Elon Musk and Pedo Cave Rescuer Claim.

[Murph7355]

TooMany2cvs said:

Thesprucegoose said:

Any decent person would offer payments to the bloke, pay some to charity. Apologise and move on.

There's a strong parallel with the Hatie Kockpins/Jack Monroe thing, isn't there?

Not really. Both sides of that dog fight deserve each other.

On the face of it, the diver has done nothing wrong except dent poor Musk's ego.

[Welshbeef]

Murph7355 said:

Not really. Both sides of that dog fight deserve each other.

On the face of it, the diver has done nothing wrong except dent poor Musk's ego.

Musk said the crazy thing once - brain fart etc.
Why did he follow it up some time later & goading him into a lawsuit? Is it purely for his strange personal amusement or ? You’d assume he has some evidence to back up such a damming and strong claim.

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

Musk said the crazy thing once - brain fart etc.
Why did he follow it up some time later & goading him into a lawsuit? Is it purely for his strange personal amusement or ? You’d assume he has some evidence to back up such a damming and strong claim.

Musk was told to stick his stupid idea up his arse.

The massive ego couldn't cope with that.

He really needs to STFU and stay off twitter, it's going to catch him up spectacularly if he doesnt.

[kev1974]

ash73 said:

I'm amazed they're demanding such a small sum, if there's no evidence to support his claim personally I think the payout should be $1m+ it's the single biggest taboo in modern society and a very serious matter to make unfounded accusations.

The $75000 figure is just about getting the case heard at the Federal court level rather than a lower court. The actual damages sought will come out later on. You see this $75000 starter figure in a lot of US defamation cases. It does not mean he is only claiming $75000 and that's it.

[Bradgate]

Musk is an intelligent guy. He must realise that he has made a blatantly defamatory allegation against Mr Unsworth, for which he has no evidence whatsoever.

So why did he do it?

Either he is so narcissistic that his ego couldn’t handle the slightest questioning of his ideas, or he is so deluded and his judgement is so deeply flawed that he thinks he is above the law and that defamation laws don’t apply to him.

Either way, If I were a Tesla shareholder or employee I would be extremely concerned about Musk’s highly unpredictable and erratic behaviour. If I were a Tesla board member, I would be asking serious questions about Musk’s suitability to remain CEO.

If Uber can fire Travis Kalanick, Tesla can fire Musk.

[Spanna]

Skimmed the thread but so many post are going on about him smoking weed in an interview.

It was a podcast. In California where weed is legal. He took one drag on a mild blunt. He didn’t even breathe the bh in. Who the hell cares? The whisky was fine though?

[alfaman]

Spanna said:

Skimmed the thread but so many post are going on about him smoking weed in an interview.

It was a podcast. In California where weed is legal. He took one drag on a mild blunt. He didn’t even breathe the bh in. Who the hell cares? The whisky was fine though?

It shows a total lack of care from him about how he comes across - hence concerns about integrity and fitness as a CEO

Eg : from a shareholder perspective “ is this guy a safe pair of hands, is he credible, dependable and trustworthy ? Can he deliver? Is he competent ? Is he flaky ? Can he think straight ? Can he collaborate with various stakeholders “

If I had shares I’d be concerned about all of the above. (Not primarily because of the smoking )

Public dope smoking doesn’t exactly help though does it ? ... is he really that lacking in self awareness?

.... like turning up to a VC pitch in a mankini .... isn’t going to help your credibility

Edited by alfaman on Wednesday 19th September 03:22

[irocfan]

zubzob said:

I think we need more optimism and love in the world. Unsowrth was very pessimistic about Musk's submarine PR stunt, much like many on here are about Musk in general.

you're correct about the first bit, however, Unsworth wasn't pessimistic about muskrat's sub he (as a subject matter expert) stated flat out it was ill-conceived and wouldn't work. OK maybe he was somewhat less than complimentary but if the bewigged one had had any sort of personal awareness he'd have said something along the lines of "...dude, I'm just trying to think of solutions to help. No need to be a dick..." suddenly he's the good guy, instead he calls someone the worst thing you can accuse anyone of. For a clever bloke, he really can be amazingly dumb

[Clockwork Cupcake]

irocfan said:

Unsworth wasn't pessimistic about muskrat's sub he (as a subject matter expert) stated flat out it was ill-conceived and wouldn't work. OK maybe he was somewhat less than complimentary but if the bewigged one had had any sort of personal awareness he'd have said something along the lines of "...dude, I'm just trying to think of solutions to help. No need to be a dick..." suddenly he's the good guy, instead he calls someone the worst thing you can accuse anyone of. For a clever bloke, he really can be amazingly dumb

Exactly so.

The passages in the cave system were so narrow that at one point divers needed to remove their tanks and manhandle them separately. Quite how Musk thought that a submersible would work in that environment is beyond me.

I totally get that he wanted to help, and wanted to be seen to be wanting to help, but his idea was pants, and Unsworth told him so. That's not pessimistic, that's realistic.

Unsworth could probably have been more diplomatic in his rejection, but Musk should have been less thin-skinned in reacting to it.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Wednesday 19th September 09:22

[Welshbeef]

We also forget how dangerous it was - one expert cave diver died trying to assist.

[The Surveyor]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

irocfan said:

Unsworth wasn't pessimistic about muskrat's sub he (as a subject matter expert) stated flat out it was ill-conceived and wouldn't work. OK maybe he was somewhat less than complimentary but if the bewigged one had had any sort of personal awareness he'd have said something along the lines of "...dude, I'm just trying to think of solutions to help. No need to be a dick..." suddenly he's the good guy, instead he calls someone the worst thing you can accuse anyone of. For a clever bloke, he really can be amazingly dumb

Exactly so.

The passages in the cave system were so narrow that at one point divers needed to remove their tanks and manhandle them separately. Quite how Musk thought that a submersible would work in that environment is beyond me.

I totally get that he wanted to help, and wanted to be seen to be wanting to help, but his idea was pants, and Unsworth told him so. That's not pessimistic, that's realistic.

Unsworth could probably have been more diplomatic in his rejection, but Musk should have been less thin-skinned in reacting to it.

100%, although given the strain the whole rescue team were under at the time, you can forgive Unsworth for being a little blunt in his rejection of Musks offer.

[underphil]

irocfan said:

zubzob said:

I think we need more optimism and love in the world. Unsowrth was very pessimistic about Musk's submarine PR stunt, much like many on here are about Musk in general.

you're correct about the first bit, however, Unsworth wasn't pessimistic about muskrat's sub he (as a subject matter expert) stated flat out it was ill-conceived and wouldn't work. OK maybe he was somewhat less than complimentary but if the bewigged one had had any sort of personal awareness he'd have said something along the lines of "...dude, I'm just trying to think of solutions to help. No need to be a dick..." suddenly he's the good guy, instead he calls someone the worst thing you can accuse anyone of. For a clever bloke, he really can be amazingly dumb

I think people seem to overlook that it was a really bad joke - he definitely shouldn't have abbreviated torpedo to pedo (habits of a twitter character limit I guess)

[Kccv23highliftcam]

jsf said:

Musk was told to stick his stupid idea up his arse.

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were the company engineers in country at the time?

[p1stonhead]

underphil said:

irocfan said:

zubzob said:

I think we need more optimism and love in the world. Unsowrth was very pessimistic about Musk's submarine PR stunt, much like many on here are about Musk in general.

you're correct about the first bit, however, Unsworth wasn't pessimistic about muskrat's sub he (as a subject matter expert) stated flat out it was ill-conceived and wouldn't work. OK maybe he was somewhat less than complimentary but if the bewigged one had had any sort of personal awareness he'd have said something along the lines of "...dude, I'm just trying to think of solutions to help. No need to be a dick..." suddenly he's the good guy, instead he calls someone the worst thing you can accuse anyone of. For a clever bloke, he really can be amazingly dumb

I think people seem to overlook that it was a really bad joke - he definitely shouldn't have abbreviated torpedo to pedo (habits of a twitter character limit I guess)

If he said this straight away (i mean if he made it up straight away) he could probably have brushed it off as being what he meant. He absolutely didnt though.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

The Surveyor said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

irocfan said:

Unsworth wasn't pessimistic about muskrat's sub he (as a subject matter expert) stated flat out it was ill-conceived and wouldn't work. OK maybe he was somewhat less than complimentary but if the bewigged one had had any sort of personal awareness he'd have said something along the lines of "...dude, I'm just trying to think of solutions to help. No need to be a dick..." suddenly he's the good guy, instead he calls someone the worst thing you can accuse anyone of. For a clever bloke, he really can be amazingly dumb

Exactly so.

The passages in the cave system were so narrow that at one point divers needed to remove their tanks and manhandle them separately. Quite how Musk thought that a submersible would work in that environment is beyond me.

I totally get that he wanted to help, and wanted to be seen to be wanting to help, but his idea was pants, and Unsworth told him so. That's not pessimistic, that's realistic.

Unsworth could probably have been more diplomatic in his rejection, but Musk should have been less thin-skinned in reacting to it.

100%, although given the strain the whole rescue team were under at the time, you can forgive Unsworth for being a little blunt in his rejection of Musks offer.

were the boring company engineers in country at the time?

more that one ego at play here....

[underphil]

p1stonhead said:

If he said this straight away (i mean if he made it up straight away) he could probably have brushed it off as being what he meant. He absolutely didnt though.

true, he seemingly inexplicably doubled down. though I imagine Elon may have a tonne of hacker contacts, so he may well have had them do some digging into emails/phone records etc

[Clockwork Cupcake]

I think more than anything, the whole thing suggests that Musk should be kept away from Twitter. As should Trump.

[CrutyRammers]

Bradgate said:

Musk is an intelligent guy. He must realise that he has made a blatantly defamatory allegation against Mr Unsworth, for which he has no evidence whatsoever.

So why did he do it?

Either he is so narcissistic that his ego couldn’t handle the slightest questioning of his ideas, or he is so deluded and his judgement is so deeply flawed that he thinks he is above the law and that defamation laws don’t apply to him.

Either way, If I were a Tesla shareholder or employee I would be extremely concerned about Musk’s highly unpredictable and erratic behaviour. If I were a Tesla board member, I would be asking serious questions about Musk’s suitability to remain CEO.

If Uber can fire Travis Kalanick, Tesla can fire Musk.

Not uncommon entrepeneur behaviour IME. They have one or two good ideas, then over time start to believe that all their ideas must be good. And the more people tell them they aren't, the more they believe that they are a genius and everyone else is stupid. And/or surround themselves with brown-nosers who constantly tell them how wonderful they are.

[speedking31]

John Cadogan chips in. Aussie car reviewer.

[Cold]

Still waiting for the video of Musk's sub making it to the cave where the boys were trapped - as he promised.