Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
motco said:
Back on topic, what is Corbyn up to in trying to stop a no-deal Brexit when he's always been anti Europe, and needs a clean Brexit to install his Supreme Soviet?
Because he needs to have looked as if he's tried. Corbyn's ideal scenario is to look like he tried to do something but failed. His best chance of power is after a chaotic no deal exit followed by a GE or some sort of Government collapse. He knows it but can't appear to have helped it come about.
motco said:
Jo Swinson was on 'Today' and she said "The public must not be deprived of their democratic right to choose their future. To do so would be outrageous" My quote may not be exactly word-for-word but this, from a leader who is on record as saying that she supports a second referendum but that if the result were still to leave Europe, she would ignore it. THAT is the outrage.
Surely Swinson must remove the word democrats from the title of the party she leads? If she wants to hold on to the word democracy, she must rename her party the Liberal `we' want to pick and choose what democratic vote we will respect party.
As for a Corbyn labour government, any damage which might come about owing to Brexit, would be microscopic compared to the destruction a Corbyn led labour government would visit on the UK.
techiedave said:
Jeremy is being a good parliamentarian and has sacrificed his own beliefs for the wider good.
He realises that only his party can stop the peril of Brexit. he also knows that his chancellors plan for the economy will make life better for so many millions of people and will lead to a fairer and better country.
A country where the boss is paid the same as the apprentice. Where the Teacher can learn from the pupil
A country that recognises everyone has an equal share in things. A country that recognises that all the working people deserve equal reward. A country that doesn't exist by class division.
He also knows that his party is best placed to save the whole planet from the cataclysm of climate destruction and the enormous damage done when the mechanics of fracking rupture the fault planes that hold the UK together.
as regards your last dig at Supreme Soviet I think you will find that once the UK is truly equal that most other countries will look to it and think that is is fantastic and the residents of those countries will want the same.
Not just Britain but a whole world for the many not the few
Written as if you meant it. Top trollin' He realises that only his party can stop the peril of Brexit. he also knows that his chancellors plan for the economy will make life better for so many millions of people and will lead to a fairer and better country.
A country where the boss is paid the same as the apprentice. Where the Teacher can learn from the pupil
A country that recognises everyone has an equal share in things. A country that recognises that all the working people deserve equal reward. A country that doesn't exist by class division.
He also knows that his party is best placed to save the whole planet from the cataclysm of climate destruction and the enormous damage done when the mechanics of fracking rupture the fault planes that hold the UK together.
as regards your last dig at Supreme Soviet I think you will find that once the UK is truly equal that most other countries will look to it and think that is is fantastic and the residents of those countries will want the same.
Not just Britain but a whole world for the many not the few
I agree - a new bar height has been set.
pingu393 said:
techiedave said:
Jeremy is being a good parliamentarian and has sacrificed his own beliefs for the wider good.
He realises that only his party can stop the peril of Brexit. he also knows that his chancellors plan for the economy will make life better for so many millions of people and will lead to a fairer and better country.
A country where the boss is paid the same as the apprentice. Where the Teacher can learn from the pupil
A country that recognises everyone has an equal share in things. A country that recognises that all the working people deserve equal reward. A country that doesn't exist by class division.
He also knows that his party is best placed to save the whole planet from the cataclysm of climate destruction and the enormous damage done when the mechanics of fracking rupture the fault planes that hold the UK together.
as regards your last dig at Supreme Soviet I think you will find that once the UK is truly equal that most other countries will look to it and think that is is fantastic and the residents of those countries will want the same.
Not just Britain but a whole world for the many not the few
Written as if you meant it. Top trollin' He realises that only his party can stop the peril of Brexit. he also knows that his chancellors plan for the economy will make life better for so many millions of people and will lead to a fairer and better country.
A country where the boss is paid the same as the apprentice. Where the Teacher can learn from the pupil
A country that recognises everyone has an equal share in things. A country that recognises that all the working people deserve equal reward. A country that doesn't exist by class division.
He also knows that his party is best placed to save the whole planet from the cataclysm of climate destruction and the enormous damage done when the mechanics of fracking rupture the fault planes that hold the UK together.
as regards your last dig at Supreme Soviet I think you will find that once the UK is truly equal that most other countries will look to it and think that is is fantastic and the residents of those countries will want the same.
Not just Britain but a whole world for the many not the few
I agree - a new bar height has been set.
motco said:
Jo Swinson was on 'Today' and she said "The public must not be deprived of their democratic right to choose their future. To do so would be outrageous" My quote may not be exactly word-for-word but this, from a leader who is on record as saying that she supports a second referendum but that if the result were still to leave Europe, she would ignore it. THAT is the outrage.
I'm no fan of Swinson, but can you provide a link to an article or somesuch where she states what you've claimed?I'm not disputing it, or doubting you - I just find it amazing that someone would say that.
confused_buyer said:
motco said:
Back on topic, what is Corbyn up to in trying to stop a no-deal Brexit when he's always been anti Europe, and needs a clean Brexit to install his Supreme Soviet?
Because he needs to have looked as if he's tried. Corbyn's ideal scenario is to look like he tried to do something but failed. His best chance of power is after a chaotic no deal exit followed by a GE or some sort of Government collapse. He knows it but can't appear to have helped it come about.
oyster said:
motco said:
Jo Swinson was on 'Today' and she said "The public must not be deprived of their democratic right to choose their future. To do so would be outrageous" My quote may not be exactly word-for-word but this, from a leader who is on record as saying that she supports a second referendum but that if the result were still to leave Europe, she would ignore it. THAT is the outrage.
I'm no fan of Swinson, but can you provide a link to an article or somesuch where she states what you've claimed?I'm not disputing it, or doubting you - I just find it amazing that someone would say that.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/li...
https://order-order.com/2019/07/23/jo-swinson-wont...
Yes, I know order-order is a s
t-rag of a website but it's a video. motco said:
Back on topic, what is Corbyn up to in trying to stop a no-deal Brexit when he's always been anti Europe, and needs a clean Brexit to install his Supreme Soviet?
He's not trying to stop Brexit though, if he gets caretaker he'll comeback with a worse deal which he will claim "protects people" and it will be voted though. He can then claim he sorted brexit. Fastdruid said:
oyster said:
motco said:
Jo Swinson was on 'Today' and she said "The public must not be deprived of their democratic right to choose their future. To do so would be outrageous" My quote may not be exactly word-for-word but this, from a leader who is on record as saying that she supports a second referendum but that if the result were still to leave Europe, she would ignore it. THAT is the outrage.
I'm no fan of Swinson, but can you provide a link to an article or somesuch where she states what you've claimed?I'm not disputing it, or doubting you - I just find it amazing that someone would say that.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/li...
https://order-order.com/2019/07/23/jo-swinson-wont...
Yes, I know order-order is a s
t-rag of a website but it's a video. Burwood said:
That's why a GE will be called pretty smarts after we leave. The Global recession looks more likely and we know Brexit will be blamed for that and anything negative despite us due a softening along the lines of normal cycles. If they wait until 2022 there will be too much real data out to chew over
Due a softening after what? Almost no growth for years?Fastdruid said:
oyster said:
motco said:
Jo Swinson was on 'Today' and she said "The public must not be deprived of their democratic right to choose their future. To do so would be outrageous" My quote may not be exactly word-for-word but this, from a leader who is on record as saying that she supports a second referendum but that if the result were still to leave Europe, she would ignore it. THAT is the outrage.
I'm no fan of Swinson, but can you provide a link to an article or somesuch where she states what you've claimed?I'm not disputing it, or doubting you - I just find it amazing that someone would say that.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/li...
https://order-order.com/2019/07/23/jo-swinson-wont...
Yes, I know order-order is a s
t-rag of a website but it's a video. She has said she would vote against it, and still support remain. That is entirely different from the post I replied to where it was quoted she would 'ignore' the result.
I'd expect Nigel Farage to continue to campaign for leave, even if a 2nd referendum voted for remain - wouldn't you?
oyster said:
Wow. That is a very different thing.
She has said she would vote against it, and still support remain. That is entirely different from the post I replied to where it was quoted she would 'ignore' the result.
I'd expect Nigel Farage to continue to campaign for leave, even if a 2nd referendum voted for remain - wouldn't you?
At least Farage could claim it was 1-1 She has said she would vote against it, and still support remain. That is entirely different from the post I replied to where it was quoted she would 'ignore' the result.
I'd expect Nigel Farage to continue to campaign for leave, even if a 2nd referendum voted for remain - wouldn't you?
Swinson would be 2-0 and not looking very pro democracy if she still blocked it. She can believe in the Eu and even campaign to get us back in. What she can’t do is enact parliamentary shennigans to block it.
oyster said:
Wow. That is a very different thing.
She has said she would vote against it, and still support remain. That is entirely different from the post I replied to where it was quoted she would 'ignore' the result.
I'd expect Nigel Farage to continue to campaign for leave, even if a 2nd referendum voted for remain - wouldn't you?
The difference is he's not campaigning for a second referendum. She has said she would vote against it, and still support remain. That is entirely different from the post I replied to where it was quoted she would 'ignore' the result.
I'd expect Nigel Farage to continue to campaign for leave, even if a 2nd referendum voted for remain - wouldn't you?
Demanding a second vote and then saying she'll ignore it if it goes against her makes you wonder what the point of the second vote is.
Gargamel said:
oyster said:
Wow. That is a very different thing.
She has said she would vote against it, and still support remain. That is entirely different from the post I replied to where it was quoted she would 'ignore' the result.
I'd expect Nigel Farage to continue to campaign for leave, even if a 2nd referendum voted for remain - wouldn't you?
At least Farage could claim it was 1-1 She has said she would vote against it, and still support remain. That is entirely different from the post I replied to where it was quoted she would 'ignore' the result.
I'd expect Nigel Farage to continue to campaign for leave, even if a 2nd referendum voted for remain - wouldn't you?
Swinson would be 2-0 and not looking very pro democracy if she still blocked it. She can believe in the Eu and even campaign to get us back in. What she can’t do is enact parliamentary shennigans to block it.
If the Lib Dems won a general election and their MPs voted to reverse Brexit - that is democratic is it not?
If the LIb Dems formed a coalition with someone else and one condition of the coalition is another referendum (the 3rd) and the result was then remain - that would also be democratic.
Just voting against something, or campaigning against something isn't anti-democratic.
It would be pointless having elections if we weren't allowed to reverse previous decisions.
oyster said:
motco said:
Jo Swinson was on 'Today' and she said "The public must not be deprived of their democratic right to choose their future. To do so would be outrageous" My quote may not be exactly word-for-word but this, from a leader who is on record as saying that she supports a second referendum but that if the result were still to leave Europe, she would ignore it. THAT is the outrage.
I'm no fan of Swinson, but can you provide a link to an article or somesuch where she states what you've claimed?I'm not disputing it, or doubting you - I just find it amazing that someone would say that.
oyster said:
Depends what you mean by blocking it.
If the Lib Dems won a general election and their MPs voted to reverse Brexit - that is democratic is it not?
If the LIb Dems formed a coalition with someone else and one condition of the coalition is another referendum (the 3rd) and the result was then remain - that would also be democratic.
Just voting against something, or campaigning against something isn't anti-democratic.
It would be pointless having elections if we weren't allowed to reverse previous decisions.
Agreed If the Lib Dems won a general election and their MPs voted to reverse Brexit - that is democratic is it not?
If the LIb Dems formed a coalition with someone else and one condition of the coalition is another referendum (the 3rd) and the result was then remain - that would also be democratic.
Just voting against something, or campaigning against something isn't anti-democratic.
It would be pointless having elections if we weren't allowed to reverse previous decisions.
However Jo seems to be saying, I’d like another referendum. However if that is a vote to leave, I will still campaign to remain.
Which seems odd
oyster said:
Depends what you mean by blocking it.
If the Lib Dems won a general election and their MPs voted to reverse Brexit - that is democratic is it not?
If the LIb Dems formed a coalition with someone else and one condition of the coalition is another referendum (the 3rd) and the result was then remain - that would also be democratic.
Just voting against something, or campaigning against something isn't anti-democratic.
It would be pointless having elections if we weren't allowed to reverse previous decisions.
Its only democratic if you have implemented the first decision, otherwise its wholly moronic and undemocratic. Bit like replaying the World Cup final because you didn’t like the result.If the Lib Dems won a general election and their MPs voted to reverse Brexit - that is democratic is it not?
If the LIb Dems formed a coalition with someone else and one condition of the coalition is another referendum (the 3rd) and the result was then remain - that would also be democratic.
Just voting against something, or campaigning against something isn't anti-democratic.
It would be pointless having elections if we weren't allowed to reverse previous decisions.
If we had a general election and the minority demanded another because they didn’t like who won, would that be democratic in your eyes?
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