The new US-Mexico border migrant policy.

[esxste]

mko9 said:

What do you expect detention to look like? How do you propose the US govenrnment look after them and keep track of them?

Quite simply, I don't expect children to be detained by the state.

[Hosenbugler]

PRTVR said:

RobDickinson said:

philv said:

The second tney cross tne boarder they are breaking US law.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-05-01/how-does-seeking-asylum-work-us-border

"“The one thing that has to be clear is that these people are not openly defying our border. They are not breaking the law,” she says. “In fact they're doing it the right way. They're doing it the way that the law permits to seek asylum like any other refugee in the world."

One subject I have little knowledge of but doesn't it work by the first safe country from your home country, not keep going till you get to the country of your choice ?

Thats how it is as far as I know. Most people think that the illegals are all Mexicans , and indeed about half are, the other half are from all over the place, Central/South America , Phiipines , etc etc. I did read recently what the estimated number of illegals is in the US, cannot recall it off the cuff, but its shockingly high. Something is saying 5% of the entire population, unsure, but many millions.

[Derek Smith]

petemurphy said:

utterly sickening what is happening have no idea why decent Americans are not doing something about it

There was little reaction to habeas corpus being ignored in order to imprisoned foreigners brought into Guantanamo Bay from other countries. Detention without trial doesn't seem to bother them much.

[amusingduck]

esxste said:

mko9 said:

What do you expect detention to look like? How do you propose the US govenrnment look after them and keep track of them?

Quite simply, I don't expect children to be detained by the state.

How does that work?

[telecat]

I gather the situation is pretty much the same now as when Obama was in charge. The difference now being that those who thought Obama was the promised land didn't bring this up.

Edited by telecat on Wednesday 20th June 10:54

[Shakermaker]

mko9 said:

What do you expect detention to look like? How do you propose the US govenrnment look after them and keep track of them?

How about by putting them in a detention centre with their parents whilst their claim for asylum is processed, rather than putting their parents in a federal prison?

Not put the children in cages

And, since they don't seem to be going with that plan, then it really ought to be a minimum that when they are forcibly separating parents and children, they perhaps fill out some paperwork - Americans LOVE paperwork - which documents who each child is, who their parents are, where their parents are going etc?

But that's not a good system either, because you're still separating the parents and children

[valiant]

PRTVR said:

One subject I have little knowledge of but doesn't it work by the first safe country from your home country, not keep going till you get to the country of your choice ?

For many coming up from Central/South America, the US is the first safe country they’ve come across.

[HD Adam]

This law & procedure was brought in under Bill Clinton and continued through the Obama Presidency.

Nothing has changed regarding this under Trump apart from a lot more virtue signalling.

[Challo]

HD Adam said:

This law & procedure was brought in under Bill Clinton and continued through the Obama Presidency.

Nothing has changed regarding this under Trump apart from a lot more virtue signalling.

Yes it has changed. The Trump administration changed the policy on how they are treated once they have crossed the border. Previously they where treated as a misdemeanor and then regarding to turn up in court at a later date. Now they are arrested, and held until they can be seen by a judge. This means that children cannot be held with their parents who are in jail and have to go to a detention centre.

The law remains the same, its the policy that has changed and cause children to be taken away from their parents.

[rxe]

Shakermaker said:

How about by putting them in a detention centre with their parents whilst their claim for asylum is processed, rather than putting their parents in a federal prison?

Not put the children in cages

And, since they don't seem to be going with that plan, then it really ought to be a minimum that when they are forcibly separating parents and children, they perhaps fill out some paperwork - Americans LOVE paperwork - which documents who each child is, who their parents are, where their parents are going etc?

But that's not a good system either, because you're still separating the parents and children

How do you know that the adults the children are with are their parents?

What do you do with the children that are on their own?

It has the potential for disaster whatever they do. If they were all banged up in one facility there would be bloodcurdling stories about kids being molested by other kid's "parents".

[Biker 1]

Challo said:

The law remains the same, its the policy that has changed and cause children to be taken away from their parents.

Perhaps they shouldn't try to cross the border in the first place?? Just a thought.........

[skyrover]

Not entirely sure what the alternative is...

Release them and they "dissappear"

[PRTVR]

Biker 1 said:

Challo said:

The law remains the same, its the policy that has changed and cause children to be taken away from their parents.

Perhaps they shouldn't try to cross the border in the first place?? Just a thought.........

I think that is the point, if people see it as unacceptable perhaps they will not cross the border.

[Shakermaker]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4455025...

What a sensible choice it was for her to go to Mexican Restaurant...

[LaurasOtherHalf]

You can berate illegal immigrants all you like, point out the failings in policy, prove they're in the wrong until the cows come home.

But if you've ever had kids and heard these infants crying and begging for their parents who can't come and it doesn't brake your heart there's something wrong with you.

Pulling a child away from their parents and putting them in a cage is fking insane. Anyone who can't see that is probably fking insane as well. Either that or a .

"Don't cross the border then" or "Oh so what else are they supposed to do with them?" can get away to fk as well. Hopefully more illegal immigrants will get into that cesspool in order to dilute the thinking that came up with this.

[KrissKross]

petemurphy said:

utterly sickening what is happening have no idea why decent Americans are not doing something about it

Like what, giving up spare bedrooms?

[Timmy45]

PRTVR said:

Biker 1 said:

Challo said:

The law remains the same, its the policy that has changed and cause children to be taken away from their parents.

Perhaps they shouldn't try to cross the border in the first place?? Just a thought.........

I think that is the point, if people see it as unacceptable perhaps they will not cross the border.

Accepting that, and accepting that they shouldn't have chosen to do it as adults. The fact remains that children as young as 4 being separated from their parents are being punished for a 'choice' they do not have the faculties to make. The adults AND their children should be housed in appropriate accommodation until they are either returned to Mexico or allowed to stay. It is surely not beyond the resources of the mighty USA to do this.

What is wrong here is the appalling treatment of young children.

Edited by Timmy45 on Wednesday 20th June 16:30

[anonymous-user]

Wow I knew there were some empathy lacking people on here, but any of you defending taking kids away from their parents and locking them up need to have a look at yourselves.

[telecat]

El stovey said:

Wow I knew there were some empathy lacking people on here, but any of you defending taking kids away from their parents and locking them up need to have a look at yourselves.

If you are that concerned then look at the whole US justice system. Kids are removed from parents who end up in jail as a matter of routine. That's been going on for years under Obama and the Clinton's as well as the Bush family etc. Personally I don't like it but that's the way they work it and it's hypocritical of the "liberals" to say anything else.

[anonymous-user]

I am sadly not surprised by the callous lack of humanity on display in this thread. N,P&E can sometimes be a cesspit of the worst of humanity, and it too often is. Those who think that all of this is no big deal should tune in to some across the board coverage from serious US TV news channels. Hell, even Walmart are condemning what is happening.

Meanwhile our own dear prime Minister, always focused on the big stuff, is too worried about possible cheating by some Aussies in a cricket match to say anything about the US.