Man buys speedboat “to pull women”......
Discussion
wc98 said:
this ^ .it appears he made no attempt to help her either.no one i know would give someone control of any boat, never mind a speed boat,for the first time in the dark.
Give over. It isn't a weapon of war. Bloody nanny state.An adult is in control of their own destiny. He was the captain of nothing. It was a mini speedboat with two irresponsible people on board, and some tragic consequences.
Next you'll be going about captaining cars.
If some bloke went out, pulled a girl and in the middle of the night took her back to his place to show her his Lambo, belted it along an A road at double the speed limit then happily handed her the wheel even though she didnt have a driving licence and she smashed it up we would all be on here saying he deserved everything coming his way. He needs to take responsibility for his actions - that jail time.
garyhun said:
You think that’s sensible?
I like to have as much fun as the next guy but there have been enough fatal accidents on boats over the past few years to realise that not wearing life vests is a risk not worth taking.
Yes, perfectly sensible. If the boat flips and lands on me, I’m dead. If I somehow fall off, then I’ll get picked up or swim to shore. We were at most 1/2 a mile off shore and most days started with a mile or two of swimming. There is a small chance that I’ll fall off and whack my head, in which case a life jacket might help me (assuming it’s on correctly...) but I’ll take that chance.I like to have as much fun as the next guy but there have been enough fatal accidents on boats over the past few years to realise that not wearing life vests is a risk not worth taking.
You know how on most powerboats there are at least 3 comely young maidens on the front deck? Ever seen them with life jackets on? Ours certainly didn’t, it would have ruined the tan lines.
coldel said:
If some bloke went out, pulled a girl and in the middle of the night took her back to his place to show her his Lambo, belted it along an A road at double the speed limit then happily handed her the wheel even though she didnt have a driving licence and she smashed it up we would all be on here saying he deserved everything coming his way. He needs to take responsibility for his actions - that jail time.
Indeed, some odd views on here from people who seem to have the view that no one should be held responsible for anything. The fact he fled rather than appear in court indicates he knew what he did was wrong and is too much of a coward to face up to it.greygoose said:
coldel said:
If some bloke went out, pulled a girl and in the middle of the night took her back to his place to show her his Lambo, belted it along an A road at double the speed limit then happily handed her the wheel even though she didnt have a driving licence and she smashed it up we would all be on here saying he deserved everything coming his way. He needs to take responsibility for his actions - that jail time.
Indeed, some odd views on here from people who seem to have the view that no one should be held responsible for anything. The fact he fled rather than appear in court indicates he knew what he did was wrong and is too much of a coward to face up to it.The decision to take the wheel of a lambo or a speedboat is the decision of the person who agrees to take the wheel. It puts them in charge of the destiny of the boat/car. If I handed you a gun you have the right to decline it as a dangerous item to handle.
He deserves much of what is coming his way for being spineless and stupid, and effectively encouraging someone to make a very bad decision.
Guy comes across as an idiot.
He's also taking some crap advice, or not listening to good advice.
If its all about saving his skin in his mind, He'd have been far better off simply saying she took control then for the rest of it simply a no comment interview.
If it isn't, he should turn up, show compassion and cooperate as far as possible, whilst making the case about responsibility etc.
As it is he's seemed to have followed the worst of both approaches - cooperate and give lots of self incriminating evidence and then act like a dick to ensure the heaviest sentence. Weird.
He's also taking some crap advice, or not listening to good advice.
If its all about saving his skin in his mind, He'd have been far better off simply saying she took control then for the rest of it simply a no comment interview.
If it isn't, he should turn up, show compassion and cooperate as far as possible, whilst making the case about responsibility etc.
As it is he's seemed to have followed the worst of both approaches - cooperate and give lots of self incriminating evidence and then act like a dick to ensure the heaviest sentence. Weird.
julian64 said:
greygoose said:
coldel said:
If some bloke went out, pulled a girl and in the middle of the night took her back to his place to show her his Lambo, belted it along an A road at double the speed limit then happily handed her the wheel even though she didnt have a driving licence and she smashed it up we would all be on here saying he deserved everything coming his way. He needs to take responsibility for his actions - that jail time.
Indeed, some odd views on here from people who seem to have the view that no one should be held responsible for anything. The fact he fled rather than appear in court indicates he knew what he did was wrong and is too much of a coward to face up to it.julian64 said:
Both daft. Adults have capacity to make decisions and take responsibility, children don't. Theres a slightly uncomfortable vibe going on here with now two examples of a woman being regarded in the same way as a child.
The decision to take the wheel of a lambo or a speedboat is the decision of the person who agrees to take the wheel. It puts them in charge of the destiny of the boat/car. If I handed you a gun you have the right to decline it as a dangerous item to handle.
He deserves much of what is coming his way for being spineless and stupid, and effectively encouraging someone to make a very bad decision.
Good summary IMO. At what point does two adults stupidly making bad decisions become manslaughter?The decision to take the wheel of a lambo or a speedboat is the decision of the person who agrees to take the wheel. It puts them in charge of the destiny of the boat/car. If I handed you a gun you have the right to decline it as a dangerous item to handle.
He deserves much of what is coming his way for being spineless and stupid, and effectively encouraging someone to make a very bad decision.
If one idiot persuades another to go rock climbing, with little training and no gear, is the survivor up on a charge?
If two highly qualified climbers decide to climb something dangerous with no ropes, is that manslaughter? I mean, they should know better.
What is the threshold for manslaughter? Is it having a shonky boat, breaking speed limits, or letting your girlfriend have a go? Or all three? Would having a shonky boat but driving it carefully mean that it is not manslaughter?
coldel said:
If some bloke went out, pulled a girl and in the middle of the night took her back to his place to show her his Lambo, belted it along an A road at double the speed limit then happily handed her the wheel even though she didnt have a driving licence and she smashed it up we would all be on here saying he deserved everything coming his way. He needs to take responsibility for his actions - that jail time.
Actually this being PH they would probably come on here saying it was only the pov spec Lambo, had s
t wheels and how the XYZ model is so much better.jcremonini said:
Can't agree with that. The boat had defects which , bearing in mind she had never driven it before, were known only to him. If I handed you the keys to a car with known dodgy steering and defective tyres ( and didn't disclose that to you ) then the negligence, should you crash, would rest firmly on my shoulders.
I agree with that. But after an incident like this they have obviously gone over the boat with a fine tooth comb. The extent to which he didn't inform her and the severity of the defects would therefore increase his contribution to the crash.But being that the accident was caused by apparently hitting a submerged log I can't say how much the defect was responsible for the crash.
Yeah but what were those defects? A bit of missing paint? A dodgy starter? Or was the rudder missing?
The fact is, boats are not subject to a 'roadworthiness' test so I don't see what difference it makes. Whatever defect it had did not cause the accident so I fail to see why bringing that up makes sense.
The fact is, boats are not subject to a 'roadworthiness' test so I don't see what difference it makes. Whatever defect it had did not cause the accident so I fail to see why bringing that up makes sense.
rxe said:
julian64 said:
Both daft. Adults have capacity to make decisions and take responsibility, children don't. Theres a slightly uncomfortable vibe going on here with now two examples of a woman being regarded in the same way as a child.
The decision to take the wheel of a lambo or a speedboat is the decision of the person who agrees to take the wheel. It puts them in charge of the destiny of the boat/car. If I handed you a gun you have the right to decline it as a dangerous item to handle.
He deserves much of what is coming his way for being spineless and stupid, and effectively encouraging someone to make a very bad decision.
Good summary IMO. At what point does two adults stupidly making bad decisions become manslaughter?The decision to take the wheel of a lambo or a speedboat is the decision of the person who agrees to take the wheel. It puts them in charge of the destiny of the boat/car. If I handed you a gun you have the right to decline it as a dangerous item to handle.
He deserves much of what is coming his way for being spineless and stupid, and effectively encouraging someone to make a very bad decision.
If one idiot persuades another to go rock climbing, with little training and no gear, is the survivor up on a charge?
If two highly qualified climbers decide to climb something dangerous with no ropes, is that manslaughter? I mean, they should know better.
What is the threshold for manslaughter? Is it having a shonky boat, breaking speed limits, or letting your girlfriend have a go? Or all three? Would having a shonky boat but driving it carefully mean that it is not manslaughter?
hooblah said:
keith333 said:
At the very least he should have made sure they were wearing lifejackets.
Well no. There are no rules about this like seatbelts in cars. Nothing wrong with not wearing lifejackets on a boat depending on conditions, distance from shore, swimming strength, etc. Each to their own.
over_the_hill said:
Actually this being PH they would probably come on here saying it was only the pov spec Lambo, had st wheels and how the XYZ model is so much better.
I saw the bit on ITV London News - river plod tested the boat & said it was badly maintained & pulled to one side. Sounds a bit odd to me - I don't recll seeing 2 outboards or 2 propellers, & it certainly wasn't a catamaran....t wheels and how the XYZ model is so much better.As for life jackets being made mandatory: who would police that exactly? Anyone been on the Solent on a warm weekend? Thousands of boats & zero plod..... I NEVER wear one unless racing. Horrible things.
Biker 1 said:
I saw the bit on ITV London News - river plod tested the boat & said it was badly maintained & pulled to one side. Sounds a bit odd to me - I don't recll seeing 2 outboards or 2 propellers, & it certainly wasn't a catamaran....
As for life jackets being made mandatory: who would police that exactly? Anyone been on the Solent on a warm weekend? Thousands of boats & zero plod..... I NEVER wear one unless racing. Horrible things.
surely that would simply mean he had the outboard on the transom but not in the middle. Might even have happened after the log. Remember going down there in a flatacraft force 3 and seeing the most amazingly large tree making its way down the Thames at about 8 knots. Only spotted it at the last minute.As for life jackets being made mandatory: who would police that exactly? Anyone been on the Solent on a warm weekend? Thousands of boats & zero plod..... I NEVER wear one unless racing. Horrible things.
julian64 said:
Both daft. Adults have capacity to make decisions and take responsibility, children don't. Theres a slightly uncomfortable vibe going on here with now two examples of a woman being regarded in the same way as a child.
The decision to take the wheel of a lambo or a speedboat is the decision of the person who agrees to take the wheel. It puts them in charge of the destiny of the boat/car. If I handed you a gun you have the right to decline it as a dangerous item to handle.
He deserves much of what is coming his way for being spineless and stupid, and effectively encouraging someone to make a very bad decision.
I do wonder if he had taken one of his male mates out and given him control and he had died, whether he would be facing the same punishment and uproar.The decision to take the wheel of a lambo or a speedboat is the decision of the person who agrees to take the wheel. It puts them in charge of the destiny of the boat/car. If I handed you a gun you have the right to decline it as a dangerous item to handle.
He deserves much of what is coming his way for being spineless and stupid, and effectively encouraging someone to make a very bad decision.
I don't think it's his fault at all. st happens. And I don't understand the need to try to reduce deaths constantly. Be it on the roads or not. Its just trying to find blame where there is none. People will do stupid things and kill themselves. All this health and safety implementation just makes things take so much longer and increases costs.
t happens. And I don't understand the need to try to reduce deaths constantly. Be it on the roads or not. Its just trying to find blame where there is none. People will do stupid things and kill themselves. All this health and safety implementation just makes things take so much longer and increases costs. rxe said:
What is the threshold for manslaughter?
From the CPS website:The test involves the following stages:
a) the existence of a duty of care to the deceased;
b) a breach of that duty of care which;
c) causes (or significantly contributes) to the death of the victim; and
d) the breach should be characterised as gross negligence, and therefore a crime.
Edited by Europa1 on Friday 27th July 18:31
Europa1 said:
rxe said:
What is the threshold for manslaughter?
From the CPS website:The test involves the following stages:
a) the existence of a duty of care to the deceased;
b) a breach of that duty of care which;
c) causes (or significantly contributes) to the death of the victim; and
d) the breach should be characterised as gross negligence, and therefore a crime.
Edited by Europa1 on Friday 27th July 18:31
hooblah said:
I don't think it's his fault at all. st happens. And I don't understand the need to try to reduce deaths constantly. Be it on the roads or not. Its just trying to find blame where there is none. People will do stupid things and kill themselves. All this health and safety implementation just makes things take so much longer and increases costs.
I was thinking how to put my thoughts into words but you’ve done it for me.t happens. And I don't understand the need to try to reduce deaths constantly. Be it on the roads or not. Its just trying to find blame where there is none. People will do stupid things and kill themselves. All this health and safety implementation just makes things take so much longer and increases costs. She’s an adult, nothing suggests she was bullied or forced into getting into or driving the boat. Terrible accident and he’s done himself no favours by disappearing.
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