45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

[MC Bodge]

RobDickinson said:

Its a massive political football because it decides on fundamental ideology like abortion rights.

Which in itself tells you a lot about their country....

Nobody mentions anything other.

[RobDickinson]

They moved up the votes. Committee tomorrow, floor vote Saturday.

Either they want to kill this and get someone else in or they have the votes to push it through Saturday

[ecurie]

A surprisingly reasonable article on Fox by Alan Dershowitz.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/27/alan-der...

[Byker28i]

Tallow said:

That devil's triangle answer was deeply unconvincing. He didn't even explain the rules properly!

Someones changed the wikipedia entry to match Kavanaugh's description - wonder if that was a GOP member...

It came from a congressional IP addresses
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/27/politics/devils...

[Byker28i]

moanthebairns said:

Can someone explain to me, just what the actual fk is going on here.
Just pretend I haven't read anything about this before now or the American justice system.

GOP are trying to force in a judge that is sympathetic to their views, supports trump, even said so yesterday and blamed the clintons for all ills in the world during his hearing. He's also lied continuously, so fits right in. It's a lifetime appointment, so they are trying to rush it through before they lose control in the midterms.

In doing so they are prepared to overlook anything at all, things that would disqualify you from a security clearance, never mind the highest court in the land. He has 3 credible witnesses saying he subjected women to drunken and sexual assaults in his college years, backed by other witnesses saying he was frequently so drunk he would black out, he got so drunk his behaviour was awful, along with his friend Mark Judge.

The GOP refused to hear any other witnesses, spent their time praising Kavenaugh or covering for him. The Dems pushed questions he refused to answer.

The hearing was setup as a whitewash, every possible advantage was given to Kavenaugh. Peaking last, allowed a 45 minute statement at the start, the GOP woman prosecutor brought in sought to find holes in Ford's testimony, but not Kavanaugh's, the GOP questioners didn't ask questions, just covered for him.

Through all this, the GOP prosecutor could find no holes in Dr Fords testimony or answers, yet Kavanaugh created plenty of his own, told even more lies.

The GOP are prepared to ignore any further accusations rather than have an investigation, push through the vote for this today, which means we could well have a Supreme Court judge having to face a criminal investigation and trial if this is further reported to Maryland Police, or the Dems get in and call on the FBI to fully investigate.

Either way, it probably leaves the GOP very damaged for the midterms, especially if the dems use this.

[p1stonhead]

[ecurie]

anonymous said:

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Don’t get me wrong: the way Kavanaugh acted during the hearing doesn’t befit someone who is nominated for one of the most important jobs in the US.
But Dershowitz’s legal argumentation holds the road and is why he pleads for an FBI investigation. Looking at it objectively, right now, from a legal point of view, there isn’t enough proof, which is not the same as saying it didn’t happen.
I am convinced though that Ford is speaking the truth and Kavanaugh is lying and the GOP is trying everything to rush his confirmation through.

[Eric Mc]

What is the situation regarding the position of an already appointed Supreme Court Judge if they become the target of a genuine criminal investigation? Can they be removed from office whilst the investigation or even trial is being conducted?

Or are they "above the law"?

Has a Supreme Court Judge ever been removed from office?

[RobDickinson]

anonymous said:

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Oh bks the only reasons he doesn't want an FBI investigation is it will reveal too much and delay his appointment until after the mid terms. Which then won't happen

[4x4Tyke]

p1stonhead said:

‘Women love me’



Their faces!

Even Zina Bash, his signalling assistant is scowling.

[p1stonhead]

Eric Mc said:

What is the situation regarding the position of an already appointed Supreme Court Judge if they become the target of a genuine criminal investigation? Can they be removed from office whilst the investigation or even trial is being conducted?

Or are they "above the law"?

Has a Supreme Court Judge ever been removed from office?

They can be impeached IIRC?

[Eric Mc]

p1stonhead said:

They can be impeached IIRC?

Has it ever happened?

If that is the case, then it seems then that they too are not treated like normal US citizens in that they are above the normal legal system and immune from prosecution from the legal authorities.

[Burwood]

Correct. Impeachment, death or resign are only ways.

[greygoose]

Eric Mc said:

What is the situation regarding the position of an already appointed Supreme Court Judge if they become the target of a genuine criminal investigation? Can they be removed from office whilst the investigation or even trial is being conducted?

Or are they "above the law"?

Has a Supreme Court Judge ever been removed from office?

According to Wiki they can be impeached and convicted by Congress though this has only happened once in 1804 and they were acquitted by the Senate.

[Eric Mc]

Just shows how wrong so many aspects of the American allocation of power is. NOBODY should be immune from the law and the courts.

We all know what Kavanaugh thinks about the President's situation regarding the law. I expect he thinks that, once appointed to the Supreme Court, he too is above the law.

When the American Revolutionaries removed the English King as head of state, many monarchs at that time believed in "The Divine Right of Kings". It seems that the American ruling system is not that far removed from this outmoded concept.

[p1stonhead]

Effectively he will be untouchable for the rest of his life. No wonder the GOP will do anything to get him in. I think to be honest, the Dems may do the same if it was flipped.

[Blackpuddin]

Since Trump got in, the 229-year old US Constitution has been exposed as being in desperate need of a modernising revamp to rein in the sickening truth-bending and rank dissembling that has now become the norm in high office.

[Eric Mc]

It worked as long as the strings of power were pulled in a reasonably intelligent, sobre and thoughtful way. When the guy at the top is a lunatic and allows the other loons beneath him free reign to abuse these powers, then we can see how flawed the system is.

It is like the cracks in the system have opened into chasms.

[4x4Tyke]

ecurie said:

Don’t get me wrong: the way Kavanaugh acted during the hearing doesn’t befit someone who is nominated for one of the most important jobs in the US.
But Dershowitz’s legal argumentation holds the road and is why he pleads for an FBI investigation. Looking at it objectively, right now, from a legal point of view, there isn’t enough proof, which is not the same as saying it didn’t happen.
I am convinced though that Ford is speaking the truth and Kavanaugh is lying and the GOP is trying everything to rush his confirmation through.

Enough proof of what? That it happened? The testimony is certainly enough proof to warrant an (FBI) investigation to determine if he should face criminal charges.

However to all intent and purposes an interview, the burden of proof in on him to show he is a fit and proper person for the role. It is not on Ford or his other accusers.

[sugerbear]

Eric Mc said:

p1stonhead said:

They can be impeached IIRC?

Has it ever happened?

If that is the case, then it seems then that they too are not treated like normal US citizens in that they are above the normal legal system and immune from prosecution from the legal authorities.

Ironic he was impeached for "letting his partisan leanings affect his court decisions" how times have changed.