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schmalex

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13,616 posts

205 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Vote Leave 'broke electoral law', says Electoral Commission http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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schmalex said:
Vote Leave 'broke electoral law', says Electoral Commission http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
We voted to unscrew ourselves !!!
maybe cameron could personally be made to pay back the money he wasted on the leaflet ??


Herr Schnell

2,342 posts

198 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Electoral Commission on R4 said the overspend had no appreciable impact on people's voting behaviour and this is a procedural failing only so, no. I don't imagine this is the grounds for an attempt to subvert the original decision many have been looking for.


mx5nut

5,404 posts

81 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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schmalex said:
Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
Only if significant numbers of MPs can stand the vicious abuse that will be thrown at them by angry leavers for daring to suggest it.

So don't hold your breath.

Ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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schmalex said:
Vote Leave 'broke electoral law', says Electoral Commission http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
We can only hope. We'd be foolish to look this gift horse in the mouth.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

76 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Another desperate Remoaner thread.

What next ? Farage broke the Law speeding at 34mph in a 30, we must re-run the Ref !

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Another desperate Remoaner thread.

What next ? Farage broke the Law speeding at 34mph in a 30, we must re-run the Ref !
Another desperate returned banned poster, rejoining in the last year just to drone on endlessly about brexit and trump.

Sad.

coldel

7,733 posts

145 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Unfortunately it does show the benefit of breaking electoral rules, a relatively small fine for very rich people given the amounts involved. It hardly sets a precedent moving forwards for campaign groups to operate in a fair and law abiding fashion.

t400ble

1,804 posts

120 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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schmalex said:
Vote Leave 'broke electoral law', says Electoral Commission http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
Pr we could have another vot and still vote leave.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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t400ble said:
schmalex said:
Vote Leave 'broke electoral law', says Electoral Commission http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
Pr we could have another vot and still vote leave.
Most polls indicate people would vote the same way. I haven’t seen any that suggest it would be a different result.


coldel

7,733 posts

145 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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El stovey said:
t400ble said:
schmalex said:
Vote Leave 'broke electoral law', says Electoral Commission http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
Pr we could have another vot and still vote leave.
Most polls indicate people would vote the same way. I haven’t seen any that suggest it would be a different result.
I think attitudes are broadly the same but the turnout might be different, we know a large swathe of younger voters did not vote (as traditionally they don't) who on the whole are very much remain. Post Brexit vote there was a lot of evidence to show young voters realised this and became more engaged subsequently in the electoral process - that said whether they would follow through and actually turn up to vote remain second time around is another thing.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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coldel said:
El stovey said:
t400ble said:
schmalex said:
Vote Leave 'broke electoral law', says Electoral Commission http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
Pr we could have another vot and still vote leave.
Most polls indicate people would vote the same way. I haven’t seen any that suggest it would be a different result.
I think attitudes are broadly the same but the turnout might be different, we know a large swathe of younger voters did not vote (as traditionally they don't) who on the whole are very much remain. Post Brexit vote there was a lot of evidence to show young voters realised this and became more engaged subsequently in the electoral process - that said whether they would follow through and actually turn up to vote remain second time around is another thing.
Possibly.

I don’t think there’s going to be another UK referendum ever on EU membership though.

The rejoining or not leaving will be likely through amendments and thousands of small changes.

coldel

7,733 posts

145 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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El stovey said:
Possibly.

I don’t think there’s going to be another UK referendum ever on EU membership though.

The rejoining or not leaving will be likely through amendments and thousands of small changes.
I agree. Another vote doesn't help. Otherwise we end up in an endless cycle as the difference is so marginal it could literally be 51% 49% remain next time or vice versa, the result was not decisive enough to be completely sure.

I guess back on the OP, as I mentioned I think the bigger concern with all the distrust in politicians is that we have wealthy supporters breaking the law to influence voting and getting no punishment for it. Although if they got a few years in prison that might actually send a proper message that the process of democracy cannot be influenced this way.

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Genuine question. If this matter is related to how much each of the various groups of the leave / remain camps spent on their referendum campaigns, where does the 9 million pounds of tax payers money spent by David Cameron on a pro remain booklet stand in all of this?
Has this sum been taken into account when totting up who spent what, or this something that needs to be investigated further by the electoral reform office? As stated, this is a genuine question.

Ziplobb

1,349 posts

283 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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schmalex said:
Does this present an opportunity for us to try again and un-screw ourselves..?
I thought had already voted to un-screw ourselves from the mess that is The European Union

Heartworm

1,922 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Herr Schnell said:
Electoral Commission on R4 said the overspend had no appreciable impact on people's voting behaviour and this is a procedural failing only so, no. I don't imagine this is the grounds for an attempt to subvert the original decision many have been looking for.
Not quite what they said this morning, when that question was asked they avoided answering saying that was not their remit to decide if it had an impact on the vote or not.


Dindoit

1,645 posts

93 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Pan Pan Pan said:
Genuine question. If this matter is related to how much each of the various groups of the leave / remain camps spent on their referendum campaigns, where does the 9 million pounds of tax payers money spent by David Cameron on a pro remain booklet stand in all of this?
Has this sum been taken into account when totting up who spent what, or this something that needs to be investigated further by the electoral reform office? As stated, this is a genuine question.
As I understand it the problem is all private groups were obliged inform the electoral commission if they were spending more than £10k on campaigning. After this they were bound by various rules governing referendums. Vote Leave Limited, BeLeave and Veterans for Britain broke the rules.

Full findings here http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/asset...

fwiw the Leave campaign also received tax payers money. Our money.

ClaphamGT3

11,269 posts

242 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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El stovey said:
Possibly.

I don’t think there’s going to be another UK referendum ever on EU membership though.

The rejoining or not leaving will be likely through amendments and thousands of small changes.
I think that this is the near-inevitable outcome; we will re-join the EU in 10-15 years on terms far less generous than those we have enjoyed to date. It will still be better for the UK overall but it is likely that the price of readmission will be membership of the single currency, 100% compliance with the Social Chapter, zero rebate on the contribution formula and unfettered FOM

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

76 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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assuming it will still exist in 10-15 years time.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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ClaphamGT3 said:
I think that this is the near-inevitable outcome; we will re-join the EU in 10-15 years on terms far less generous than those we have enjoyed to date.
Why on earth would we choose to do so?