Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Mothersruin said:
Burwood said:
ralphrj said:
Burwood said:
Latest polls have the Tory's as high as 45%. Corbyn will have to throw some massive freebies out there to stay in touch. It's slipping away. Not one poll has Blue below 41%.
The Tories were miles ahead in 2017 until Labour launched their manifesto with promises of huge freebies all to paid for by someone else. It is highly likely that this elections manifesto will feature even more of the same.It was actually Mays aged care tax that lost them their huge majority coupled with the money tree from Labour. What will poleaxe them this time is the money tree is nothing new, their open immigration policy will repel a lot of their voters as will Leave voters.
My call is that Blue gain even more popularity.
Burwood said:
Mothersruin said:
Burwood said:
ralphrj said:
Burwood said:
Latest polls have the Tory's as high as 45%. Corbyn will have to throw some massive freebies out there to stay in touch. It's slipping away. Not one poll has Blue below 41%.
The Tories were miles ahead in 2017 until Labour launched their manifesto with promises of huge freebies all to paid for by someone else. It is highly likely that this elections manifesto will feature even more of the same.It was actually Mays aged care tax that lost them their huge majority coupled with the money tree from Labour. What will poleaxe them this time is the money tree is nothing new, their open immigration policy will repel a lot of their voters as will Leave voters.
My call is that Blue gain even more popularity.
If one of the parties actually did a bit more thinking, they could really connect with people - bring the figures down to smaller units, £5 million extra to that ward in your local hospital gives you three extra nurses, all of their uniforms, this equipment and some important stuff for the next 5 years (or whatever) and this is how it'll improve your life - and we're going to give you this to these key hospitals...
That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
garyhun said:
You can fool some of the people all the time.
You can fool all the people some of the time.
Your can’t .......
Problem is people who fall for this magic money tree stuff are so disconnected from the economic reality, they just like nice easy answers. You can fool all the people some of the time.
Your can’t .......
Edited by garyhun on Sunday 17th November 17:35
They know the Tories won't help them & Corbyn didn't have a shot last time as he lost so why wouldn't they keep voting for him?
I notice however that the best odds today on oddschecker are 40:1 on a Lab majority. Almost putting £10k on that so I can leave the country for 5 years and live in comfort if they win.
Mothersruin said:
If one of the parties actually did a bit more thinking, they could really connect with people - bring the figures down to smaller units, £5 million extra to that ward in your local hospital gives you three extra nurses, all of their uniforms, this equipment and some important stuff for the next 5 years (or whatever) and this is how it'll improve your life - and we're going to give you this to these key hospitals...
That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
I agree. What's 20,000 police officers? Well it's nearly 450 police officers for each territorial police force in the UK, or about seventh of the police force that existed when the Tories came into power in 2010 and started cutting police numbers.That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
Evanivitch said:
Mothersruin said:
If one of the parties actually did a bit more thinking, they could really connect with people - bring the figures down to smaller units, £5 million extra to that ward in your local hospital gives you three extra nurses, all of their uniforms, this equipment and some important stuff for the next 5 years (or whatever) and this is how it'll improve your life - and we're going to give you this to these key hospitals...
That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
I agree. What's 20,000 police officers? Well it's nearly 450 police officers for each territorial police force in the UK, or about seventh of the police force that existed when the Tories came into power in 2010 and started cutting police numbers.That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
Burwood said:
I expect Labour to announce a universal basic weekly allowance for everyone. Something like £50/week funded by scrapping the Tax free allowance.
A friend who has connections in the Labour party told me this months ago as apparently Corbachev is big on the idea, never heard anything since thoughMothersruin said:
Evanivitch said:
Mothersruin said:
If one of the parties actually did a bit more thinking, they could really connect with people - bring the figures down to smaller units, £5 million extra to that ward in your local hospital gives you three extra nurses, all of their uniforms, this equipment and some important stuff for the next 5 years (or whatever) and this is how it'll improve your life - and we're going to give you this to these key hospitals...
That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
I agree. What's 20,000 police officers? Well it's nearly 450 police officers for each territorial police force in the UK, or about seventh of the police force that existed when the Tories came into power in 2010 and started cutting police numbers.That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
But no, not a "leftie" by many measures. You don't have to be on the left to see the Tory's have been an utter failure, but kept in power by an inept opposition.
Evanivitch said:
Mothersruin said:
Evanivitch said:
Mothersruin said:
If one of the parties actually did a bit more thinking, they could really connect with people - bring the figures down to smaller units, £5 million extra to that ward in your local hospital gives you three extra nurses, all of their uniforms, this equipment and some important stuff for the next 5 years (or whatever) and this is how it'll improve your life - and we're going to give you this to these key hospitals...
That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
I agree. What's 20,000 police officers? Well it's nearly 450 police officers for each territorial police force in the UK, or about seventh of the police force that existed when the Tories came into power in 2010 and started cutting police numbers.That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
But no, not a "leftie" by many measures. You don't have to be on the left to see the Tory's have been an utter failure, but kept in power by an inept opposition.
Had there been any real opposition they would not be there
Mothersruin said:
Also, and this probably sounds daft, but the figures being bandied about (by anyone really) just don't make any sense. £20bn, £80bn, £100bn are just Monopoly money figures, they don't mean a thing to 'normal' people who deal in thousands, ten/hundreds of thousands and maybe millions at a push.
If one of the parties actually did a bit more thinking, they could really connect with people - bring the figures down to smaller units, £5 million extra to that ward in your local hospital gives you three extra nurses, all of their uniforms, this equipment and some important stuff for the next 5 years (or whatever) and this is how it'll improve your life - and we're going to give you this to these key hospitals...
That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
Well, £100bn is ~£1600 per person in the UK.If one of the parties actually did a bit more thinking, they could really connect with people - bring the figures down to smaller units, £5 million extra to that ward in your local hospital gives you three extra nurses, all of their uniforms, this equipment and some important stuff for the next 5 years (or whatever) and this is how it'll improve your life - and we're going to give you this to these key hospitals...
That speaks to people - £100bn is nonsense talk.
Burwood said:
And it's a mystery that they'll roll the same crap out again++
It was actually Mays aged care tax that lost them their huge majority coupled with the money tree from Labour. What will poleaxe them this time is the money tree is nothing new, their open immigration policy will repel a lot of their voters as will Leave voters.
My call is that Blue gain even more popularity.
I find it odd that May’s dementia tax cost them a load of support - but Comrade’s 125k IHT limit would impact a hell of a lot more people, and no one is complaining about it....It was actually Mays aged care tax that lost them their huge majority coupled with the money tree from Labour. What will poleaxe them this time is the money tree is nothing new, their open immigration policy will repel a lot of their voters as will Leave voters.
My call is that Blue gain even more popularity.
I struggle to comprehend why and how the parties - in particular Labour are allowed to make election pledges that are not based in reality.
I know Boris comes in for some stick being a bit of a bounder and a bad egg; but Corbyn and co are making pledges that are knowingly plain b
ks.
Its all well and good to promise free fibre, or corporation tax changes; but they have less than zero chance to deliver these promises.
The debt for equity swap / appropriation at book value is not technically possible unless willing to commit theft. Its not even a barter.
The plans on corporation tax are impossible to deliver as it undermines all OECD treaties. Its total nonsense to decouple all your international tax treaties - UNLESS your end game is Venezuela. And if thats the case, other policies then become void.
Its not even the practicalities of delivery, but the actual funding. They may as well have said they are going to print McDonnell's to pay for it.
I know accounting is a parochial subject, as is Tax treaty; but the policies are taking the biscuit.
Its all the more shocking that people are looking at unravelling the past- but not looking at imminent future risks. Remainers are crowding out legitimate discussions with cries over spilt milk. If Labour win, or get into a government coalition, they have less chance of delivering these promises than Farage of winning a majority. Isn't it or shouldn't it be an offensive to offer policies and pledges you KNOW you can never deliver on REGARDLESS of parliamentary numbers?
I know Boris comes in for some stick being a bit of a bounder and a bad egg; but Corbyn and co are making pledges that are knowingly plain b
ks.Its all well and good to promise free fibre, or corporation tax changes; but they have less than zero chance to deliver these promises.
The debt for equity swap / appropriation at book value is not technically possible unless willing to commit theft. Its not even a barter.
The plans on corporation tax are impossible to deliver as it undermines all OECD treaties. Its total nonsense to decouple all your international tax treaties - UNLESS your end game is Venezuela. And if thats the case, other policies then become void.
Its not even the practicalities of delivery, but the actual funding. They may as well have said they are going to print McDonnell's to pay for it.
I know accounting is a parochial subject, as is Tax treaty; but the policies are taking the biscuit.
Its all the more shocking that people are looking at unravelling the past- but not looking at imminent future risks. Remainers are crowding out legitimate discussions with cries over spilt milk. If Labour win, or get into a government coalition, they have less chance of delivering these promises than Farage of winning a majority. Isn't it or shouldn't it be an offensive to offer policies and pledges you KNOW you can never deliver on REGARDLESS of parliamentary numbers?
vaud said:
rxe said:
I find it odd that May’s dementia tax cost them a load of support - but Comrade’s 125k IHT limit would impact a hell of a lot more people, and no one is complaining about it....
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