Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
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I had a couple working for me for a while who were always very eager to get away as early as possible, I didn't mind this as they were pretty good workers, it was basically cleaning and I was paying them 80 a day each.
After a while I asked another bloke who lived with them why the desperate rush everyday, he said they always went to the food bank after work.
After a while I asked another bloke who lived with them why the desperate rush everyday, he said they always went to the food bank after work.
Pody said:
I do apologise to the moderators if that post was long winded, it was my intention to summarise it but I'm not used to this posting system, it makes interesting reading which some will no doubt blame on the something for nothing culture in Dumfries 
the beauty of forums is that there is no problem with being long-winded - fill your boots old chapbr d said:
I had a couple working for me for a while who were always very eager to get away as early as possible, I didn't mind this as they were pretty good workers, it was basically cleaning and I was paying them 80 a day each.
After a while I asked another bloke who lived with them why the desperate rush everyday, he said they always went to the food bank after work.
Well that was false information, in order to access a food bank you need a voucher from the DWP or Social Services, you get one food parcel for one week ONCE in three weeks and that is all, you need to have it confirmed you have no money and no benefit to sadly qualify, you either made that up or your friend is a liar, which one? You just turn up and get a box of food? Daily? Yeah, you also get a packet of fags and six cans of beer, but only on Friday. After a while I asked another bloke who lived with them why the desperate rush everyday, he said they always went to the food bank after work.
Edited by Pody on Tuesday 21st August 17:54
Pody said:
Anyway. Things are changing. All of a sudden the old 'Value' ranges are slowly shrinking and disappearing. And I am sure you can guess what is coming next. Oh yeah. Here's what happens next.
July 2017 - 500g of Tesco Value Range Corn Flakes - 31p
July 2018 - 500g of Tesco Own Brand Corn Flakes - 55p
Same product, different box. A cool 77.5% increase.
July 2017 - One packet of Tesco Value Custard - 20p
July 2018 - One packet of Tesco Own Brand Instant Custard - 40p
Same product, different packet. A cool 100% increase.
Now this hasn't happened with every product. But it has happened with most of the stuff we buy in. A similar comparison of the prices on branded, non 'Value' products would probably show a 3% increase along the lines of what the government is telling us.
Off topic slightly, but yes if I look at the main food items I buy probably 3% is about right in terms of inflation. Chickens are actually cheaper than they were a couple of years back, fruit prices seem to have gone up a bit.July 2017 - 500g of Tesco Value Range Corn Flakes - 31p
July 2018 - 500g of Tesco Own Brand Corn Flakes - 55p
Same product, different box. A cool 77.5% increase.
July 2017 - One packet of Tesco Value Custard - 20p
July 2018 - One packet of Tesco Own Brand Instant Custard - 40p
Same product, different packet. A cool 100% increase.
Now this hasn't happened with every product. But it has happened with most of the stuff we buy in. A similar comparison of the prices on branded, non 'Value' products would probably show a 3% increase along the lines of what the government is telling us.
I wonder if the "value" own brand stuff was a loss leader to get people through the doors and the supermarkets have changed their pricing strategies.
A.J.M said:
STV news update for tonight at 6.
Comrade Corbyn says to prepare for a general election....
Is the dear leader onto something that we don’t know of. Or is he talking s
te again.
Question: when does Comrade Corbyn ever not talk sComrade Corbyn says to prepare for a general election....
Is the dear leader onto something that we don’t know of. Or is he talking s
te again.te? That'll be the same Corbyn who said "prepare for government" just after Labour received a bit of a drubbing after the 2017 election?It's my understanding - more than happy to be proved wrong - that to force a general election before the next scheduled one in 2022, 2/3rds of MPs would have to vote for one... can't see the Conservatives playing along with that after May's gamble last time aside from a vote of no confidence (unless of course they want to pass the poisoned Brexit chalice over to Labour).
Pody said:
Food parcels out - Up 10%
Food donations in - down 10%
Cost of bought in food - Up 100%
Now maths has never been one of the big guns in my armoury, but these stats suggest to me that on average, the cost of the items we buy in must have gone up by 80%.
This is highly misleading- the rise in cost of the stuff bought in will vary massively acording to the ratio of bought to donated. The higher the amount of donated, the greater the rise to cover any shortfall.Food donations in - down 10%
Cost of bought in food - Up 100%
Now maths has never been one of the big guns in my armoury, but these stats suggest to me that on average, the cost of the items we buy in must have gone up by 80%.
Eg Originally £9 donated, £1 bought. Later £8 donated, £2 bought. An 11% drop in donations leads to a 100% rise in buying costs, even with zero rise in the cost of the specific item.
Anything after this part of the post is based on a false presumption and bloody awful 'socialist mathematics'.
Pody said:
Well that was false information, in order to access a food bank you need a voucher from the DWP or Social Services, you get one food parcel for one week ONCE in three weeks and that is all, you need to have it confirmed you have no money and no benefit to sadly qualify, you either made that up or your friend is a liar, which one? You just turn up and get a box of food? Daily? Yeah, you also get a packet of fags and six cans of beer, but only on Friday.
It wasn't my friend, it was their friend, so take it how you like.Edited by Pody on Tuesday 21st August 17:54
johnxjsc1985 said:
irocfan said:
Many of whose parents drink and/or smoke, have mahoosive TV sets etc etc
Don't think your supposed to answer with the truth a bit like foodbanks being attended by extremely fat people. When a family of four kids mum and dad have their rent and other expenses paid and still have time to have two holidays two cars etc all on benefits then I wont shed a tear because it takes probably 4 hard working people's taxes to keep them in their lifestyle.http://theconversation.com/its-poverty-not-individ...
‘The point is that we need to collectively tackle the places where obesity germs breed – in stressed communities characterised by insecure and erratic employment, inadequate education, stress, depression and a lack of social cohesion. That this requires an enormous shift in public priorities is only to be expected – but the consequences of not acting are far worse.’
how much intervention should a Government have in an adults life though. My example is real I know this person and others like them and they thrive on Benefits as do their Children. How can people who run two Cars need a foodbank how can people who have two Holidays a year all on benefits need a food bank. The problem is their Children see the life on Benefits as a good one and so much easier than working for a living. At the other end of the scale I know someone who is very disabled they have a full time responsible position they are married have a mortgage and Children but their taxes go to keep people at home and send them on holiday its a joke
Pody said:
Stuff
I thought it was a very well argued piece, until you wrote "lunatic Tory Brexit", then I stopped reading - sorry, but if you are going to make a well structured argument and then say something like that, you will lose floating voters like me.It's a Tory Brexit because the UK voted for Brexit and then the UK voted in a Tory government to deliver it. Don't like it, move to Venezuela and get a government of Corbyn's choice. You wouldn't be worried about 100% inflation then, you'll be grabbing the cornflakes and beans off the shelves quicker than a Hooray Henry can grab the last avocado in Fortnum and Mason's.
pingu393 said:
Pody said:
Stuff
I thought it was a very well argued piece, until you wrote "lunatic Tory Brexit", then I stopped reading - sorry, but if you are going to make a well structured argument and then say something like that, you will lose floating voters like me.It's a Tory Brexit because the UK voted for Brexit and then the UK voted in a Tory government to deliver it. Don't like it, move to Venezuela and get a government of Corbyn's choice. You wouldn't be worried about 100% inflation then, you'll be grabbing the cornflakes and beans off the shelves quicker than a Hooray Henry can grab the last avocado in Fortnum and Mason's.
Ruskie said:
Or move to Denmark where a socialist model works perfectly well.
Danish PM said:
I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.
Huffpost said:
..the quality of the free education and health care Danes receive is far from great. Their PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) educational rankings are just average, they have the lowest life expectancy in the EU aside from former communist countries, and the highest rates of death from cancer in the world.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.htmlEdited by Herr Schnell on Tuesday 21st August 23:29
Ruskie said:
Again, your prejudice and small minded attitude highlights what I am saying.
http://theconversation.com/its-poverty-not-individ...
‘The point is that we need to collectively tackle the places where obesity germs breed – in stressed communities characterised by insecure and erratic employment, inadequate education, stress, depression and a lack of social cohesion. That this requires an enormous shift in public priorities is only to be expected – but the consequences of not acting are far worse.’
About 15 years ago a work colleague said to me " we've seen the best of this Wotld " and his comment was very prescient.http://theconversation.com/its-poverty-not-individ...
‘The point is that we need to collectively tackle the places where obesity germs breed – in stressed communities characterised by insecure and erratic employment, inadequate education, stress, depression and a lack of social cohesion. That this requires an enormous shift in public priorities is only to be expected – but the consequences of not acting are far worse.’
Thing is .......we will probably bumble along, plastering over the cracks.
If Labour had a more credible leader they'd might have won the last election or might even the next despite Corbyn's best efforts to claw defeat out of the hands of a victory.
Probably depends how the Tory's handle or mishandle Brexit and that's a poisoned chalice.
Trump will probably be re elected for a second term and then that bubble will burst.
So we're probably in for a rough ten years with populist leaders from the left or right because the electorate are pissed off with the same old,same old.
Ruskie the changes you allude too are, for the moment,a pipe dream.
If the comments on this forum are anything to go by then there's still a lot of people that see nothing at all wrong with the way things are going.
They feel that they're " working hard " and "getting things done" and that anyone who is struggling ......well that's just because they're not working hard enough or they should move to wherever.
This lack of social cohesion you speak of.....I see it but others don't appear too, or if they do they might say......oh I don't know what they'd say.
The whole World is in flux and it's become a very small place.
Our economies and lives are controlled not by our governments but by the FAANGS.
These behemoths are collecting an immense amount of data Worldwide on all of us and exponentially taking increasing control of how we live our lives ......retail, transport,social interaction media, news reporting,methods of payment etc
Their total weath is immense and their domination of our everyday lives is increasing at a very fast pace.
Just one scary example...
The U.K. Has put aside £1 billion for research into AI.....Amazon is spending £19 billion and the other FAANGS are not that far behind.
They are a law unto themselves and one's to which our governments appear to acquiesce.
Edited by avinalarf on Tuesday 21st August 23:48
Herr Schnell said:
Ruskie said:
Or move to Denmark where a socialist model works perfectly well.
Danish PM said:
I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.
Huffpost said:
..the quality of the free education and health care Danes receive is far from great. Their PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) educational rankings are just average, they have the lowest life expectancy in the EU aside from former communist countries, and the highest rates of death from cancer in the world.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.htmlTrouble is however that costs, I would be happier to vote for a Labour government that went "We'd like to introduce all these socialist policies for the greater good....but your taxes are going to go up" than the free money bonanza we had last election of "We're going to give everyone a unicorn, and a kitten, and a pile of puppies, and £5000 if we get in and the rich are going to pay for it all, you won't have to pay a penny!"
It is where IMO Labour fell down last time, they tried to do lots of worthy things but without raising taxes so they instead ended up sticking us in a bad place when there was (the inevitable) financial crisis.
Halb said:
irocfan said:
the beauty of forums is that there is no problem with being long-winded - fill your boots old chap
Quite soBut also...these forums aren't exactly unusual, they're pretty much like any bulletin forum I've posted on...
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