

4,237 posts

232 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4658959,-2.57434...

Not sure that will work.....but a really nicely detailed landmark gateway development

Absolutely covered now, I'll get a pic next time I pass.

Tbh, I did graffiti a bit when I was young, Always stty underway paths that needed brightening up. Painting somebody's house was never acceptable

Edit: Seems the tagging/graffiti had started even back then just after it was finished...the paint has spread somewhat



Edited by jules_s on Thursday 21st June 22:38


Edited by jules_s on Thursday 21st June 22:42

Resolutionary

1,253 posts

170 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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anonymous said:
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That's quite a reach. There is no gratification to be had in anonymously smashing windows or keying cars (or perhaps there is, but those acts are weird to me) - but if you imagine yourself going on a mission to paint a series of walls wherever you can get to them, and seeing them / having others see them in the days / weeks / months / years to come, there is a tangible sense of notoriety to be had - moreso when there is some level of artistic skill involved.

Hope this helps.

jules_s

4,237 posts

232 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Some great ones from around here:-

Before. bland white ste

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4389728,-2.60649...

After some clever graffiti



Makes me smile when I drive past every time tbh

Jazzy Jag

3,412 posts

90 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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jules_s said:
Some great ones from around here:-

Before. bland white ste

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4389728,-2.60649...

After some clever graffiti



Makes me smile when I drive past every time tbh
That's not graffiti, though, is it?
That's a mural that has been put on the wall, intentionally by the owner.

Not some tatty , unwanted tat done without the owner's consent.

jules_s

4,237 posts

232 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Jazzy Jag said:
That's not graffiti, though, is it?
That's a mural that has been put on the wall, intentionally by the owner.

Not some tatty , unwanted tat done without the owner's consent.
A valid point....however, I believe that artwork/graffiti/mural (hard to draw line between them isn't it?) was created by a person who used to use unpainted local public walls to showcase their artwork

Now. If that side of the house was left virgin white it would be covered in tags (I can guarantee you that) so we are now debating the quality of graffiti...which, as you may well agree, is a totally different ball game.

The above is a subject which was raised in the video linked earlier...it's worth a watch

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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poo at Paul's said:
jmorgan said:
Hope the driver is also getting help.
They'd be a bit ttish to make him wash the train on his own. wink
Ohh you are going to hell for that one rofl

Thanks most of the early posts in this thread have given me a good laugh - thanks fellas

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

135 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Tagging is just a variation of pissing on lamp posts for those without the necessary equipment.

Zero brains and talent required to do a scribble.

stty situation for the families and for everyone else who is having to deal with the fallout from this but getting yourself killed while engaged in low effort vandalism isn't going to generate much sympathy for the dead from me.

Resolutionary

1,253 posts

170 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Jazzy Jag said:
jules_s said:
Some great ones from around here:-

Before. bland white ste

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4389728,-2.60649...

After some clever graffiti



Makes me smile when I drive past every time tbh
That's not graffiti, though, is it?
That's a mural that has been put on the wall, intentionally by the owner.

Not some tatty , unwanted tat done without the owner's consent.
Are you just willfully ignoring the two prominent tags at top left? 'Boe' and 'Irony', which can be seen around Bristol in much less illustrious forms than the nice illustration here.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

99 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Resolutionary said:
anonymous said:
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I don't condemn that sort of vandalism at all. And I surely don't have the money to pay for a different type of paint to cover the wagons more uniformly.

If you go to Europe, America, Canada, in fact pretty much anywhere that freight trains run, you'll see significant fractions of the wagons are covered in spray paint. It's been going on for literally decades, and when you consider that a freight train will probably cover a significant distance, that's a pretty solid way for a graffiti artist to get their name out in the world among contemporaries and the general public (some of whom will and won't 'get it').
It is, but they're doing it at someone else's considerable expense, which is not cool. Hanson Cement, in this case, now have their name and brand covered over by either a) thoughtless vandals or b) well-intentioned up and coming artists misunderstood by the common man...

I just see that all as type a) and not at all as type b), and I suspect most others would agree with me. Someone with obvious skill and talent using spray cans to decorate or make an artistic piece is obvious, but just spraying your tag on anything and everything that doesn't belong to you, not cool.

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Jonesy23 said:
Tagging is just a variation of pissing on lamp posts for those without the necessary equipment.
Except it's much more difficult to clean up and youre never quite sure youve got rid of it altogether
Someone else said theres a difference between a mural and this

Resolutionary

1,253 posts

170 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Shakermaker said:
Resolutionary said:
anonymous said:
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I don't condemn that sort of vandalism at all. And I surely don't have the money to pay for a different type of paint to cover the wagons more uniformly.

If you go to Europe, America, Canada, in fact pretty much anywhere that freight trains run, you'll see significant fractions of the wagons are covered in spray paint. It's been going on for literally decades, and when you consider that a freight train will probably cover a significant distance, that's a pretty solid way for a graffiti artist to get their name out in the world among contemporaries and the general public (some of whom will and won't 'get it').
It is, but they're doing it at someone else's considerable expense, which is not cool. Hanson Cement, in this case, now have their name and brand covered over by either a) thoughtless vandals or b) well-intentioned up and coming artists misunderstood by the common man...

I just see that all as type a) and not at all as type b), and I suspect most others would agree with me. Someone with obvious skill and talent using spray cans to decorate or make an artistic piece is obvious, but just spraying your tag on anything and everything that doesn't belong to you, not cool.
I totally appreciate that. At the end of the day, anything that is vandalised (whether by a tag or mural or talented artist or Banksy) is at the expense of someone. There are photos from the mid-70's of entire freight trains covered from top to bottom with spray paint so this is certainly not a new phenomenon. Arguably the culture surrounding graffiti has grown into a multi-faceted sector of its own - so debating this for as many pages as we have, with a very staunch 'fk 'em' attitude shown by some, is largely irrelevant in the grand scheme (although debate in any case is always interesting, and I hope other posters don't take my viewpoints to mean that I'm a one man crimewave about to spray paint your dog and smash all your windows).

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

99 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Resolutionary said:
I totally appreciate that. At the end of the day, anything that is vandalised (whether by a tag or mural or talented artist or Banksy) is at the expense of someone. There are photos from the mid-70's of entire freight trains covered from top to bottom with spray paint so this is certainly not a new phenomenon. Arguably the culture surrounding graffiti has grown into a multi-faceted sector of its own - so debating this for as many pages as we have, with a very staunch 'fk 'em' attitude shown by some, is largely irrelevant in the grand scheme (although debate in any case is always interesting, and I hope other posters don't take my viewpoints to mean that I'm a one man crimewave about to spray paint your dog and smash all your windows).
No, I don't think you've come across that way at all. Like you, I can appreciate a well done piece of spray art, and I think that in some places there has likely been a benefit that is hard to recognise directly - you walk around Brighton and see some excellent murals, but they've got almost tacit approval if not outright permission for them. But a spray painted tag, just takes away, and from everything we've seen on the news and elsewhere in this thread, that is all that was being done by those killed the other day

But if you tie my dog to another dog and spray paint that...?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Resolutionary said:
I don't 'enjoy' vandalism in the sense that I get off on it, but as a subculture that exists (like it or not) I am happy - and I am happy knowing it'll continue to be a thing for a lot longer than we'll all be around.
So when the little sts spray the side of your house or car you'll be in favour? I'll get the cans.

Resolutionary

1,253 posts

170 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
Resolutionary said:
I don't 'enjoy' vandalism in the sense that I get off on it, but as a subculture that exists (like it or not) I am happy - and I am happy knowing it'll continue to be a thing for a lot longer than we'll all be around.
So when the little sts spray the side of your house or car you'll be in favour? I'll get the cans.
If they do a good job..

Seriously though thats a weak argument about a pretty non-existent scenario.

Shakermaker said:
No, I don't think you've come across that way at all. Like you, I can appreciate a well done piece of spray art, and I think that in some places there has likely been a benefit that is hard to recognise directly - you walk around Brighton and see some excellent murals, but they've got almost tacit approval if not outright permission for them. But a spray painted tag, just takes away, and from everything we've seen on the news and elsewhere in this thread, that is all that was being done by those killed the other day

But if you tie my dog to another dog and spray paint that...?
Hah sounds like the start of something there Shakemaker. I'll pop down the kennel later today!

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Resolutionary said:
thats a weak argument about a pretty non-existent scenario.
The argument is that you like it but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't if it was done to you.

Three vandals are now splattered all over the place as a pretty direct consequence of their vandalism. No loss.

Apart from the cleanup expense & feelings of the driver I wouldn't care if it happened regularly. To quote someone earlier, fck 'em.

TriumphStag3.0V8

3,794 posts

80 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Well, whilst I don't wish death or harm on anyone, I for one will not shed any tears for vandals trespassing and ending up bring killed due to their own stupidity.

Artwork my arse. Can't believe people are defending these scroates. Up and coming artists, great, go to a fu**ing art class, don't graffiti public property with your st tags.

As per normal the Facebook brigade are out with what a terrible tragedy it is and how we must remember them by tagging more st around the place in their name.

Resolutionary

1,253 posts

170 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
The argument is that you like it but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't if it was done to you.
I don't live on a train track, in a freight wagon, or in an underpass. Seriously are you telling me that you see lots of residential homes and the like sprayed with graffiti? I have a feeling this straw man is about to blow away.

Resolutionary

1,253 posts

170 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Artwork my arse. Can't believe people are defending these scroates. Up and coming artists, great, go to a fu**ing art class, don't graffiti public property with your st tags.
One of the trio attended Hampstead Fine Arts College. Why is this so discussion binary for so many?!

Cotty

39,391 posts

283 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Resolutionary said:
Rovinghawk said:
The argument is that you like it but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't if it was done to you.
I don't live on a train track, in a freight wagon, or in an underpass. Seriously are you telling me that you see lots of residential homes and the like sprayed with graffiti? I have a feeling this straw man is about to blow away.
The only residential homes I see targeted by graffiti back onto rail tracks. However I am sure they would prefer if they did not have graffiti on their home.