How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[gooner1]

Camoradi said:

TTwiggy said:

As opposed to Nigel, Boris and Mike Read?

Correct, those three are brexit supporters.

Mike Read who used to do Runaround and was in Eastenders?

Well if it's that Mike Read he left a while ago.

[Garvin]

TTwiggy said:

Who is this 'remain community' then? Is it similar to other communities that are often being called on to form a homologous opinion on anything demanded of them?

Take your pick. The Remain community on PH would be a good start. Then the political community although I think Vince Cable has been clear on his view but he doesn’t represent all of the political community. How about the industrial community as well. Perhaps all these communities could come up with a single cohesive requirement for the ‘prople’s vote’! I won’t hold my breath on this although it is amusing to see a these sub/communities within Remain wander aimlessly around on the topic. Blind leading the blind comes to mind!

[TTwiggy]

Camoradi said:

TTwiggy said:

As opposed to Nigel, Boris and Mike Read?

Correct, those three are brexit supporters.

Mike Read who used to do Runaround and was in Eastenders?

No, the Mike Read who penned the 'Ukip Calypso'.

[confused_buyer]

alfie2244 said:

Look what just popped up on my screen..sorry it's Huffpost but it has to be posted

Poor Tim but dim:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/anxious-wor...

Good god. Anyone who spends their life worrying about Brexit must have a pretty nice life because they obviously haven't anything serious to worry about.

I can have some sympathy about anyone worried about their legal position or similar but just worried about the politics??

[TTwiggy]

sidicks said:

TTwiggy said:

As opposed to Nigel, Boris and Mike Read?

You wouldn’t class Nigel, Boris and Mike Read as part of the ‘Leave Community’?

Not really. I'd consider them to simply be three people on the Leave side of the debate. Is there a community consensus among Leavers then?

[Camoradi]

TTwiggy said:

No, the Mike Read who penned the 'Ukip Calypso'.

You've just opened up a whole new musical genre to me

[TTwiggy]

Garvin said:

Take your pick. The Remain community on PH would be a good start. Then the political community although I think Vince Cable has been clear on his view but he doesn’t represent all of the political community. How about the industrial community as well. Perhaps all these communities could come up with a single cohesive requirement for the ‘prople’s vote’! I won’t hold my breath on this although it is amusing to see a these sub/communities within Remain wander aimlessly around on the topic. Blind leading the blind comes to mind!

You'll have to forgive me then if I missed the 'leave community's' definitive answer on what leaving is actually meant to look like.

[TTwiggy]

Camoradi said:

TTwiggy said:

No, the Mike Read who penned the 'Ukip Calypso'.

You've just opened up a whole new musical genre to me

You missed it at the time?

[Camoradi]

TTwiggy said:

You'll have to forgive me then if I missed the 'leave community's' definitive answer on what leaving is actually meant to look like.

[Camoradi]

TTwiggy said:

You missed it at the time?

At that time I was on a marching holiday and mainly listening to Wagner

[Garvin]

TTwiggy said:

You'll have to forgive me then if I missed the 'leave community's' definitive answer on what leaving is actually meant to look like.

Nothing to forgive but I’ll help you here.

Firstly, it’s the Remain community that is chasing a ‘prople’s vote’, not the Leave community so it is irrelevant to include them when determining what a people’s vote should be.

Secondly, it seems to me that the Leave community is pretty aligned on not wanting the Chequers option, would prefer getting, or close to, a Canada +++ option and failing that are OK exiting on WTO trading terms.

[dandarez]

alfie2244 said:

Look what just popped up on my screen..sorry it's Huffpost but it has to be posted

Poor Tim but dim:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/anxious-wor...

Blimy, no wonder some can't cope with life today. And he's 51, not 21!
Everyone seemingly has mental health issues, it's the buzz word of today.
Either blame it on that or Brexit.
If the financial crash of 10 yrs ago was happening now you just know what would be getting the blame, don't you?

Talking of 'issues', this man looks like he has some. A good reason to exit stage right as quickly as possible!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

[SpeckledJim]

dandarez said:

alfie2244 said:

Look what just popped up on my screen..sorry it's Huffpost but it has to be posted

Poor Tim but dim:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/anxious-wor...

Blimy, no wonder some can't cope with life today. And he's 51, not 21!
Everyone seemingly has mental health issues, it's the buzz word of today.
Either blame it on that or Brexit.
If the financial crash of 10 yrs ago was happening now you just know what would be getting the blame, don't you?

Talking of 'issues', this man looks like he has some. A good reason to exit stage right as quickly as possible!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

Not sure that's not a C+P from The Daily Mash.

Risible. And I suspect 90% not true.

[Wobbegong]

alfie2244 said:

Look what just popped up on my screen..sorry it's Huffpost but it has to be posted

Poor Tim but dim:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/anxious-wor...

It’s not the U.K. leaving the EU that’s causing these issues, it’s the ridiculous reporting and wailing in the media. I know of one chap who tried to top himself over this crap

[amusingduck]

Wobbegong said:

It’s not the U.K. leaving the EU that’s causing these issues, it’s the ridiculous reporting and wailing in the media. I know of one chap who tried to top himself over this crap

[anonymous-user]

jjlynn27 said:

jsf said:

<usual waffle>

Carney and his decisions discussion has only been twisted by you to suggest i don't know the role of the MPC,

No twisting needed.

jsf said:

He also made some really stupid decisions such as lowering interest rates post the Brexit vote.

jsf said:

I'm refering to his decision later to lower interest rates only to then have to raise them again, twice.

Once again, it wasn't his decision. It was a unanimous decision of nine people.

The fact its a committee decision that provides the policy does not negate his decision being a bad one. Carney earns the big bucks and gets the cudos because he chairs the various committees, sets the policy direction and provides the narrative to explain to the markets why the various policy decisions are taken.

It wasn't unanimous to raise rates in 2017 https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy-su...

[alfie2244]

amusingduck said:

Wobbegong said:

It’s not the U.K. leaving the EU that’s causing these issues, it’s the ridiculous reporting and wailing in the media. I know of one chap who tried to top himself over this crap

Let's just hope interest rates don't reach 15% like they did in the late 80's

[Not-The-Messiah]

Helicopter123 said:

Some people think it’s impossible to get a People’s Vote because Theresa May has ruled one out. This is not so. MPs will have many ways to give the people a final say at the end of the Brexit talks if that’s what they want, according to a report written by Lord Kerr, the former civil servant who helped write Article 50, with input from a range of constitutional and legal experts, as well as politicians in the UK and Europe.

If MPs decide to give voters the final say, the report recommends it should be a binary choice between staying in the EU and whatever the government is proposing. If there’s no deal, the choice should be between staying and leaving the EU without a deal. If there’s a deal, it should be a choice between staying and leaving with the deal May has negotiated.

The report, which has been written for the People’s Vote campaign, does not rule out entirely a referendum with three options if it could command a majority in Parliament. But it says that, for reasons of simplicity, speed and clarity, as well as past experience, it is unlikely such a proposal would prevail.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/in/pages/157...

The report, entitled The Roadmap to a People’s Vote, sets out six plausible routes to get such a vote:

If there’s a deal, MPs could amend the Parliamentary motion needed to back it, requiring the deal to be subject to a People’s Vote.

If MPs reject a deal or there’s no deal by January 21, the government has to present alternative plans to Parliament. MPs could then amend the motion approving those plans, making them subject to a People’s Vote.

Even if MPs support the motion to back the government’s deal, they could amend the legislation implementing it, making it conditional on approval by a People’s Vote.

The prime minister herself could decide to put her deal to the people either because MPs have rejected it or because she fears they will.

May could also decide to ask the people what to do if she is unable to secure a deal.

If there’s a snap election in the next few months, MPs could then legislate for a People’s Vote.

The report says yet more options may open up for MPs to force a People’s Vote, as events and possible chaos unfold. If a People’s Vote is not granted by Parliament, it will not be due to procedural impediments or a lack of time, but because MPs have chosen not to take these opportunities. After all, it is Parliament not the prime minister who is sovereign - and May is being undemocratic to suggest she can tell MPs what to do.

If there is a people's choice and the option of fully leaving the EU is not a option then democracy would have been truly subverted.

"Do you want a red ball or a blue ball?"

"Red please"

"Ok well we will give you a purple one then and if you don't want that you can have a blue ball"

"what happened to the red ball?"

"They are to expensive and hard to get hold of, so shut up and be happy with what you get. oh and by the way the blue or purple ball will never belong to you, you are just paying a subscription on it and you can only use it when all your 27 mate's agree to use it with you"

[sidicks]

jsf said:

It wasn't unanimous to raise rates in 2017 https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy-su...

I pointed that out 2 hours ago

[Russian Troll Bot]

psi310398 said:

sidicks said:

Report ‘written for People’s vote’, says it is possible to have a ‘People’s vote’...
Hmm..


Doesn’t mean it is likely to happen.

Ignoring the thorny question of which remain scenario would be presented, the report does not address what happens to politics in this country if politicians do not implement the decisive outcome of a vote, the result of which it was promised would be acted upon. Why would anybody - Remain or Leave - believe any promises made this time around? And what is stopping a further vote to reverse this one? Why do some Remainers think Leavers will just give up?

And if we do choose to remain, surely we should get another vote on the terms the EU offers us to rejoin?