45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)
Discussion
oilbethere said:
I'd agree, in a lot of schools today the white working class are being left behind, these are people you would assume come from Left leaning backgrounds?
When the power shift moves fully over to the East I can see it ending in war.
Why would that power shift? Real wars now are in econimics, though I can see proxy wars for energy in the middle east/aghan area, all that oil/gas. By East do you mean China/India?When the power shift moves fully over to the East I can see it ending in war.
Interesting to see how much loved Fox News has handled news about Trump over the last few days.
They’ve buried it. By which I mean they have fixated on and led with the duck boating deaths story, every day, and then had as second story some nonsense. You had to hunt really hard even to find a by line story about Trump inviting Putin to Washington. I guess that’s as good an indication as any of how bad the s
t show is in DC right now - Fox won’t talk about it.
They’ve buried it. By which I mean they have fixated on and led with the duck boating deaths story, every day, and then had as second story some nonsense. You had to hunt really hard even to find a by line story about Trump inviting Putin to Washington. I guess that’s as good an indication as any of how bad the s
t show is in DC right now - Fox won’t talk about it. PWeston said:
Are you referring to James Gunn being sacked by Disney? I think advocating paedophilia in the manner he repeatedly did (if you read the tweets) should be taken seriously. I’ve not seen Trump advocate raping kids (but I could be wrong).
He made some sick jokes.Trump advocated sexual assault.
Bill said:
F1GTRUeno said:
If Putin is holding Trump to ransom and getting him to leave NATO then it absolutely isn't in the interest of western nations is it? Neither is it that he's having a trade war with the EU.
That's the end game. Divide US and Europe, split NATO up, have the west quarrelling whilst he swallows up the old soviet territories and gains more control over the world.
Oh and if he gets Trump to give him Bill Browder then the Magnitsky act is toast, Browder is dead and Putin gets an awful lot of money back which means any potential mistrust by the oligarchs he controls goes away and cements his power further.
This. Trump is pissing off his allies (the ones with decent economies who want to work with the US) and competitors with growing economies (China) to side with a dictator who presides over a tiddly (relatively) barely functional state.That's the end game. Divide US and Europe, split NATO up, have the west quarrelling whilst he swallows up the old soviet territories and gains more control over the world.
Oh and if he gets Trump to give him Bill Browder then the Magnitsky act is toast, Browder is dead and Putin gets an awful lot of money back which means any potential mistrust by the oligarchs he controls goes away and cements his power further.
Why would he do that? And how does that benefit the US?
There are a couple of geo-political issues at play here and go back to parts of Bannons strategy which was laid out and also things that have transpired since.
The first main issue is the easier one out of the two.
Trump won’t say this publically but the USA is turning into a military state, it simply cannot afford to keep spending 12-14.5% (by some measurements) of it’s income on military spending. Politically Trump can not find a way of reducing this spend without a) dealing with NATO i.e getting the social-democratic countries
to realise that they need to spend less on their welfare bills and more on military hardware b) getting Putin around the table to agree a renewal of very old declarations (going back to Gorby days) of nuclear stockpile and general military reduction. The clock is ticking on these agreements and Trump sees a window of opportunity now to get a deal done.
The democrats see this strategy and are countering it with phoney arguments in order to tie trumps hands on the matter. Trump wants to spend the saved money on infrastructure and tax cuts.
The second thing that is at play here is the previously disscused narrative that without the petro-dollar, the USA is essentially broke.
If you look back, most of the disquiet on the U.S side started when China launched its own rival to the petro-dollar. e.g you could buy oil and gas contracts on the global market using Yuan instead of U.S dollars.
The americans moved swiftly to shore up base support for the petrodollar by negotiating with the Saudis. This was Confusing to joe public but essential to the continuation of the USA as we know it.
As the Saudi/USA partnership got renewed and the Aramco deal parked to stop the Chinese getting hold of it, they turned their attentions to Iran whom had already started selling their oil via China using Yuan and we know what happened to Iran shortly after.
That then leaves the sticky mattter of the remaining gas, oil exporters such as Russia and dealing with the Chinese themselves whom threaten the USAs very existence not via plastic kids toys but via threatening to shift the world away from the U.S dollar.
The main issue for example, regarding the Germans buying Gas from Russia is not that it’s from Russia per se, it’s the fact that they need to be buying the gas in U.S dollars, just like good old blighty buys gas from Qatar using U.S dollars.
This potential global shift has the U.S spooked and it’s gonna be a fun watch to see how this all plays out. Just to clarify though, it is the U.S government which is spooked on this petrodollar issue - Trump is just playing his out of control card because it’s the role he knows how to best play.
Make no mistake if Clinton was in the white house these two big issues would still need to be played out as there are bigger things at stake right now than just party politics in Washington.
Halb said:
PWeston said:
Are you referring to James Gunn being sacked by Disney? I think advocating paedophilia in the manner he repeatedly did (if you read the tweets) should be taken seriously. I’ve not seen Trump advocate raping kids (but I could be wrong).
He made some sick jokes.Trump advocated sexual assault.
Apparently the point of sanctions on Russian companies is to not impact them in any way:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KA2...
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KA2...
Lentilist said:
He clearly only likes dawn raids when it's the ICE doing them.
Given his threats against Comey regarding taped conversations, it would be rather delicious if tapes of him and Cohen aid his ultimate downfall.
You do know it is most likely Trump and his team who leaked knowledge of these tapes to the New York Times?Given his threats against Comey regarding taped conversations, it would be rather delicious if tapes of him and Cohen aid his ultimate downfall.
Edited for link idiocy
Edited by Lentilist on Saturday 21st July 14:33
Apparently, this information was part of the fairly small number of Cohen's files that were deemed to fall under "client privilege" and therefore could not be disclosed by Mueller. The only legitimate source had to be Trump.
Halb said:
PWeston said:
Are you referring to James Gunn being sacked by Disney? I think advocating paedophilia in the manner he repeatedly did (if you read the tweets) should be taken seriously. I’ve not seen Trump advocate raping kids (but I could be wrong).
He made some sick jokes.Trump advocated sexual assault.
Trump crudely boasted that certain types of women are sexually receptive to wealthy powerful men. “...grab them by the pussy...when you’re a star they LET you do it.” In poor taste yes but rape/assault is not suggested, no matter how much people love to be outraged by it.
PWeston said:
Jokes? He isn’t some “edgy” comedian. Have you actually read the tweets in question? If you don’t find them seriously disturbing I’d be questioning your own moral compass.
Trump crudely boasted that certain types of women are sexually receptive to wealthy powerful men. “...grab them by the pussy...when you’re a star they LET you do it.” In poor taste yes but rape/assault is not suggested, no matter how much people love to be outraged by it.
Grabbing someone by the pussy is assault.Trump crudely boasted that certain types of women are sexually receptive to wealthy powerful men. “...grab them by the pussy...when you’re a star they LET you do it.” In poor taste yes but rape/assault is not suggested, no matter how much people love to be outraged by it.
Grab your friends wife by the pussy and see how that faux outrages feels when their husband finds out.
The defence of they let you doesn't work because he does it first and finds out later if they wanted him to. If they like it, fine. If they don't (fairly high chance) then it is sexual assaults clean and clear. No ifs buts or maybes.
It is a dangerous game of assault you play if you do like a little pussy grab or two. Seems he has a few women saying he did assault them. He thinks they all want it so they are called liers.
Edited by Tampon on Saturday 21st July 16:11
PWeston said:
Jokes? He isn’t some “edgy” comedian. Have you actually read the tweets in question? If you don’t find them seriously disturbing I’d be questioning your own moral compass.
Trump crudely boasted that certain types of women are sexually receptive to wealthy powerful men. “...grab them by the pussy...when you’re a star they LET you do it.” In poor taste yes but rape/assault is not suggested, no matter how much people love to be outraged by it.
People make jokes to mates on twitter, it's a thing, it's what he did, to a mate.Trump crudely boasted that certain types of women are sexually receptive to wealthy powerful men. “...grab them by the pussy...when you’re a star they LET you do it.” In poor taste yes but rape/assault is not suggested, no matter how much people love to be outraged by it.
Trump boasted he could do as he liked, grabbing women by the genitalia, that's sexual assault, HTH.
ANyone who doesn't understand that, is a serious creep and laughable to admonish others on moral compass. HTH too.
Tampon said:
Grabbing someone by the pussy is assault.
Grab your friends wife by the pussy and see how that faux outrages feels when their husband finds out.
The defence of they let you doesn't work because he does it first and finds out later if they wanted him to. If they like it, fine. If they don't (fairly high chance) then it is sexual assaults clean and clear. No ifs buts or maybes.
It is a dangerous game of assault you play if you do like a little pussy grab or two. Seems he has a few women saying he did assault them. He thinks they all want it so they are called liers.
Pretty bizarre (vile) that someone wouldn't know this!Grab your friends wife by the pussy and see how that faux outrages feels when their husband finds out.
The defence of they let you doesn't work because he does it first and finds out later if they wanted him to. If they like it, fine. If they don't (fairly high chance) then it is sexual assaults clean and clear. No ifs buts or maybes.
It is a dangerous game of assault you play if you do like a little pussy grab or two. Seems he has a few women saying he did assault them. He thinks they all want it so they are called liers.
Edited by Tampon on Saturday 21st July 16:11
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