Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
This.
I gave Cameron the benefit of the doubt, and rather than stay in bed made the effort, the only good thing he achieved was the referendum, and despite his pledge to hang around to see through the result, he was gone within hours of it.
May sung all the right songs, but as July displayed, her lyrics whilst previously having been written by the very Dept she set up to write them, May had changed the lyricists without telling the Dept, and the lyrics had been altered beyond all recognition.
The Tories have blown it in my eyes, and with alternative/s now coming into play, my vote will go elsewhere, if not it's a duvet day.
You guys may be right and it may be even worse for incumbent political parties than I think. I was thinking about the way the current land lies. Looking at the bigger picture, absoltely every constituency is up for grabs in reality. Unless the Tories, and it will be them, grab the problem and wrestle Brexit away from the remainers , every party will be both tarnished by the failure to provide Brexit and the duplicity they used to bring the ignominious result about. I gave Cameron the benefit of the doubt, and rather than stay in bed made the effort, the only good thing he achieved was the referendum, and despite his pledge to hang around to see through the result, he was gone within hours of it.
May sung all the right songs, but as July displayed, her lyrics whilst previously having been written by the very Dept she set up to write them, May had changed the lyricists without telling the Dept, and the lyrics had been altered beyond all recognition.
The Tories have blown it in my eyes, and with alternative/s now coming into play, my vote will go elsewhere, if not it's a duvet day.
If people lose all belief in political parties, and if Brexit is cancelled that may well be the result, than armagedon for the establishment or something worse ( whats worse than armagedon) is the likely result.
Just imagine PM Nigel going in to negotiate our leaving agreement with the EU.
" You laughed at me once, you're not laughing now". Take 2.
I'd buy tickets.
Cheers,
Tony
alfie2244 said:
Vanden Saab said:
alfie2244 said:
Thanks for that 
Any website link yet for this new "The Brexit Party"?
You really don't want to... I don't think the new Brexit party will show itself until after the result of the current fAny website link yet for this new "The Brexit Party"?
k up has been resolved one way or another...As for the Lib Dems they have no chance their vote will be split 3 ways...
I do think you are right about the Libdems though.....well I hope so as I Live in Bath.
Vanden Saab said:
The only new parties I have come across so far all have, shall we say, right leaning links no good if you want to attract both sides and the middle.... I think the new party will be a mix of labour and tory leavers with some newbies and hopefully a new, bright, charismatic leader in the macron mould but without the establishment links.
Macron was an establishment Patsy put in to keep the populace happy as you suggest. He has now been exposed for what he is and the very first opportunity the French people have to show their displeasure at the ballot box, instead of on the streets, will be in the may MEP elections.
Expect a rout.
Who can lead the UK anti establishment party ? Havent a clue.
I just know theres a huge opportunity going begging and theres no one who can grab it as yet.
Cheers,
Tony
Vanden Saab said:
The only new parties I have come across so far all have, shall we say, right leaning links no good if you want to attract both sides and the middle.... I think the new party will be a mix of labour and tory leavers with some newbies and hopefully a new, bright, charismatic leader in the macron mould but without the establishment links.
"the Macron mould"LOL, what is the public's level of support for Merkel's petting puppy....23% ?
Laughable. He has just broken Eu fiscal rules to pay the Fire Brigade to put out the fires set by millions of Yellow Jackets who can only be policed by thuggish paramilitary police who he had to break Eu fiscal rules to pay more to prevent them joining the Yellow Jackets.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Sunday 20th January 22:15
alfie2244 said:
Balmoral said:
Perhaps we could have a go?
P.H.P.P...............Piston Head Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Sunday 20th January 22:17
Gargamel said:
Had a certain Tony Blair allowed a referendum on the Yraty of Lisbon instead of signing it in a back room out of sight of the cameras and then running away, Farage and UKIP would be a distant dream.
The Irish won concessions when they rebelled on Lisbon, the UK May have been able to do similar
It was the shambles of Lisbon that led to a need to have a referendum.
Goes back further than that, it was John Major signing the Maastricht Treaty in 1992, that created the EU and that's where the problems started. We obviously didn't get a vote on that, the French did have a referendum and voted 50.8% Yes and that was that, done and dusted, no moaning about no clear will of the people, all over never to be asked again. Of course the Danes also voted but voted No so that result wasn't accepted and they had to vote again.The Irish won concessions when they rebelled on Lisbon, the UK May have been able to do similar
It was the shambles of Lisbon that led to a need to have a referendum.
Putting the EU and democracy in the same sentence is a joke
Norfolkit said:
Gargamel said:
Had a certain Tony Blair allowed a referendum on the Yraty of Lisbon instead of signing it in a back room out of sight of the cameras and then running away, Farage and UKIP would be a distant dream.
The Irish won concessions when they rebelled on Lisbon, the UK May have been able to do similar
It was the shambles of Lisbon that led to a need to have a referendum.
Goes back further than that, it was John Major signing the Maastricht Treaty in 1992, that created the EU and that's where the problems started. We obviously didn't get a vote on that, the French did have a referendum and voted 50.8% Yes and that was that, done and dusted, no moaning about no clear will of the people, all over never to be asked again. Of course the Danes also voted but voted No so that result wasn't accepted and they had to vote again.The Irish won concessions when they rebelled on Lisbon, the UK May have been able to do similar
It was the shambles of Lisbon that led to a need to have a referendum.
Putting the EU and democracy in the same sentence is a joke
That situation was just about corrected when the people of the UK were given a vote on the matter in 1975, but by not informing the people of the UK at the time, (despite as some have pointed out there was a `plan' extant then) what that would lead to, was possibly when the backlash against the UK`s EU membership really started.
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As for your last sentence, absolutely spot on. What worries me is how so few in the UK seem to be aware of how the people of the UK were slimed into the EU without their consent, and how such a large number now seem to want to over turn the result of the only democratic vote they have ever been given on the matter of the UK`s membership of the EU.
kev1974 said:
Ha ha Mrs May is making Jezza look like a right sulky five year old with her repeated references to his continued refusal to talk about Brexit 
Given the major stick people use to hit Labour with is a charge of economic incompetence, his brill idea of going back for more negotiations, but crucially going in having already promised not to walk away, no matter how stinky the deal, is pretty remarkably incompetent.I very much hope Jeremy decides he'd like to buy my house, and pledges 'No No Deal' before we start haggling.
.com/category/jeremy-corbyn/Was sent this link, Title: Corbyn collects his and his cabinets thoughts..FANTASTIC music
I should have known better, strangely soporific however
https://youtu.be/sTMTOkcxuoM?t=509
I should have known better, strangely soporific however
https://youtu.be/sTMTOkcxuoM?t=509
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Tuesday 22 January 23:50
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