Here we go again - 4 killed in BMW...

Here we go again - 4 killed in BMW...

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Camoradi

4,285 posts

255 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Gary29 said:
It always amazes me just how tough trees are.

There really is no arguing with a tree is there?
I dunno. If the tree posted on here with his version of events I reckon a few would manage it.

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Some fking disgusting comments here.

DuraAce

4,240 posts

159 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Kewy said:
Some fking disgusting comments here.
If they had stopped when the police asked them to this wouldn't have happened, would it?

They don't seem like law abiding citizens from what we know so far.

I imagine they were good lads really, promising young footballers, you know the type.

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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The irony that some people can judge people as being 'scum' based on what little info that news story gives, and that they deserve to die.

Mmmmm pretty sure anyone with that stand point can be confidently placed in the 'scum' pile. Get off your high horse.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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DuraAce said:
Kewy said:
Some fking disgusting comments here.
If they had stopped when the police asked them to this wouldn't have happened, would it?

They don't seem like law abiding citizens from what we know so far.

I imagine they were good lads really, promising young footballers, you know the type.
Are you confusing somebody thinking a few folk on here have made some pretty stty comments about multiple loss of life with endorsing the victims’ behaviour ?

Robertj21a

16,475 posts

104 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Promising footballers....

Pillars of the community....

Perfect son....

Hard working....

Goes to mosque 5 times a day......

But, despite being perfect little angels, they've decided to try to avoid stopping for the police. I wonder why that should be.

Feel sorry for the police with all the extra paperwork, enquiries etc.

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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DuraAce said:
If they had stopped when the police asked them to this wouldn't have happened, would it?

They don't seem like law abiding citizens from what we know so far.

I imagine they were good lads really, promising young footballers, you know the type.
Regardless, emotions are high, testosterone levels flowing, maybe an element of showing off, maybe it was just the driver and the other three wanted him to stop. End of the day we don't know. And there is very little that someone would have to do for me to come to the conclusion that they deserve to come to an end like that.

See the problem is, there are a lot of people in this country that look down on certain classes of people, but actually, with attitudes like some of those I see on here, they're no better. There is also an awful lot of tarring large groups of people with the same brush.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Kewy said:
The irony that some people can judge people as being 'scum' based on what little info that news story gives, and that they deserve to die.

Mmmmm pretty sure anyone with that stand point can be confidently placed in the 'scum' pile. Get off your high horse.
Social media is all about snap judgment - running away from the police at a sufficiently high speed to kill everyone in a modern car would tend to point them towards a particular type of person.


Robertj21a

16,475 posts

104 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Kewy said:
DuraAce said:
If they had stopped when the police asked them to this wouldn't have happened, would it?

They don't seem like law abiding citizens from what we know so far.

I imagine they were good lads really, promising young footballers, you know the type.
Regardless, emotions are high, testosterone levels flowing, maybe an element of showing off, maybe it was just the driver and the other three wanted him to stop. End of the day we don't know. And there is very little that someone would have to do for me to come to the conclusion that they deserve to come to an end like that.

See the problem is, there are a lot of people in this country that look down on certain classes of people, but actually, with attitudes like some of those I see on here, they're no better. There is also an awful lot of tarring large groups of people with the same brush.
At the end of the day, they're putting other people's lives at risk. I don't want any of my family or fiends killed by such idiots - so, no, I have no sympathy at all.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

122 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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I don't think the city needs bulldozing at all. It was once the Uk's 10th richest city and it shows in the buildings and heritage.

Unfortunately the Asian criminal community stand out, because they live on main roads and throughfares in the city.

The white criminal community, less so, because they tend to live on housing estates, which by their nature are tucked out of the way: having been built "out of town" in the 30's and 50's/60's.

Take Holmewood- there are literally 2-3 roads in/out of the place- its set in a rural setting and yet its virtually Europe's biggest housing estate. you cannot stumble across it by accident and the activities of the scum on there will never be obvious to you.

However the activities of the criminal Asian community will be- because 10'000's of people are driving through those Asian parts of the city- mainly to sod off to the surrounding rural villages of Bradford. So the bad driving and the wanna be gansta image really sticks out. But Joe Bloggs never really sees the bad driving and gansta life of Kayden, Bayley, Harley, Kane on Holmewood.


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/1639218...


Here you go, as if by magic, a report on shootings on Holmewood yesterday by the white community. With obligatory scrappers van on show.

Personally, black, white, pink or purple, they can all shoot/drive and kill themselves to their hearts content. None of these people are contributing to society are they. Just as long as innocent bystanders are not hurt.

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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irocfan said:
Social media is all about snap judgment - running away from the police at a sufficiently high speed to kill everyone in a modern car would tend to point them towards a particular type of person.
Maybe it does, and as the previous poster pointed out, I'm not condoning the behaviour. But to have such a blasé attitude to loss of life as can be seen in some comments on here is bordering on a mental disorder.



Robertj21a said:
At the end of the day, they're putting other people's lives at risk. I don't want any of my family or fiends killed by such idiots - so, no, I have no sympathy at all.
Perfect. I'm sure none of your friends or family have been ever known to speed on a public road, or do anything whatsoever to put another person at risk. And if they did, or ever do, then I hope they die.

Am I doing this right?

Derek Smith

45,513 posts

247 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Alucidnation said:
La Liga said:
Surely the police pursuing is 'cracking down' on them.

Fun times for the officers who could be subject to investigations / various court proceedings for years.
One would hope the dashcam they have fitted will shorten any investigations.
Let us know how that one pans out will you. I've got great hopes it'll turn out fine for the guys.


Biker 1

7,693 posts

118 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Kewy said:
Regardless, emotions are high, testosterone levels flowing, maybe an element of showing off, maybe it was just the driver and the other three wanted him to stop. End of the day we don't know. And there is very little that someone would have to do for me to come to the conclusion that they deserve to come to an end like that.

See the problem is, there are a lot of people in this country that look down on certain classes of people, but actually, with attitudes like some of those I see on here, they're no better. There is also an awful lot of tarring large groups of people with the same brush.
So let's say the feds called off the chase for testosterone/showing off reasons or whatever. Don't you think that if they'd raced off & got away with it, they'd be tempted to do it again?

The Selfish Gene

5,470 posts

209 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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WelshChris said:
... Four people dead after BMW crashes whilst being chased by the police in Bradford.

No bystanders injured this time, but when are the police going to crack down on these people? - apparently the road is a well known 'race track'.

If it were you or I etc.etc.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-450437...
One could argue chasing them to their death was absolutely the best way to crack down on them.

They certainly won't be racing down that road again will they.

Hope the police people aren't traumatised by what would have been a nasty thing to witness.

Other than that, good result assuming they're criminals.

Robertj21a

16,475 posts

104 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Kewy said:
irocfan said:
Social media is all about snap judgment - running away from the police at a sufficiently high speed to kill everyone in a modern car would tend to point them towards a particular type of person.
Maybe it does, and as the previous poster pointed out, I'm not condoning the behaviour. But to have such a blasé attitude to loss of life as can be seen in some comments on here is bordering on a mental disorder.



Robertj21a said:
At the end of the day, they're putting other people's lives at risk. I don't want any of my family or fiends killed by such idiots - so, no, I have no sympathy at all.
Perfect. I'm sure none of your friends or family have been ever known to speed on a public road, or do anything whatsoever to put another person at risk. And if they did, or ever do, then I hope they die.

Am I doing this right?
I doubt that the sort of family and friends that I have would do anything so extreme as these idiots, so I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make. I have no sympathy for anybody who treats roads with such disrespect - now do you understand ?

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Biker 1 said:
So let's say the feds called off the chase for testosterone/showing off reasons or whatever. Don't you think that if they'd raced off & got away with it, they'd be tempted to do it again?
Who knows, and I don't think the police did anything wrong. What happened after they pursued is out of their control to a certain extent. But what I do find disgusting is the attitude that they deserved it, or 'good riddance'…

I also find it hard to believe that these peoples lives are so perfect that they don't have a friend, or family, or relative of a friend that has a teenager that might wear a hoody, and get into the odd bit of trouble, and therefore I wonder how they would feel if it happened to someone a bit closer to home.

I'm sure then they would agree that 'he was a good lad at heart', or something of the like.

Derek Smith

45,513 posts

247 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Kewy said:
irocfan said:
Social media is all about snap judgment - running away from the police at a sufficiently high speed to kill everyone in a modern car would tend to point them towards a particular type of person.
Maybe it does, and as the previous poster pointed out, I'm not condoning the behaviour. But to have such a blasé attitude to loss of life as can be seen in some comments on here is bordering on a mental disorder.

Robertj21a said:
At the end of the day, they're putting other people's lives at risk. I don't want any of my family or fiends killed by such idiots - so, no, I have no sympathy at all.
Perfect. I'm sure none of your friends or family have been ever known to speed on a public road, or do anything whatsoever to put another person at risk. And if they did, or ever do, then I hope they die.

Am I doing this right?
They are dead. Nothing you nor I can say or do will hurt them.

If this turns out to be the norm in such situations, there's only one killer, and that's the chap at the wheel. He has suffered the ultimate punishment. He's taken three others with him who may or may not have encouraged the driver, but whatever they did, I bet they did not want to crash.

There's no point in sympathy for the dead. It is self-indulgent. For those they left behind the matter is somewhat different. Let's make the reasonable assumption that they are not culpable in this. Yet they will be the ones who suffer. Friends, family, loved ones; these I have sympathy for. They are going to feel the loss one way or another. In most cases where a youngster dies, the repercussions go on for years, often for the life of those bereaved.

There was more damage done at that crash than just the car; and that was totalled.


Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Robertj21a said:
I doubt that the sort of family and friends that I have would do anything so extreme as these idiots, so I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make. I have no sympathy for anybody who treats roads with such disrespect - now do you understand ?
I understand that you have some sort of personality disorder, that is about it.

I'd love for you to be in a room with the family of one of the deceased and just be like 'well they deserved it, no sympathy' – or is it just the internet where you feel comfortable voicing such opinions?

Kev_Mk3

2,739 posts

94 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Robertj21a said:
Promising footballers....

Pillars of the community....

Perfect son....

Hard working....

Goes to mosque 5 times a day......

But, despite being perfect little angels, they've decided to try to avoid stopping for the police. I wonder why that should be.

Feel sorry for the police with all the extra paperwork, enquiries etc.
exactly this

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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Kewy said:
I understand that you have some sort of personality disorder, that is about it.

I'd love for you to be in a room with the family of one of the deceased and just be like 'well they deserved it, no sympathy' – or is it just the internet where you feel comfortable voicing such opinions?
That seems an odd thing to say.

He might very well feel the people that died deserved it but would keep quiet if he met their friends and family because he didn’t want to upset them.