Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Ruskie said:
I can’t wait for Corbyn to win the next general election. The level of fuming on this thread will be legendary. The sooner he displaces May and her vile cronies the better.
You are either trolling or have allowed yourself to be brain-washed. I only see one set of vile cronies in UK politics at the moment and it's the hard left mob.What are you angry about? You live in one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth and it has never been easier to make a success of your life. What has happened in your life that makes you need to blame someone else?
Hereward said:
You are either trolling or have allowed yourself to be brain-washed. I only see one set of vile cronies in UK politics at the moment and it's the hard left mob.
What are you angry about? You live in one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth and it has never been easier to make a success of your life. What has happened in your life that makes you need to blame someone else?
If your happy for poverty especially child poverty to rise, the continuing growth of food banks, deprivation and a threadbare NHS, increased homelessness in all our inner cities, stagnant wages, excessive tuition fees for university a failing infrastructure in our transport systems be it road, rail and air etc, etc then I suppose you could call that a prosperous country, don't be upset if others disagree with you. I should also point out I am no Corbynista. What are you angry about? You live in one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth and it has never been easier to make a success of your life. What has happened in your life that makes you need to blame someone else?
Pody said:
Hereward said:
You are either trolling or have allowed yourself to be brain-washed. I only see one set of vile cronies in UK politics at the moment and it's the hard left mob.
What are you angry about? You live in one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth and it has never been easier to make a success of your life. What has happened in your life that makes you need to blame someone else?
If your happy for poverty especially child poverty to rise, the continuing growth of food banks, deprivation and a threadbare NHS, increased homelessness in all our inner cities, stagnant wages, excessive tuition fees for university a failing infrastructure in our transport systems be it road, rail and air etc, etc then I suppose you could call that a prosperous country, don't be upset if others disagree with you. I should also point out I am no Corbynista. What are you angry about? You live in one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth and it has never been easier to make a success of your life. What has happened in your life that makes you need to blame someone else?
These are people who rejoiced at the last downturn and seen it as their job to bring down capitalism. They also think Venezuela was a triumph for its people, and the only problem is it's not socialist enough!
They hate our country and would rather see it crash and burn than succeed. As long as everyone is equally poor then they will consider it job done.
Every Labour government leaves the country in a sister state than they found it.
Pody said:
If your happy for poverty especially child poverty to rise, the continuing growth of food banks, deprivation and a threadbare NHS, increased homelessness in all our inner cities, stagnant wages, excessive tuition fees for university a failing infrastructure in our transport systems be it road, rail and air etc, etc then I suppose you could call that a prosperous country, don't be upset if others disagree with you. I should also point out I am no Corbynista.
Child poverty is largely caused by pronatalist policies. We encourage people who can’t afford to have children to have them with generous benefits and bigger houses. Don’t like the council flat that the state very kindly provides FoC? Don’t worry, pop a couple of sprogs and the state will upgrade your accommodation for free. Great isn’t it!I’d read this because it suggests you are wrong anyway:
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-fact...
Why wouldn’t food banks grow? If you offer people something for free are they going to make use of it so they can spend the money elsewhere or are they going to say no thanks and carry on buying their food? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
This country is prosperous and it’s bloody easy to do well here.
98elise said:
Do you think we are going to be more or less prosperous under Corbyn and McDonnell?
These are people who rejoiced at the last downturn and seen it as their job to bring down capitalism. They also think Venezuela was a triumph for its people, and the only problem is it's not socialist enough!
They hate our country and would rather see it crash and burn than succeed. As long as everyone is equally poor then they will consider it job done.
Every Labour government leaves the country in a sister state than they found it.
Can't you read? I said I wasn't a Corbynista, if pointing out the failings in our country makes you uncomfortable, that's not my problem.These are people who rejoiced at the last downturn and seen it as their job to bring down capitalism. They also think Venezuela was a triumph for its people, and the only problem is it's not socialist enough!
They hate our country and would rather see it crash and burn than succeed. As long as everyone is equally poor then they will consider it job done.
Every Labour government leaves the country in a sister state than they found it.
Pody said:
Can't you read? I said I wasn't a Corbynista, if pointing out the failings in our country makes you uncomfortable, that's not my problem.
you could have written his speeches with that diatribe of running down this country. Oh I am not a Corbyn fan either in fact cant say there are any Politicians who are worthy of much respect
johnxjsc1985 said:
you could have written his speeches with that diatribe of running down this country.
Oh I am not a Corbyn fan either in fact cant say there are any Politicians who are worthy of much respect
It's not running down the country I'm telling the truth, the statistics I pointed out are factually correct. Oh I am not a Corbyn fan either in fact cant say there are any Politicians who are worthy of much respect
Pody said:
Can't you read? I said I wasn't a Corbynista, if pointing out the failings in our country makes you uncomfortable, that's not my problem.
Yes but this country is not failing …. measured either on it's own merit or against other first world countriesWe live in a great country with un-paralled welfare, infrastructure and services.
Following the great clusterf
k of a hospital pass of an economy passed by Labour to the Tories in 2010, the country has out performed all predictions whilst amazingly distributing more income equality 
To pick you up on food banks …. As the Roundtree foundation explained …. a 95% reduction in "absolute food poverty" the actual status of having no food to eat from 2010 to 2016 … due to the facilities of food banks,
Of course I'm not saying Labour votors prefer people to starve … only 19 out of 20 more people did under Labour only 10 years ago than now
Pody said:
Hereward said:
You are either trolling or have allowed yourself to be brain-washed. I only see one set of vile cronies in UK politics at the moment and it's the hard left mob.
What are you angry about? You live in one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth and it has never been easier to make a success of your life. What has happened in your life that makes you need to blame someone else?
If your happy for poverty especially child poverty to rise, the continuing growth of food banks, deprivation and a threadbare NHS, increased homelessness in all our inner cities, stagnant wages, excessive tuition fees for university a failing infrastructure in our transport systems be it road, rail and air etc, etc then I suppose you could call that a prosperous country, don't be upset if others disagree with you. I should also point out I am no Corbynista. What are you angry about? You live in one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth and it has never been easier to make a success of your life. What has happened in your life that makes you need to blame someone else?
What is YOUR solution? "Tax the rich"?
Yes, we have an issue - a growing class of the lazy, the weak, the self-entitled who are consuming far more than they contribute. There is a lack of responsibility for one's actions; churning out kids that the parents cannot afford in chaotic home environments; an NHS burdened by slobs who cannot control their eating, drinking and smoking and who cannot be bothered to exercise. If you think these issues can be eradicated you are very naive. In any society there will ALWAYS be an element who fall by the wayside. An economic model works best when it is primarily geared towards serving the creators/contributors.
Should we throw more money at this weaker section of society? Are you familiar with economic "Opportunity Cost"? What services will be cut so that we can throw more money at the underachievers? Ah; "Tax the Rich" - let's take more money from the successful and give it to the underachievers. But the top 1% of earners already contribute an astonishing 25% of income tax receipts. If you rinse them for yet more money they will simply move to the New York/Geneva/Singapore office and then you've killed the goose that laid the golden egg. And then there will be even LESS money available to throw at the downtrodden. Ah; print more money. No, we know what history has taught us down that path.
Any structure where capital is forcibly transferred from the useful to the useless is doomed to failure. An economic model that punishes success and rewards failure is no way to sustainably run any nation. I am reminded of PDVSA, the Venezuelan state oil company. Over many years its net profits were siphoned off and distributed to the poor to secure votes. The long term implications were chronic under investment in oil production and now the company is effectively useless. "Socialism is always fine until other people's money runs out". The cash-cow was killed. The sports team analogy works well here too. Pull your weight or you will be dropped. Why punish the good players and reward the underachievers?
Have you travelled the world much? I hope you get the chance. There are wonderful countries out there but my travels always reinforce my view that we live in a great, great nation blessed with opportunities and freedoms in a stable environment where you can make a decent life for yourself. Why do you think so many people have moved here over the years?!
Hereward said:
Oh I agree with you, we have issues in this nation. Why would I be "upset" by your opinion?
What is YOUR solution? "Tax the rich"?
Yes, we have an issue - a growing class of the lazy, the weak, the self-entitled who are consuming far more than they contribute. There is a lack of responsibility for one's actions; churning out kids that the parents cannot afford in chaotic home environments; an NHS burdened by slobs who cannot control their eating, drinking and smoking and who cannot be bothered to exercise. If you think these issues can be eradicated you are very naive. In any society there will ALWAYS be an element who fall by the wayside. An economic model works best when it is primarily geared towards serving the creators/contributors.
Should we throw more money at this weaker section of society? Are you familiar with economic "Opportunity Cost"? What services will be cut so that we can throw more money at the underachievers? Ah; "Tax the Rich" - let's take more money from the successful and give it to the underachievers. But the top 1% of earners already contribute an astonishing 25% of income tax receipts. If you rinse them for yet more money they will simply move to the New York/Geneva/Singapore office and then you've killed the goose that laid the golden egg. And then there will be even LESS money available to throw at the downtrodden. Ah; print more money. No, we know what history has taught us down that path.
Any structure where capital is forcibly transferred from the useful to the useless is doomed to failure. An economic model that punishes success and rewards failure is no way to sustainably run any nation. I am reminded of PDVSA, the Venezuelan state oil company. Over many years its net profits were siphoned off and distributed to the poor to secure votes. The long term implications were chronic under investment in oil production and now the company is effectively useless. "Socialism is always fine until other people's money runs out". The cash-cow was killed. The sports team analogy works well here too. Pull your weight or you will be dropped. Why punish the good players and reward the underachievers?
Have you travelled the world much? I hope you get the chance. There are wonderful countries out there but my travels always reinforce my view that we live in a great, great nation blessed with opportunities and freedoms in a stable environment where you can make a decent life for yourself. Why do you think so many people have moved here over the years?!
Very well summed up. Regarding fixing the U.K., I can’t see where to start, particularly in an environment with incompetent politicians, with barely any real life experience between them, let alone a track record of having run anything. What is YOUR solution? "Tax the rich"?
Yes, we have an issue - a growing class of the lazy, the weak, the self-entitled who are consuming far more than they contribute. There is a lack of responsibility for one's actions; churning out kids that the parents cannot afford in chaotic home environments; an NHS burdened by slobs who cannot control their eating, drinking and smoking and who cannot be bothered to exercise. If you think these issues can be eradicated you are very naive. In any society there will ALWAYS be an element who fall by the wayside. An economic model works best when it is primarily geared towards serving the creators/contributors.
Should we throw more money at this weaker section of society? Are you familiar with economic "Opportunity Cost"? What services will be cut so that we can throw more money at the underachievers? Ah; "Tax the Rich" - let's take more money from the successful and give it to the underachievers. But the top 1% of earners already contribute an astonishing 25% of income tax receipts. If you rinse them for yet more money they will simply move to the New York/Geneva/Singapore office and then you've killed the goose that laid the golden egg. And then there will be even LESS money available to throw at the downtrodden. Ah; print more money. No, we know what history has taught us down that path.
Any structure where capital is forcibly transferred from the useful to the useless is doomed to failure. An economic model that punishes success and rewards failure is no way to sustainably run any nation. I am reminded of PDVSA, the Venezuelan state oil company. Over many years its net profits were siphoned off and distributed to the poor to secure votes. The long term implications were chronic under investment in oil production and now the company is effectively useless. "Socialism is always fine until other people's money runs out". The cash-cow was killed. The sports team analogy works well here too. Pull your weight or you will be dropped. Why punish the good players and reward the underachievers?
Have you travelled the world much? I hope you get the chance. There are wonderful countries out there but my travels always reinforce my view that we live in a great, great nation blessed with opportunities and freedoms in a stable environment where you can make a decent life for yourself. Why do you think so many people have moved here over the years?!
I can’t help but feel we have a nation of fat, entitled, success hating morons who are just trying to drag us down to the lowest common denomination, having been brainwashed by dim witted sound bites from the left.
Pody said:
98elise said:
Do you think we are going to be more or less prosperous under Corbyn and McDonnell?
These are people who rejoiced at the last downturn and seen it as their job to bring down capitalism. They also think Venezuela was a triumph for its people, and the only problem is it's not socialist enough!
They hate our country and would rather see it crash and burn than succeed. As long as everyone is equally poor then they will consider it job done.
Every Labour government leaves the country in a sister state than they found it.
Can't you read? I said I wasn't a Corbynista, if pointing out the failings in our country makes you uncomfortable, that's not my problem.These are people who rejoiced at the last downturn and seen it as their job to bring down capitalism. They also think Venezuela was a triumph for its people, and the only problem is it's not socialist enough!
They hate our country and would rather see it crash and burn than succeed. As long as everyone is equally poor then they will consider it job done.
Every Labour government leaves the country in a sister state than they found it.
You seemed to be justifying why a Corbyn government would be a good thing.
I simply asked if you think it will be better under Corbyn.
Labour generally f
k things up every time they are in power. Corbyn and his cronies will fk it up beyond belief.Corbyn and McDonnell are big fans of what happened in Venezuela. It's a country with huge natural resources yet it's now so f
ked up that they are eating the zoo animalshttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-anima...
All we have to moan about is a few food banks and the 8:15 to Cannon Street being 10 minutes late.
98elise said:
Really...
You seemed to be justifying why a Corbyn government would be a good thing.
I simply asked if you think it will be better under Corbyn.
Labour generally fk things up every time they are in power. Corbyn and his cronies will fk it up beyond belief.
Corbyn and McDonnell are big fans of what happened in Venezuela. It's a country with huge natural resources yet it's now so fked up that they are eating the zoo animals
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-anima...
All we have to moan about is a few food banks and the 8:15 to Cannon Street being 10 minutes late.
At least they'd solve our obesity problems thoughYou seemed to be justifying why a Corbyn government would be a good thing.
I simply asked if you think it will be better under Corbyn.
Labour generally f
k things up every time they are in power. Corbyn and his cronies will fk it up beyond belief.Corbyn and McDonnell are big fans of what happened in Venezuela. It's a country with huge natural resources yet it's now so f
ked up that they are eating the zoo animalshttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-anima...
All we have to moan about is a few food banks and the 8:15 to Cannon Street being 10 minutes late.
I'm reading the diaries of a musician. He states he was raised a socialist, dad was something in unions.
They had a rule that whoever played on the demo of a song everyone got an equal cut. This was great and very equal.
Then someone left.
Then they had some more success.
So the third album is coming and mr no longer in the band is getting 25% of everything and the replacement and rest are sharing the other 75% there are now 5 of them as well.
Mr musician is now pisse doff with this arrangement as he is lead singer, guitarist, songwriter and obviously as singer doing the majority of the promo work as well.
In summary, he realised that socialism is alright in theory when everyone is putting in the same effort. In practice it is a load of bks and doesn't work.
They had a rule that whoever played on the demo of a song everyone got an equal cut. This was great and very equal.
Then someone left.
Then they had some more success.
So the third album is coming and mr no longer in the band is getting 25% of everything and the replacement and rest are sharing the other 75% there are now 5 of them as well.
Mr musician is now pisse doff with this arrangement as he is lead singer, guitarist, songwriter and obviously as singer doing the majority of the promo work as well.
In summary, he realised that socialism is alright in theory when everyone is putting in the same effort. In practice it is a load of b
ks and doesn't work.98elise said:
Really...
You seemed to be justifying why a Corbyn government would be a good thing.
I simply asked if you think it will be better under Corbyn.
Labour generally fk things up every time they are in power. Corbyn and his cronies will fk it up beyond belief.
Corbyn and McDonnell are big fans of what happened in Venezuela. It's a country with huge natural resources yet it's now so fked up that they are eating the zoo animals
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-anima...
All we have to moan about is a few food banks and the 8:15 to Cannon Street being 10 minutes late.
I might vote Corbyn just to try the roast flamingo having read that article.You seemed to be justifying why a Corbyn government would be a good thing.
I simply asked if you think it will be better under Corbyn.
Labour generally f
k things up every time they are in power. Corbyn and his cronies will fk it up beyond belief.Corbyn and McDonnell are big fans of what happened in Venezuela. It's a country with huge natural resources yet it's now so f
ked up that they are eating the zoo animalshttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-anima...
All we have to moan about is a few food banks and the 8:15 to Cannon Street being 10 minutes late.
T6 vanman said:
Pody said:
Can't you read? I said I wasn't a Corbynista, if pointing out the failings in our country makes you uncomfortable, that's not my problem.
Yes but this country is not failing …. measured either on it's own merit or against other first world countriesWe live in a great country with un-paralled welfare, infrastructure and services.
Following the great clusterf
k of a hospital pass of an economy passed by Labour to the Tories in 2010, the country has out performed all predictions whilst amazingly distributing more income equality To pick you up on food banks …. As the Roundtree foundation explained …. a 95% reduction in "absolute food poverty" the actual status of having no food to eat from 2010 to 2016 … due to the facilities of food banks,
Of course I'm not saying Labour votors prefer people to starve … only 19 out of 20 more people did under Labour only 10 years ago than now
I am eligible to pay, but often don't pay any. I suspect that a large number of the million, or so, self-employed in the "gig economy" will be in a similar position.
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