Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[Halb]

AstonZagato said:

The reality is that this election (if it happens in the short-term) is really uncharted territory. The outcome is unpredictable (in the simplest sense of that word).

that's what makes it yǒu yì siexciting!

[surveyor]

I'm fascinated by the general election scenario..

I live in Doncaster, labour heartland. Traditionally a one eyed goat, wearing a red rosette would win.

But then Brexit... Lots of people here are very upset with Labour, and even more so by Jesus Christ. Problem is the alternative of voting for the milk snatcher (yes they remember that!).

This was a Brexit majority area - although typically not for good reasons. So Labour = no brexit means no vote. Liberal = no brexit. Torries... Aghhh milk snatcher. Their heads just exploded...

I've got no prediction at all....

[HoHoHo]

surveyor said:

I'm fascinated by the general election scenario..

I live in Doncaster, labour heartland. Traditionally a one eyed goat, wearing a red rosette would win.

But then Brexit... Lots of people here are very upset with Labour, and even more so by Jesus Christ. Problem is the alternative of voting for the milk snatcher (yes they remember that!).

This was a Brexit majority area - although typically not for good reasons. So Labour = no brexit means no vote. Liberal = no brexit. Torries... Aghhh milk snatcher. Their heads just exploded...

I've got no prediction at all....

They will all still vote labour hoping Corbyn will change his tune

[MiniMan64]

For seats like that a pact between the Tories and the Brexit Party would clean the floor with everyone else.


If Labour don’t choose a side they’ll get beaten into 3rd behind a remain-backed Lib Dem party.

[jakesmith]

MiniMan64 said:

For seats like that a pact between the Tories and the Brexit Party would clean the floor with everyone else.


If Labour don’t choose a side they’ll get beaten into 3rd behind a remain-backed Lib Dem party.

I would accept any manner of Brexit that delivered this outcome.

[768]

I don't think Momentum can choose a side now. They've been outplayed by the Lib Dems for the second best strategy.

If they ditched their figurehead perhaps Labour could pick a different course, but I can't see that happening.

[ORD]

They’ll do fine. People who vote Labour will largely vote for them no matter what. The bulk of their vote is essentially tribal.

[Zirconia]

I expect our MP to remain even though it was a leave area. MP firmly in remain camp.

Still, the only true test is the X at the ballot box getting counted.

[djc206]

HoHoHo said:

surveyor said:

I'm fascinated by the general election scenario..

I live in Doncaster, labour heartland. Traditionally a one eyed goat, wearing a red rosette would win.

But then Brexit... Lots of people here are very upset with Labour, and even more so by Jesus Christ. Problem is the alternative of voting for the milk snatcher (yes they remember that!).

This was a Brexit majority area - although typically not for good reasons. So Labour = no brexit means no vote. Liberal = no brexit. Torries... Aghhh milk snatcher. Their heads just exploded...

I've got no prediction at all....

They will all still vote labour hoping Corbyn will change his tune

Is it not more likely that a lot won’t turn out? Not voting isn’t palatable to many but then if as Surveyor describes there’s no one they feel they can vote for many will just not bother. Depending on Labours majority in similar constituencies there’s the potential for real upsets.

[anonymous-user]

ORD said:

They’ll do fine. People who vote Labour will largely vote for them no matter what. The bulk of their vote is essentially tribal.

I think with more people potentially switched on to politics and the ongoing saga of the past 3 years may have penetrated (ahem) those kind of voters.

Even the most stupid and blasé labour voter surely would have woken up to Steptoe and his bunch of imbeciles.

[Tankrizzo]

ORD said:

They’ll do fine. People who vote Labour will largely vote for them no matter what. The bulk of their vote is essentially tribal.

I don't know, I'm originally from a deprived South Wales industrial town which was always Labour, and loads of my old mates who live there are deserting them in droves while Corbyn is in charge. Perversely a lot of them are preparing to vote Tory in the next election - but it is very much "voting for Boris" instead of "voting Conservative". That's why he's an election winner.

[Tony427]

Tankrizzo said:

ORD said:

They’ll do fine. People who vote Labour will largely vote for them no matter what. The bulk of their vote is essentially tribal.

I don't know, I'm originally from a deprived South Wales industrial town which was always Labour, and loads of my old mates who live there are deserting them in droves while Corbyn is in charge. Perversely a lot of them are preparing to vote Tory in the next election - but it is very much "voting for Boris" instead of "voting Conservative". That's why he's an election winner.

I was in South Wales yesterday and from my statistically insignificant sample size of two people who brought up the subject both were almost fanatical Boris supporters. The interesting thing is one was a millionaire self made man / business owner the other was an ex miner.

Boris it seems cuts across normal divides to find the common or populist ground.

Then throw into the mix how Corbyn is perceived out of the London bubble, the dissatisfaction of the people with a blocking Parliament, the 406/242 Brext voting disparity, plus Brexit party in the North and Midlands, with the Lib Dems sucking up disaffected Remain once labour voters, and the signs seem to suggest Labour will not do well.

However if they don't go for an election now, and are seen as chicken and as a roadblock to democracy of any kind, whether Referendum or GE, then their appeal is further reduced day by day.

What happens to Parliament if the Govt just don't bother scheduling business or even turning up when there's no point in doing so? How's that going to look with Labour, it seems, frightened of calling them out ?

Cheers,

Tony

Edited by Tony427 on Friday 25th October 10:10

[SpeckledJim]

A zombie government, being diligently fed and watered by the opposition, who won't kill it because that would only bring it back to life.

2019. A vintage year for spectator politics.

[CoolC]

Local by-election up here in Lincolnshire. https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2019/10/conservatives-...

Yes, it's for a district council seat, but look at the figures.

Conservative 378
Liberal Democrat 346
Brexit Party 299
Labour 37

[Mothersruin]

CoolC said:

Local by-election up here in Lincolnshire. https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2019/10/conservatives-...

Yes, it's for a district council seat, but look at the figures.

Conservative 378
Liberal Democrat 346
Brexit Party 299
Labour 37

What are the historical figures for reference?

[anonymous-user]

SpeckledJim said:

A zombie government, being diligently fed and watered by the opposition, who won't kill it because that would only bring it back to life.

2019. A vintage year for spectator politics.

It's pathetic and very sad really.

I'm 56 and I'm struggling to remember any time in my life when it was so obvious that politicians and parties care nothing for the electorate and everything about themselves.

[A Winner Is You]

You might find this hard to believe, but another Labour candidate has turned out to be an antisemite!

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/11873773889...

[Blackpuddin]

garyhun said:

SpeckledJim said:

A zombie government, being diligently fed and watered by the opposition, who won't kill it because that would only bring it back to life.

2019. A vintage year for spectator politics.

It's pathetic and very sad really.

I'm 56 and I'm struggling to remember any time in my life when it was so obvious that politicians and parties care nothing for the electorate and everything about themselves.

You do wonder how many of them actually do know the truth, ie that tribal party politics is dead, but are simply continuing down the same road just to hold on to their livelihoods. I don't begrudge anyone the right to earn a living but there must surely come a point when they realise it's time for a change. I believe the electorate is further down the road to realising this than they are and it's this disconnect between dogma and reality that will have to be bridged somehow. The party high ups are getting more and more out of touch as they try to pull together incompatible goals.

Edited by Blackpuddin on Friday 25th October 13:34

[jakesmith]

Blackpuddin said:

You do wonder how many of them actually do know the truth, ie that tribal party politics is dead, but are simply continuing down the same road just to hold on to their livelihoods. I don't begrudge anyone the right to earn a living but there must surely come a point when they realise it's time for a change. I believe the electorate is further down the road to realising this than they are and it's this disconnect between dogma and reality that will have to be bridged somehow. The party high ups are getting more and more out of touch as they try to pull together incompatible goals.

Edited by Blackpuddin on Friday 25th October 13:34

Very insightful and concisely articulated comment I agree completely

[Sway]

I've just watched his interview with Madeley.

So he's not going to support an election, until it's guaranteed that we have a deal at the end of the transition period. Which is impossible to guarantee.

fking coward.