Man buys speedboat “to pull women”......
Discussion
julian64 said:
Give over. It isn't a weapon of war. Bloody nanny state.
An adult is in control of their own destiny. He was the captain of nothing. It was a mini speedboat with two irresponsible people on board, and some tragic consequences.
Next you'll be going about captaining cars.
no nanny state required. do you think it was a good idea to offer someone with no experience control of a speed boat for the first time, in the dark, on the thames, in the middle of winter and wearing no life jacket ?An adult is in control of their own destiny. He was the captain of nothing. It was a mini speedboat with two irresponsible people on board, and some tragic consequences.
Next you'll be going about captaining cars.
i have done many things far more stupid than that (fortunately without killing anyone), some of them on boats. if at any time they had resulted in the death of someone through my stupidity then i would expect to be in trouble.
wc98 said:
no nanny state required. do you think it was a good idea to offer someone with no experience control of a speed boat for the first time, in the dark, on the thames, in the middle of winter and wearing no life jacket ?
i have done many things far more stupid than that (fortunately without killing anyone), some of them on boats. if at any time they had resulted in the death of someone through my stupidity then i would expect to be in trouble.
To flip that on it's head, would you, having no previous experience of controlling any boat, take control for the first time, in the dark, on the Thames, in the middle of winter, wearing no life jacket when you know you can't swim and then give it the berries?i have done many things far more stupid than that (fortunately without killing anyone), some of them on boats. if at any time they had resulted in the death of someone through my stupidity then i would expect to be in trouble.
If you were sober, you'd say only an idiot would do that. Thing is, neither of them were and if there hadn't been an obstacle to hit and make it all go pear shaped (that would have been almost impossible to see in the circumstances), they would have woken up in the morning in his houseboat and laughed their tits off about their hedonistic night - dinner at the Shard, heaps of wine, Champagne, spanking the boat down the river and back for a game of hide the sausage.
Yes, he had a duty of care, but she's also an adult capable of making her own decisions. For me, it's just two pissed up idiots saying "watch this" to one another and their mates. Always a chance for that to end like it unfortunately has.
He should man up and face the music though - 6 years is harsh IMO, but justified given him skipping bail.
The guy is a dick of the first order and has been hoisted by his own petard. When pulled from the water he should have had no recollection of the accident and in any subsequent interview should have stuck to a no comment response. If you give the police the ammunition you cannot be surprised if they use it against you. I guess he realised his error too late and faced with the inevitable jail time has had it on his toes. I expect he will be caught!
dangerousB said:
To flip that on it's head, would you, having no previous experience of controlling any boat, take control for the first time, in the dark, on the Thames, in the middle of winter, wearing no life jacket when you know you can't swim and then give it the berries?
If you were sober, you'd say only an idiot would do that. Thing is, neither of them were and if there hadn't been an obstacle to hit and make it all go pear shaped (that would have been almost impossible to see in the circumstances), they would have woken up in the morning in his houseboat and laughed their tits off about their hedonistic night - dinner at the Shard, heaps of wine, Champagne, spanking the boat down the river and back for a game of hide the sausage.
Yes, he had a duty of care, but she's also an adult capable of making her own decisions. For me, it's just two pissed up idiots saying "watch this" to one another and their mates. Always a chance for that to end like it unfortunately has.
He should man up and face the music though - 6 years is harsh IMO, but justified given him skipping bail.
putting it like that it is hard to disagree with you. i can be a bit stupid when it comes to certain things. i realise this so tend to try and protect others from my stupidity ,more so as i have got older. i just think the lack of life jackets in that situation was about as dumb as it gets.the sentence does seem harsh given lack of intent but i agree skipping bail has contributed significantly to that.If you were sober, you'd say only an idiot would do that. Thing is, neither of them were and if there hadn't been an obstacle to hit and make it all go pear shaped (that would have been almost impossible to see in the circumstances), they would have woken up in the morning in his houseboat and laughed their tits off about their hedonistic night - dinner at the Shard, heaps of wine, Champagne, spanking the boat down the river and back for a game of hide the sausage.
Yes, he had a duty of care, but she's also an adult capable of making her own decisions. For me, it's just two pissed up idiots saying "watch this" to one another and their mates. Always a chance for that to end like it unfortunately has.
He should man up and face the music though - 6 years is harsh IMO, but justified given him skipping bail.
Thankyou4calling said:
It sounds to me like PH will be minus one member for a while.
Wonder what his user name was?
Unlikely. But it is a serious point...….Marchioness disaster, 51 people dead, no one in prison for it. Wonder what his user name was?
Hillsborough, 96 people dead, 25 years of lies, no one in prison (yet) for it.
Nobead and his date get pissed up go for a go up the river in a beaten up Fletcher, she's driving, it capsizes, she drowns, he gets 6 years....!
I am no saying he should not do bird, but compared to the other two disasters, this is surely more of a genuine "accident" ??
Also, the Matthew Compton case, F50 crash, 13 year old killed.....18 months inside..... 6 years is a bit of a pisstake compared to that. This woman was a willing participant it seems, old enough to know right and wrong, not like a 13 year old.
He's a proper nob mind you.
Edited by poo at Paul's on Friday 27th July 23:23
rxe said:
garyhun said:
There are no rules BUT anyone with half a brain cell who owns a boat would make sure their guests wore them.
Really? Having just come back from 2 weeks dicking about with powerboats in Spain, the only person with a life jacket was whoever was on the wakeboard/skis/rubber ring at that moment. That was true for all the boats that I saw, not just ours. There will be calls for seatbelts and airbags next.
Edited by 98elise on Saturday 28th July 10:20
coldel said:
If some bloke went out, pulled a girl and in the middle of the night took her back to his place to show her his Lambo, belted it along an A road at double the speed limit then happily handed her the wheel even though she didnt have a driving licence and she smashed it up we would all be on here saying he deserved everything coming his way. He needs to take responsibility for his actions - that jail time.
All this, then add in at least two bottles of wine and going on the run.I'm sure all those defending him, would let him take their daughter out on a date, yes...?
Gameface said:
All this, then add in at least two bottles of wine and going on the run.
I'm sure all those defending him, would let him take their daughter out on a date, yes...?
I'm absolutely 100% certain my daughter has been with far worse offenders than this bloke, & done some way more stupid things - I know I did when I was young. What are we to do? Wrap them up in cotton wool forever? Lock them in the house? They talk of the snowflake generation: I shudder to think what their children will be referred to, & that I'm afraid, is what this all boils down to.I'm sure all those defending him, would let him take their daughter out on a date, yes...?
Biker 1 said:
I'm absolutely 100% certain my daughter has been with far worse offenders than this bloke, & done some way more stupid things - I know I did when I was young. What are we to do? Wrap them up in cotton wool forever? Lock them in the house? They talk of the snowflake generation: I shudder to think what their children will be referred to, & that I'm afraid, is what this all boils down to.
She was lucky.This girl wasn't.
If one of your daughter's escapades with a reckless friend resulted in her death would you be so magnanimous?
I suppose you think those who were killed in Colin Mcraes's helicopter were equally to blame for what happened?
coldel said:
If some bloke went out, pulled a girl and in the middle of the night took her back to his place to show her his Lambo, belted it along an A road at double the speed limit then happily handed her the wheel even though she didnt have a driving licence and she smashed it up we would all be on here saying he deserved everything coming his way. He needs to take responsibility for his actions - that jail time.
A small tatty old fletcher....a better analogy would be:A bloke takes a girl back to his place to show her his 20 year old 1.6 Mazda MX5. He floors it in a 20 limit getting up to near 40mph.
He then hands her the wheel even though she doesn't have a licence to drive F1, and she crashes it.
Guy takes someone out on his boat, boat crashes, witness hears a man shouting "help me!!".....not "Help us!" or "Help her!".... cretin, but as he is white and posh it's a PH get out of jail free card....
Utter bell end.......... web designer and lives on a house boat.... what a gargantuan t
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