Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

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Balmoral

31,466 posts

187 months

Sunday 20th January
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A fair while ago there was a UKIP lady on the Andrew Marr show, she came across as quite sane and normal, didn't struggle with anything, talked sense, and I was quite impressed and surprised. I was hoping that this Catherine Blaiklock was her. Unfortunately not, having just been googling her, from the articles I've seen so far, she's an ex kipper/tory nutter. Just a few days ago she was saying that food banks cause obesity and that poor people can't cook.

How very disappointing.

Still, they say play the ball and not the man. Let's see who else is with them, big beasts wise.

Edited by Balmoral on Sunday 20th January 20:29

Vanden Saab

1,856 posts

13 months

Sunday 20th January
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alfie2244 said:
Thanks for that thumbup

Any website link yet for this new "The Brexit Party"?
You really don't want to... I don't think the new Brexit party will show itself until after the result of the current fk up has been resolved one way or another...As for the Lib Dems they have no chance their vote will be split 3 ways...

don'tbesilly

7,168 posts

102 months

Sunday 20th January
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Burwood said:
This new Farage party will only hurt Labour. Happy days
I've voted Tory in every GE since being able to vote, never once been tempted by UKIP and NF.

I think if the party does get off the ground you'll be in for a surprise

Tony427

1,985 posts

172 months

Sunday 20th January
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Let us just assume that the Brexit Party comes into being.

Whilst also remembering that just the whiff of UKIPS success made Cameron promise a referendum..

Leave Voting Tory MP's in Leave voting constituencies will be safe. Remain voting Tory MP's in Leave voting Constituencies will be toast. Reselections will be brutal and quick. If you are marginal and a Remainer your days are truly numbered.

Leave Voting Labour MP's in Leave voting constitiencies will be safe as long as the Labour Party guarantee's Brexit.

If Labour under Momentum , and the Remain leaning politburo, do not guarantee Brexit any Labour MP is at risk. There will be carnage. Labour will have most to lose. Corbyn is unelectable and the party has been hijacked.

LibDems may well pick up in cosmopolitan Remain voting areas

And the funny thing is, the Brexit party doesn't really have to do anything, they just have to be there. Like a big, brooding menace.

The threat will be enough.

Just when you think that there are too many variables in the political sphere, up come some more.

Brilliant.

Tony









Burwood

11,371 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th January
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don'tbesilly said:
Burwood said:
This new Farage party will only hurt Labour. Happy days
I've voted Tory in every GE since being able to vote, never once been tempted by UKIP and NF.

I think if the party does get off the ground you'll be in for a surprise
I don’t follow. You’re a dyed in the wool Tory, as I am. Where’s the surprise smile
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Tony427

1,985 posts

172 months

Sunday 20th January
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Burwood said:
don'tbesilly said:
Burwood said:
This new Farage party will only hurt Labour. Happy days
I've voted Tory in every GE since being able to vote, never once been tempted by UKIP and NF.

I think if the party does get off the ground you'll be in for a surprise
I don’t follow. You’re a dyed in the wool Tory, as I am. Where’s the surprise smile
I think he's saying that even he as a dyed in the wool Tory, he may vote for them if they get their act together.

The surprise is that established Tory voters could defect.

I think. Or I may be due a parrot.

Cheers,

Tony

Burwood

11,371 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th January
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Tony427 said:
Burwood said:
don'tbesilly said:
Burwood said:
This new Farage party will only hurt Labour. Happy days
I've voted Tory in every GE since being able to vote, never once been tempted by UKIP and NF.

I think if the party does get off the ground you'll be in for a surprise
I don’t follow. You’re a dyed in the wool Tory, as I am. Where’s the surprise smile
I think he's saying that even he as a dyed in the wool Tory, he may vote for them if they get their act together.

The surprise is that established Tory voters could defect.

I think. Or I may be due a parrot.

Cheers,

Tony
I guess he is saying that. Cheers

Vanden Saab

1,856 posts

13 months

Sunday 20th January
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Tony427 said:
Let us just assume that the Brexit Party comes into being.

Whilst also remembering that just the whiff of UKIPS success made Cameron promise a referendum..

Leave Voting Tory MP's in Leave voting constituencies will be safe. Remain voting Tory MP's in Leave voting Constituencies will be toast. Reselections will be brutal and quick. If you are marginal and a Remainer your days are truly numbered.

Leave Voting Labour MP's in Leave voting constitiencies will be safe as long as the Labour Party guarantee's Brexit.

If Labour under Momentum , and the Remain leaning politburo, do not guarantee Brexit any Labour MP is at risk. There will be carnage. Labour will have most to lose. Corbyn is unelectable and the party has been hijacked.

LibDems may well pick up in cosmopolitan Remain voting areas

And the funny thing is, the Brexit party doesn't really have to do anything, they just have to be there. Like a big, brooding menace.

The threat will be enough.

Just when you think that there are too many variables in the political sphere, up come some more.

Brilliant.

Tony
We will have to agree to disagree, I cannot see either Labour or the Tories candidates being believed if having cancelled Brexit they then proceeded to put leaving the EU in their next manifesto, even the leave voting ones... Once bitten and all that...

alfie2244

9,464 posts

127 months

Sunday 20th January
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Vanden Saab said:
alfie2244 said:
Thanks for that thumbup

Any website link yet for this new "The Brexit Party"?
You really don't want to... I don't think the new Brexit party will show itself until after the result of the current fk up has been resolved one way or another...As for the Lib Dems they have no chance their vote will be split 3 ways...
No I really do...........I do wonder if a No Brexit will spawn numerous new pro Brexit parties rather than just the one that, IMO, is required to form a real threat to the Labour / Tory stranglehold. So I would want to know as much as I could about each one of them before they get my support wink

I do think you are right about the Libdems though.....well I hope so as I Live in Bath.

don'tbesilly

7,168 posts

102 months

Sunday 20th January
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Tony427 said:
Burwood said:
don'tbesilly said:
Burwood said:
This new Farage party will only hurt Labour. Happy days
I've voted Tory in every GE since being able to vote, never once been tempted by UKIP and NF.

I think if the party does get off the ground you'll be in for a surprise
I don’t follow. You’re a dyed in the wool Tory, as I am. Where’s the surprise smile
I think he's saying that even he as a dyed in the wool Tory, he may vote for them if they get their act together.

The surprise is that established Tory voters could defect.

I think. Or I may be due a parrot.

Cheers,

Tony
There are no parrots currently on a flight path wink

Quite a few Tories have hit the nail on the head recently, Rees-Mogg and Brandon Lewis being two examples.

Both have remarked about Tory voters being betrayed, or feeling as though they have, and will just stay at home in any forthcoming GE, no need now, as there is a reason to get out of bed, if only to vote for a party just the once!

Balmoral

31,466 posts

187 months

Sunday 20th January
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There appear to be three already, anymore?

UKIP
The Brexit Party
The Sovereign Party

alfie2244

9,464 posts

127 months

Sunday 20th January
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Balmoral said:
There appear to be three already, anymore?

UKIP
The Brexit Party
The Sovereign Party
http://thepatrioticalliance.co.uk/wp-content/themes/thepatrioticalliance/maintenance.php

Balmoral

31,466 posts

187 months

Sunday 20th January
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Appears to be a South African outfit run by a former bank robber.

alfie2244

9,464 posts

127 months

Sunday 20th January
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Balmoral said:
Appears to be a South African outfit run by a former bank robber.
laugh

irocfan

18,609 posts

129 months

Sunday 20th January
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alfie2244 said:
as soon as I read stuff like 'patriotic' whatever I run in the other direction since to me it just sounds like another front for the nutters of the right

don'tbesilly

7,168 posts

102 months

Sunday 20th January
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Vanden Saab said:
Tony427 said:
Let us just assume that the Brexit Party comes into being.

Whilst also remembering that just the whiff of UKIPS success made Cameron promise a referendum..

Leave Voting Tory MP's in Leave voting constituencies will be safe. Remain voting Tory MP's in Leave voting Constituencies will be toast. Reselections will be brutal and quick. If you are marginal and a Remainer your days are truly numbered.

Leave Voting Labour MP's in Leave voting constitiencies will be safe as long as the Labour Party guarantee's Brexit.

If Labour under Momentum , and the Remain leaning politburo, do not guarantee Brexit any Labour MP is at risk. There will be carnage. Labour will have most to lose. Corbyn is unelectable and the party has been hijacked.

LibDems may well pick up in cosmopolitan Remain voting areas

And the funny thing is, the Brexit party doesn't really have to do anything, they just have to be there. Like a big, brooding menace.

The threat will be enough.

Just when you think that there are too many variables in the political sphere, up come some more.

Brilliant.

Tony
We will have to agree to disagree, I cannot see either Labour or the Tories candidates being believed if having cancelled Brexit they then proceeded to put leaving the EU in their next manifesto, even the leave voting ones... Once bitten and all that...
This.

I gave Cameron the benefit of the doubt, and rather than stay in bed made the effort, the only good thing he achieved was the referendum, and despite his pledge to hang around to see through the result, he was gone within hours of it.

May sung all the right songs, but as July displayed, her lyrics whilst previously having been written by the very Dept she set up to write them, May had changed the lyricists without telling the Dept, and the lyrics had been altered beyond all recognition.

The Tories have blown it in my eyes, and with alternative/s now coming into play, my vote will go elsewhere, if not it's a duvet day.

alfie2244

9,464 posts

127 months

Sunday 20th January
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irocfan said:
alfie2244 said:
as soon as I read stuff like 'patriotic' whatever I run in the other direction since to me it just sounds like another front for the nutters of the right
It shouldn't matter as there is nothing wrong with being patriotic............ however you may well be right in that it is likely to be hijacked by the extremist nutters so probably not a good name..........in fact a quick google shows that it appears they have already tried.

Tony427

1,985 posts

172 months

Sunday 20th January
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don'tbesilly said:
This.

I gave Cameron the benefit of the doubt, and rather than stay in bed made the effort, the only good thing he achieved was the referendum, and despite his pledge to hang around to see through the result, he was gone within hours of it.

May sung all the right songs, but as July displayed, her lyrics whilst previously having been written by the very Dept she set up to write them, May had changed the lyricists without telling the Dept, and the lyrics had been altered beyond all recognition.

The Tories have blown it in my eyes, and with alternative/s now coming into play, my vote will go elsewhere, if not it's a duvet day.
You guys may be right and it may be even worse for incumbent political parties than I think. I was thinking about the way the current land lies. Looking at the bigger picture, absoltely every constituency is up for grabs in reality. Unless the Tories, and it will be them, grab the problem and wrestle Brexit away from the remainers , every party will be both tarnished by the failure to provide Brexit and the duplicity they used to bring the ignominious result about.

If people lose all belief in political parties, and if Brexit is cancelled that may well be the result, than armagedon for the establishment or something worse ( whats worse than armagedon) is the likely result.

Just imagine PM Nigel going in to negotiate our leaving agreement with the EU.

" You laughed at me once, you're not laughing now". Take 2.

I'd buy tickets.

Cheers,

Tony

Vanden Saab

1,856 posts

13 months

Sunday 20th January
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alfie2244 said:
Vanden Saab said:
alfie2244 said:
Thanks for that thumbup

Any website link yet for this new "The Brexit Party"?
You really don't want to... I don't think the new Brexit party will show itself until after the result of the current fk up has been resolved one way or another...As for the Lib Dems they have no chance their vote will be split 3 ways...
No I really do...........I do wonder if a No Brexit will spawn numerous new pro Brexit parties rather than just the one that, IMO, is required to form a real threat to the Labour / Tory stranglehold. So I would want to know as much as I could about each one of them before they get my support wink

I do think you are right about the Libdems though.....well I hope so as I Live in Bath.
The only new parties I have come across so far all have, shall we say, right leaning links no good if you want to attract both sides and the middle.... I think the new party will be a mix of labour and tory leavers with some newbies and hopefully a new, bright, charismatic leader in the macron mould but without the establishment links.

Balmoral

31,466 posts

187 months

Sunday 20th January
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Something like the Vote Leave team, not the real one, the one in the movie with Cumberbatch.