Settled status?
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So as the above states people who came here 50nyears ago and are now being asked to prove they are a citizen....
If you have been here 50 years and never got a passport (I.e. a uk one or your home nation) I question how economically active you have been.
If it was £65 for an EU passport post brexit I would pay it. It's actually crazy we can't as EU citizens on an individual basis retain a passport if we pay. But we can't so that's that.
If you have been here 50 years and never got a passport (I.e. a uk one or your home nation) I question how economically active you have been.
If it was £65 for an EU passport post brexit I would pay it. It's actually crazy we can't as EU citizens on an individual basis retain a passport if we pay. But we can't so that's that.
Lord Marylebone said:
Discussing the £65 is missing the point.
I was listening to the radio yesterday, and they were interviewing retired NHS nurses, teachers, people like that, who had come here 50 years ago as teenagers with their parents from places like Germany, and worked all their lives for the NHS,
What station?I was listening to the radio yesterday, and they were interviewing retired NHS nurses, teachers, people like that, who had come here 50 years ago as teenagers with their parents from places like Germany, and worked all their lives for the NHS,
"They should have already applied for citizenship" - That's a complicated and significantly more expensive process not helped by the Home Office. Also, for many, until the last decade, it could cause complications in the country of birth (not allowing dual citizenship and consequences for inheritance).
"The process is easy" - It's not too complicated for someone who isn't a slightly unusual case. Even then, the information on the government websites is difficult to follow. I've read it (I'm British, well educated and used to dealing with complex problems) and I don't find it easy.
"All done via your smart phone" - A lot of people came from EU countries to the UK decades ago, before we even joined the Common Market. They have worked, paid taxes and NI and receive the UK state pension. A lot of 70 plussers are not too good with smart phones. Apart from that, if they didn't need to do all this in 1969, why do they have to do it in 2019? Most of these people received the right of 'permanent residence' when or very shortly after they arrived in the UK. It seems that 'permanent' doesn't mean permanent for the Home Office, an organisation that forgets or fails to accept their own documents. Also, the right is lost if you pass a period of more than 2 years outside the UK. Fair enough, except the onus is on the individual to prove, not the Home Office. A woman who took a few years off work to take care of her children in the 1970s or 1980s hopefully kept all her old bank statements and utility bills - of course not many did. At least, for people to whom the Dept of Pensions and Social Security pays an old age pension, cannot the Home Office give them settled status without an application?
"The Home Office is helpful" - In the last year, many people who have applied for permanent residence (or to have their existing 'permanent' residence confirmed) have run into a lot of bureaucratic blocks. If they sent in a photo the same as on their passport and the passport is few months old, the application is rejected because the photo is too old. Get a credit card number or bank number wrong, same result. This is in spite of the fact that it would be easier and cheaper for the Home Office to contact the individual and ask them to correct the error. My feeling is that Home Office staff are not encouraged to be helpful. Incidentally, at present permanent residence isn't a necessity (though probably a wise precaution) for EU citizens, but the rules are, at least nominally, identical to those for settled status.
I am very much afraid that a new, even bigger and more horrible WIndrush may be just around the corner.
"The process is easy" - It's not too complicated for someone who isn't a slightly unusual case. Even then, the information on the government websites is difficult to follow. I've read it (I'm British, well educated and used to dealing with complex problems) and I don't find it easy.
"All done via your smart phone" - A lot of people came from EU countries to the UK decades ago, before we even joined the Common Market. They have worked, paid taxes and NI and receive the UK state pension. A lot of 70 plussers are not too good with smart phones. Apart from that, if they didn't need to do all this in 1969, why do they have to do it in 2019? Most of these people received the right of 'permanent residence' when or very shortly after they arrived in the UK. It seems that 'permanent' doesn't mean permanent for the Home Office, an organisation that forgets or fails to accept their own documents. Also, the right is lost if you pass a period of more than 2 years outside the UK. Fair enough, except the onus is on the individual to prove, not the Home Office. A woman who took a few years off work to take care of her children in the 1970s or 1980s hopefully kept all her old bank statements and utility bills - of course not many did. At least, for people to whom the Dept of Pensions and Social Security pays an old age pension, cannot the Home Office give them settled status without an application?
"The Home Office is helpful" - In the last year, many people who have applied for permanent residence (or to have their existing 'permanent' residence confirmed) have run into a lot of bureaucratic blocks. If they sent in a photo the same as on their passport and the passport is few months old, the application is rejected because the photo is too old. Get a credit card number or bank number wrong, same result. This is in spite of the fact that it would be easier and cheaper for the Home Office to contact the individual and ask them to correct the error. My feeling is that Home Office staff are not encouraged to be helpful. Incidentally, at present permanent residence isn't a necessity (though probably a wise precaution) for EU citizens, but the rules are, at least nominally, identical to those for settled status.
I am very much afraid that a new, even bigger and more horrible WIndrush may be just around the corner.
Peter3442 said:
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I am very much afraid that a new, even bigger and more horrible WIndrush may be just around the corner.
Not a chance. Nobody can clam they weren't aware of the rules on this. And it's now free to do it.I am very much afraid that a new, even bigger and more horrible WIndrush may be just around the corner.
Anyone falling on the wrong side of this one and it's down to them.
People who've been here 50yrs my arse...some people must relish this sort of thing happening just so they can demonstrate how caring they are
amgmcqueen said:
oyster said:
Murph7355 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Good to see them doing the right thing.
Costing the taxpayer to sort out admin that the individual would have been very easily placed to deal with?Seriously...May is a feckin moron. This is just like the u-tuns the dozy bint did during the GE. Who on earth is she trying to appeal to?
Lord Marylebone said:
Discussing the £65 is missing the point.
We are talking about people who live here and consider it their permanent home. Their only home.
Just about the only country they have ever known in many cases.
I was listening to the radio yesterday, and they were interviewing retired NHS nurses, teachers, people like that, who had come here 50 years ago as teenagers with their parents from places like Germany, and worked all their lives for the NHS, and now all of a sudden they are being asked to fill in forms to be ‘allowed’ to stay in what both they, and I, consider to be their own country.
These people have been told for decades that this was their permanent home, and that they would never have to do anything specific in order to remain here. They would never have to seek permission.
I personally think the whole thing utterly reeks.
It doesn’t surprise me that this has happened under Theresa May’s leadership.
She was of course one of the main instigators of the ‘hostile environment’ and the ‘Go home’ vans during her time as Home Secretary.
Hard to win isn't it. Have to try & do something but easy to get it wrong. And things seem very obvious with hindsight like those vans but there was a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment at the time. We are talking about people who live here and consider it their permanent home. Their only home.
Just about the only country they have ever known in many cases.
I was listening to the radio yesterday, and they were interviewing retired NHS nurses, teachers, people like that, who had come here 50 years ago as teenagers with their parents from places like Germany, and worked all their lives for the NHS, and now all of a sudden they are being asked to fill in forms to be ‘allowed’ to stay in what both they, and I, consider to be their own country.
These people have been told for decades that this was their permanent home, and that they would never have to do anything specific in order to remain here. They would never have to seek permission.
I personally think the whole thing utterly reeks.
It doesn’t surprise me that this has happened under Theresa May’s leadership.
She was of course one of the main instigators of the ‘hostile environment’ and the ‘Go home’ vans during her time as Home Secretary.
I don't think £65 is unreasonable personally and the way citizens are treated in the UK is pretty exemplary compared to most of the rest of the world, these people have lived under a cloud for the last few years (don't forget the buildup to the ref too) and to find out they are good to stay for £65, you'd think that would be a relief rather than something to get angry about. And in this country in this day & age anyone can afford £65.
To my understanding, the requirements for settled status are exactly the same as the existing ones for permanent residence. The only difference is the application is 'streamlined' and the checks by the Home Office are less thorough.
So why waste time and effort of the individual and of the Home Office in making people with permanent residence apply for settled status?
The only explanation that I can think of is that the Home Office have lost their records.
So why waste time and effort of the individual and of the Home Office in making people with permanent residence apply for settled status?
The only explanation that I can think of is that the Home Office have lost their records.
Gecko1978 said:
So as the above states people who came here 50nyears ago and are now being asked to prove they are a citizen....
If you have been here 50 years and never got a passport (I.e. a uk one or your home nation) I question how economically active you have been.
If it was £65 for an EU passport post brexit I would pay it. It's actually crazy we can't as EU citizens on an individual basis retain a passport if we pay. But we can't so that's that.
These people will almost certainly have a passport from their original country. They still need to get settled status.If you have been here 50 years and never got a passport (I.e. a uk one or your home nation) I question how economically active you have been.
If it was £65 for an EU passport post brexit I would pay it. It's actually crazy we can't as EU citizens on an individual basis retain a passport if we pay. But we can't so that's that.
The £65 gives you settled status it does not give you a UK passport. That’s another £1,350.
Murph7355 said:
Not a chance. Nobody can clam they weren't aware of the rules on this. And it's now free to do it.
Anyone falling on the wrong side of this one and it's down to them.
People who've been here 50yrs my arse...some people must relish this sort of thing happening just so they can demonstrate how caring they are
How can people have been aware of the rules for settled status? The rules where announced a few days ago.Anyone falling on the wrong side of this one and it's down to them.
People who've been here 50yrs my arse...some people must relish this sort of thing happening just so they can demonstrate how caring they are
Before this the rules where as an EU citizen exercising a treaty right you required NO documentation to remain in the UK.
Mrr T said:
How can people have been aware of the rules for settled status? The rules where announced a few days ago.
Before this the rules where as an EU citizen exercising a treaty right you required NO documentation to remain in the UK.
The UK has been clear for many months on how EU citizens will be impacted/treated. Before this the rules where as an EU citizen exercising a treaty right you required NO documentation to remain in the UK.
Your approach on the whole topic of Brexit is chicken licken to the max. I appreciate you have skin in the game on this particular topic, but this has been a non-issue for ages. As is £ 65.
amgmcqueen said:
oyster said:
Murph7355 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Good to see them doing the right thing.
Costing the taxpayer to sort out admin that the individual would have been very easily placed to deal with?Seriously...May is a feckin moron. This is just like the u-tuns the dozy bint did during the GE. Who on earth is she trying to appeal to?
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