Settled status?

[Eric Mc]

JagLover said:

croyde said:

Goes live today. Already confusion.

Nice little earner for Theresa. 3.5 million x £65.

Actually makes me feel sad and ashamed to be British.

It makes you "sad and ashamed" that people are required to prove they are entitled to settled status, with all that this entails?

Sad and ashamed that a person who already had a right no longer does so - unless they start jumping through bureaucratic hopes perhaps?

That would be my guess.

[Jinx]

Eric Mc said:

Sad and ashamed that a person who already had a right no longer does so - unless they start jumping through bureaucratic hopes perhaps?

That would be my guess.

Rights are not really "rights" at anytime though (handy "Right of conquest" no longer seems to be in vogue ). They have always been social contracts and would be better listed as privileges with attendant duties.

[Murph7355]

Eric Mc said:

JagLover said:

croyde said:

Goes live today. Already confusion.

Nice little earner for Theresa. 3.5 million x £65.

Actually makes me feel sad and ashamed to be British.

It makes you "sad and ashamed" that people are required to prove they are entitled to settled status, with all that this entails?

Sad and ashamed that a person who already had a right no longer does so - unless they start jumping through bureaucratic hopes perhaps?

That would be my guess.

If this is all people have to feel sad and ashamed about then life's not that bad.

£65 probably barely covers the admin cost. And once done, it's done.

Of all the things to moan about ref Brexit, this is near the bottom.

[alfie2244]

Murph7355 said:

If this is all people have to feel sad and ashamed about then life's not that bad.

£65 probably barely covers the admin cost. And once done, it's done.

Of all the things to moan about ref Brexit, this is near the bottom.

What does it cost for a UK citizen to do the same in EU countries?

[Murph7355]

alfie2244 said:

Murph7355 said:

If this is all people have to feel sad and ashamed about then life's not that bad.

£65 probably barely covers the admin cost. And once done, it's done.

Of all the things to moan about ref Brexit, this is near the bottom.

What does it cost for a UK citizen to do the same in EU countries?

tbh Alfie I don't much care, so cba to look it up

If we accept that FoM is not considered desirable for the UK (perhaps arguable by the most ardent remainers, but generally accepted. Here and in ~170 other countries around the world) then a degree of admin is to be expected. For EU citizens already here, keeping the amount as minimal as possible and merely covering the costs seems pragmatic and "fair".

But IMO, if people think they're being sleighted and don't think they should have to pay anything and they fall on the wrong side of the process, then I'm increasingly of the opinion that the controlled immigration policy is doing it's job.

[Mothersruin]

designforlife said:

spare a thought for me and my missus lol, her spouse visa is costing us £2000 and it only lasts 2 and a half years

£65 is a bargain.

Yours is a grand cheaper than ours was! We're on the second one now and the next one, indefinite leave to remain, is going to be even more it seems.

Are you including the NHS surcharge? We also went for the appointment system which got it sorted within a day for the second one - we didn't enjoy sitting about for three months with our thumbs up our arses without having a clue what was going on.

We're budgeting around £13-15k for the whole process of naturalising my wife of 10+ years - that then doesn't include the other financial elements of having the required liquid funds locked away for 6+ years.

[jimKRFC]

alfie2244 said:

What does it cost for a UK citizen to do the same in EU countries?

Think it's about 110Eur in Germany, but then 80Eur a time for extensions, for permission to reside. Valid for one or two years....

link https://visaguide.world/europe/germany-visa/reside...

Application Fees for Residence Permits
Whenever somebody applies for a long-term residence permit, the following fees are to be charged:

Settlement permit (generally)
Settlement permit for highly qualified persons – 200 Euros
Settlement permit for self-employment – 150 Euros
Settlement permit of different circumstances – 85 Euros
EU long-term residence permit – 85 Euros
Residence permit (generally)
Valid for up to 1 year – 50 Euros
Valid for more than 1 year- 60 Euros
Extension for up to 3 additional months – 15 Euros
Extension for more than 3 additional months – 30 Euros
Change of residence title, including its extension – 40 Euros
EU Blue Card
The initial application – 100 Euros
Extension for up to 3 months – 96 Euros
Extension for more than 3 months – 93 Euros
Turkish nationals – up to 28,8 Euros

makes £65 one off seem a bargain.

[alfie2244]

jimKRFC said:

makes £65 one off seem a bargain.

Indeed it does...thanks.

Cost me £75.50 for a passport.

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

jimKRFC said:

makes £65 one off seem a bargain.

Indeed it does...thanks.

Cost me £75.50 for a passport.

Was it blue?

[oyster]

JagLover said:

croyde said:

Goes live today. Already confusion.

Nice little earner for Theresa. 3.5 million x £65.

Actually makes me feel sad and ashamed to be British.

It makes you "sad and ashamed" that people are required to prove they are entitled to settled status, with all that this entails?

They're here now though. So what's changed?

[alfie2244]

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

jimKRFC said:

makes £65 one off seem a bargain.

Indeed it does...thanks.

Cost me £75.50 for a passport.

Was it blue?

Funny you should say that.....It now resides in a blue passport cover I bought from the RNLI

Not sure if relevant but the motif / wording on the front is identical to the passport except it states "European Community" rather than "European Union" that is on the passport itself??

[oyster]

Murph7355 said:

If we accept that FoM is not considered desirable for the UK (perhaps arguable by the most ardent remainers, but generally accepted.

Why should we accept this? Have you any evidence? Anything at all?


Incidentally I know of at least 2 leave voters who lament the loss of FoM.



Yet again we have an assumption that Brexit issues are black and white.

[harrycovert]

alfie2244 said:

Murph7355 said:

If this is all people have to feel sad and ashamed about then life's not that bad.

£65 probably barely covers the admin cost. And once done, it's done.

Of all the things to moan about ref Brexit, this is near the bottom.

What does it cost for a UK citizen to do the same in EU countries?

Free in France

[JagLover]

oyster said:

JagLover said:

croyde said:

Goes live today. Already confusion.

Nice little earner for Theresa. 3.5 million x £65.

Actually makes me feel sad and ashamed to be British.

It makes you "sad and ashamed" that people are required to prove they are entitled to settled status, with all that this entails?

They're here now though. So what's changed?

This is the process to go through

https://www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-fami...

HMRC said:

You can give your National Insurance number to allow an automated check of your residence based on tax and certain benefit records.

If this check is successful, you’ll not need to provide any documents as proof of residence. You’ll only need to provide documents if there is not enough data to confirm you’ve been here for 5 years in a row.

if there isn't a process how do we know if they have even stepped foot into the country before?, let alone are entitled to settled status here?.

I hope the posts of others who are going through a similar process for non-EU spouses, and the far larger costs involved, put this in its proper context.

[Sway]

Eric Mc said:

JagLover said:

croyde said:

Goes live today. Already confusion.

Nice little earner for Theresa. 3.5 million x £65.

Actually makes me feel sad and ashamed to be British.

It makes you "sad and ashamed" that people are required to prove they are entitled to settled status, with all that this entails?

Sad and ashamed that a person who already had a right no longer does so - unless they start jumping through bureaucratic hopes perhaps?

That would be my guess.

They do still have the right - the process is to formalise it to prevent any issue in future where it isn't automatically assumed.

The only criteria are that you can identify yourself (and therefore demonstrate your existing right), can show you have actually settled here, and don't have a major conviction (who are the only people 'losing the right').

[Sway]

croyde said:

The machinery to restrict immigration has always been in place despite being in the EU.

Just that the feck wits in charge never instigated it.

By implementing controls on the native population that were rejected by the majority.

[alfie2244]

harrycovert said:

alfie2244 said:

Murph7355 said:

If this is all people have to feel sad and ashamed about then life's not that bad.

£65 probably barely covers the admin cost. And once done, it's done.

Of all the things to moan about ref Brexit, this is near the bottom.

What does it cost for a UK citizen to do the same in EU countries?

Free in France

To get settled status?

[Atomic12C]

bhstewie said:

Who has faith in the government that they won't fk it up and we'll find ourselves with another Windrush in 10 years time?

That would be more down to the civil service won't it.
The government produce the legislation, rules, direction etc. but its down to the civil service, agencies, public services/authorities etc. to implement the intended goal.

[Sway]

Atomic12C said:

bhstewie said:

Who has faith in the government that they won't fk it up and we'll find ourselves with another Windrush in 10 years time?

That would be more down to the civil service won't it.
The government produce the legislation, rules, direction etc. but its down to the civil service, agencies, public services/authorities etc. to implement the intended goal.

Isn't this the whole point? To provide a time limited, advertised and simple process using absolutely minimal criteria to formalise status prior to any rules changes that could lead to difficulties in the future.

[Xaero]

JagLover said:

I hope the posts of others who are going through a similar process for non-EU spouses, and the far larger costs involved, put this in its proper context.

Another one here. First visa was around £1.5k, and involved us being apart for 6 months in separate countries, with our newborn staying with mum. We just missed the NHS surcharge on that one (it came in 2 months later, I had no idea until we talked to friends in similar circumstances). Quite a bit of money went to translation services as marriage/wife & sons birth certificate isn't in English, and you're not allowed to translate them yourself.

The renewal at the 2.5 year mark cost around £2k. Although a lot less stress involved in that one as we could just continue living as normal during the process and more of it could be done online.

The indefinite leave to return is next year for us. I'm not sure on costs, but £2-3k sounds about right.