45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

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bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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p1stonhead said:
That’s a fair position to take and no one blames people for feeling that way. But how is voting for a billionaire who literally lives in a gilded tower going to help?

This is the mental point. He is so transparent in his self interest that I don’t know how anyone voted for him other than those who are the clear bigots etc. Anyone who wanted economic prosperity back? Two seconds research should have pit stop to them voting for Trump.
He wasn't Hilary.

Let's assume everything you said above is true, people still couldn't bring themselves to vote for the alternative.

avinalarf

6,438 posts

141 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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PWeston said:
I still fail to understand your insinuation that President Trump encourages people to blame blacks for their misfortunes. I find the whole racism narrative pushed by the media (which you’ve seemingly fallen for) with regard to Trump being supposedly anti-black frustratingly lacking in any evidence. Please produce evidence Trump is anti-black.

Overall I really have no idea what your point is. Who is Trump scapegoating who you think is in danger of resorting to “violence and extremes”?
I think you are missing my point, either that or I have not argued my case succinctly.
In order to gain the Presidency, Trump has resorted to " dog whistle " politics and in doing so has aligned himself with some extreme right wing bedfellows.
This strategy has allowed extremists to crawl out of the closet as their extreme views are being encouraged and legitimised.
There are moderate nuggets of facts in the statements he makes regarding immigration, crime, unfair trade competition etc. however these facts are much more nuanced than Trump would have it.
Trump and other populist leaders would not have gained power if the political establishment had not ignored and patronised the concerns of a substantial minority of the electorate.
Regarding whether or not Trump has a particular problem with "Blacks" , not a term I particularly like or wish to use as I believe it is ridiculous to characterise people by the colour of their skin, but that's the terminology that modern parlance has agreed on, I know not but some of those that support him have.
I think it would be hard if not impossible to argue that black people have not often taken the brunt of extremist propaganda and violence in the USA over the past 200 years.
Had black people been embraced by their fellow citizens as normal human beings and not been enslaved and treated as a third class, sub human citizens because of the colour of their skins the USA and the World would be a much better place.
Apart from base prejudice I fail to understand how others cannot understand that in any community, tribe or race there will be good and bad people.
Recognise this as a fact, but do not demonise a whole sector of mankind because of that fact.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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In reality, I don't think Trump has any genuinely strong opinions about anything that don't relate directly to his own opinion of himself.

The stances he takes are purely about pushing his own personal popularity i.e. his ratings.

Whatever he thinks he needs to say to enhance his popularity with his "base" - that is the stance he will take.

avinalarf

6,438 posts

141 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Eric Mc said:
In reality, I don't think Trump has any genuinely strong opinions about anything that don't relate directly to his own opinion of himself.

The stances he takes are purely about pushing his own personal popularity i.e. his ratings.

Whatever he thinks he needs to say to enhance his popularity with his "base" - that is the stance he will take.
I mainly agree with that.
However he and other populist leaders are playing a very dangerous game.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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avinalarf said:
Eric Mc said:
In reality, I don't think Trump has any genuinely strong opinions about anything that don't relate directly to his own opinion of himself.

The stances he takes are purely about pushing his own personal popularity i.e. his ratings.

Whatever he thinks he needs to say to enhance his popularity with his "base" - that is the stance he will take.
I mainly agree with that.
However he and other populist leaders are playing a very dangerous game.
Absolutely. It's been my fear all along. Garnering votes by scaremongering and the singling out of some "others" for disapprobation can lead to dreadful consequences. Anyone who knows anything about history will be aware of that.

Challo

10,043 posts

154 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Do we know who is in Muellers team, as Donald keeps harping on about these 13 angry democrats.

Now he is claiming they just target republicans and leave the Dems.

Aren’t Mueller, Wray and Rosenstein all registered republicans?

avinalarf

6,438 posts

141 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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V6 Pushfit said:
Fake press clip
Anyway I don’t buy this racial issue, it’s a diversion like others although at least it helps to alienate some voters.
The main issue is the man is just not fit to be President. He’s incapable of complex thinking, can’t grasp cause and effect, has staggering vanity and absolutely no morals and is completely motivated by self benefit.
The man is an idiot moron and to a point it’s embarrassing to watch but bloody good entertainment.
Whether you buy it or not, do not dismiss it as not being an important factor in Trump's appeal to some of his supporters.
I find it difficult to believe that Trump does not realise and capitalise on this fact.
Racism is very much alive and kicking in our society and it is Worldwide.
It is often latent, lurking in the shadows only waiting for the right opportunity to rear its evil head.
Please take racism seriously as it is the basest form of human prejudice.

NRS

22,079 posts

200 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Bill said:
That doesn't really address what is good about Trump. For a start any failure to get things done is entirely down the Trump as the Republicans control both houses.

His "out of control card" may be the only one he knows, but it isn't achieving much.
Isn't there issues for blocking stuff based on not having the majority? Not sure how much it effects stuff. And I guess general "blocking" by the democrats in debates etc - as done by the Republicans under Obama.

Eric Mc said:
In reality, I don't think Trump has any genuinely strong opinions about anything that don't relate directly to his own opinion of himself.

The stances he takes are purely about pushing his own personal popularity i.e. his ratings.

Whatever he thinks he needs to say to enhance his popularity with his "base" - that is the stance he will take.
He probably does have some strong opinions, but cares about those views less than appearing a great strong president.

I reckon the trade war is something he believes in and is pushing. I wonder about the combination of the trade war and tax breaks. Put big tariffs on China etc. China has a far small number of goods they can place tariffs on in return. The US collects more tax due to the tariffs, but some people lose out due to the higher tariffs. They effectively get some money back due to the tax breaks (although there will always be some winners and losers overall). He also looks strong against other countries, and if China removes the "if you want to trade in our huge market then give us all your designs etc so we can steal them and copy them" then it's likely a pretty big win there. No idea how the actual numbers stack up overall though.

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Challo said:
Do we know who is in Muellers team, as Donald keeps harping on about these 13 angry democrats.

Now he is claiming they just target republicans and leave the Dems.

Aren’t Mueller, Wray and Rosenstein all registered republicans?
He thinks if he says it often enough then people will believe him, and to be fair most of his base does.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Trump's dad was a KKK sympathiser and/Or member.
Using America first as a slogan is no accident by trump.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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And we all know he is driven by the desire for approval from his dead dad.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Byker28i said:
Challo said:
Do we know who is in Muellers team, as Donald keeps harping on about these 13 angry democrats.

Now he is claiming they just target republicans and leave the Dems.

Aren’t Mueller, Wray and Rosenstein all registered republicans?
He thinks if he says it often enough then people will believe him, and to be fair most of his base does.
He may be right. After the past couple years, maybe they are now Democrats hehe

WestyCarl

3,217 posts

124 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Eric Mc said:
And we all know he is driven by the desire for approval from his dead dad.
and how exactly do we know that?

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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WestyCarl said:
Eric Mc said:
And we all know he is driven by the desire for approval from his dead dad.
and how exactly do we know that?
Unloving dads play a major part in the background many screwed up people.



Gameface

16,565 posts

76 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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vonuber said:
Trump's dad was a KKK sympathiser and/Or member.
Using America first as a slogan is no accident by trump.
Trumps various race issues, good and bad, listed here:-

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/every-moment...

For people to say it's a non issue, is clearly nonsense. It seems like a running theme.

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Bill said:
That doesn't really address what is good about Trump. For a start any failure to get things done is entirely down the Trump as the Republicans control both houses.

His "out of control card" may be the only one he knows, but it isn't achieving much.
My response was written specifically to answer the question regarding what Trump has to gain by ruffling feathers with NATO allies, not to address what is good about Trump.



rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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PWeston said:
Ok, there’s a bunch of news headlines with the Guardian at the top. I have read said article and it is hysterical drivel - it’s amazing people are taken in by such sophistry. Please tell me no PHer thinks this is worth forming your opinions from?!

The author’s “argument” seems to be that because Trump disapproves of mass migration into Europe and sees it as a threat to European culture that he is thus some terrible racist. Is that REALLY where the bar is for racism now?

As for linking me wikipedia...have a laugh on me.

Do you understand the difference between actual evidence vs some opinion piece or an editable wikipedia article?
You could try reading the reports linked to by the Wikipedia page. Or this PBS summary of Trump - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/every-moment... .


anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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minimoog said:
Trump looks like he is about to throw up.

He looks like a man who has just been given some awful news.

djc206

12,244 posts

124 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Lord Marylebone said:
Trump looks like he is about to throw up.

He looks like a man who has just been given some awful news.
Or a man who has just been told what is going to happen if he doesn’t toe the line.

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Trumps now saying the courts were corrupt because the issued the visa warrant against carter page.
You really couldn't make this up.
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