45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

[esxste]

desolate said:

It's not the lying about the sex but that's the problem is it?

For Trump, its going to be the everything that will be the problem.

My point was very specific; when comparing the campaign violation Cohen committed, and alleges Trump directed and conspired in, is less serious than that of perjury.

Bill did it under vaguely similar circumstances, and it didn't bring him down.

Trumps alleged to have done it in this case, and it would be naive to believe it would alone take Trump down.

[Seventy]

Countdown said:

One of the headlines said:

"For Trump, legal consequences unlikely whilst he holds office...."

And the important word in that headline is.......

[Countdown]

LHRFlightman said:

Here's how Fox reported the story.

That Unamerican bd!!!

she's hot!

[esxste]

Byker28i said:

I've lost track here, which case is over. The one from Avenatti, or the forthcoming charge that he fiddled his tax returns for his taxi business. I don't think that one has come yet?

My understanding is that Cohen struck a plea deal on the criminal charges, including the dodgy tax returns from the taxi medallions. It was found he'd not paid $1.3 million tax on them?

[Lazermilk]

Eric Mc said:

The country was founded through revolution. It endured a Civil War which had revolutionary underpinnings.

Personal freedom from the Federal Government runs through the country's DNA.

(Which makes those pro-Russian t-shirts look terribly ironic).

Also with regards to the immigration topic, I guess the only people who should be able to complain about this would be the native Americans

[captain_cynic]

LHRFlightman said:

Here's how Fox reported the story.

I was about to ask for some Fox News for "fairness and balance"

[Seventy]

Can Trump pardon Manafort?
I know he can as POTUS but could he afford to do it politically?
Just how would the American public react? - I'm not talking about his hardcore base as I believe nothing he could ever do would turn them against him.

[Byker28i]

esxste said:

Byker28i said:

I've lost track here, which case is over. The one from Avenatti, or the forthcoming charge that he fiddled his tax returns for his taxi business. I don't think that one has come yet?

My understanding is that Cohen struck a plea deal on the criminal charges, including the dodgy tax returns from the taxi medallions. It was found he'd not paid $1.3 million tax on them?

So the Avenatti trial about the NDA is still ongoing?

[roachcoach]

Seventy said:

Can Trump pardon Manafort?
I know he can as POTUS but could he afford to do it politically?
Just how would the American public react? - I'm not talking about his hardcore base as I believe nothing he could ever do would turn them against him.

My understanding is technically yes, however in doing so it removes the ability of the pardon recipient to plead the 5th, which could be devastating.

But the way things are going these days, there are no norms or rules any more.


Edit: Just read that

Cohens Lawyer speaking of Cohen said:

"He has flatly authorised me to say under no circumstances would he accept a pardon from Mr Trump, who uses the pardon power in a way that no president in American history has ever used," he said.

Wew, shots fired.

Edited by roachcoach on Wednesday 22 August 12:38

[esxste]

Byker28i said:

So the Avenatti trial about the NDA is still ongoing?

My understanding is that the Avenatti/Stormy Daniels stuff was on hold while Cohen's criminal case was resolved.

[Superflow]

desolate said:

What's Tony Blair got to do with Trump?

Is this what is called deflection?

Or are you suggesting that because of the Iraq war Trump gets a free pass?

I suspect you think it's ok as it "winds up lefties"

Perspective.He paid a couple of tarts off to keep quiet, is that it? Bill Clinton? Obama as shown? double standards...

I think some on here are going to be disappointed with the outcome.

[Zod]

Vanden Saab said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Because our trade with the US is about in balance we export roughly the same amount as we import while the EU exports far more to the US than it imports

The UK had a trade surplus with the US of £34 bn in 2017. That’s about half the level of our deficit with the EU. If one is material, so is the other.

[esxste]

roachcoach said:

Cohens Lawyer speaking of Cohen said:

"He has flatly authorised me to say under no circumstances would he accept a pardon from Mr Trump, who uses the pardon power in a way that no president in American history has ever used," he said.

Wew, shots fired.

Edited by roachcoach on Wednesday 22 August 12:38

So has Cohen really turned over a new leaf on this? If so, what the f**k did Trump do to prompt it?

[Lazermilk]

Byker28i said:

Eric Mc said:

Don't mind Byker - he posts so much so fast it's really easy to miss what he says at times. I've been pulled up by him for not picking out some details in one of his myriad posts. It happens to us all.

Having said all that, his posts are worth reading.

I thought we were disussing Airforce 2 when you provided lots of detailed, interesting information about air force one. Slight side tangent, but interesting...

Sorry about the numerous posts - early morning dumps are from the overnight data collection and I try to pick out the relevant stories that have occured.

Dont mind Eric, lets face it he posts a huge amount here also

I look forward to the early morning dumps (apt way of describing Trump news... ), Its a good way to get the round up of whats gone on so please continue.

[Byker28i]

Lets just list everything that happened yesterday

1. Cohen plead guilty to multiple counts of campaign finance violation, tax fraud and bank fraud and then went on to say that trump knew all about it, and the collusion with the russians and he wants to get a plea deal with Mueller it.

2. Manafort was found guilty on 8 counts (5 tax fraud, 2 substantive bank fraud, 1 FBAR count re 2012) and a mistrial on the other 10 counts (the other 4 FBARs, all the bank fraud conspiracy counts, and the other substantive bank fraud counts).

3. The court case against trumps former security and woman provider, Schiller, can go ahead. They are alleging that trump told Schiller to go beat them up.
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2018/08/21/p...

4. The Defamation case against Steele for the information in the dossier was dismissed
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45251255

5. Republican Duncan Hunter, one of trumps first endorsers, has been indicted for using campaign funds for personal use
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/duncan...



So much winning in another infrastructure week.

Did I miss anything in the summary?

[esxste]

Superflow said:

Perspective.He paid a couple of tarts off to keep quiet, is that it? Bill Clinton? Obama as shown? double standards...

I think some on here are going to be disappointed with the outcome.

Except paying off multiple women to keep quite about his indiscretions, then lying about it, is the least of Trumps alleged wrong doing.

Also, Could you source the story about Obama "paying off a couple of tarts"?

[Lazermilk]

LHRFlightman said:

Here's how Fox reported the story.

The bd!

[Seventy]

Superflow said:

I think some on here are going to be disappointed with the outcome.

I think you'll be first on the list.

[roachcoach]

esxste said:

roachcoach said:

Cohens Lawyer speaking of Cohen said:

"He has flatly authorised me to say under no circumstances would he accept a pardon from Mr Trump, who uses the pardon power in a way that no president in American history has ever used," he said.

Wew, shots fired.

Edited by roachcoach on Wednesday 22 August 12:38

So has Cohen really turned over a new leaf on this? If so, what the f**k did Trump do to prompt it?

Beats me, maybe he or his lawyer has information we do not. Maybe he's facing a raft of state level charges and it's all for PR. Either way, things are speeding up towards very interesting territory.

Damn this guy's skeletons must have skeletons in their closet, if he's truly gone what I'm going to term "full brutus" then I hope he's got some protection.

[Byker28i]

esxste said:

Superflow said:

Perspective.He paid a couple of tarts off to keep quiet, is that it? Bill Clinton? Obama as shown? double standards...

I think some on here are going to be disappointed with the outcome.

Except paying off multiple women to keep quite about his indiscretions, then lying about it, is the least of Trumps alleged wrong doing.

Also, Could you source the story about Obama "paying off a couple of tarts"?

He's not done very well at keeping them quiet though...
I think 'paying off a couple of tarts' as you put it, means you really don't understand the 'christian' leaning of some of the electorat

What it does is serve as another tremendous distraction for Republicans running for re-election and already facing tough political headwinds