Traffic warden gets a kicking in Birmingham
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amusingduck said:
They have exactly the same chance as everyone else, with or without those advantages.
Nobody has all avenues open to them. Some avenues were never open to you - I was never going to be a professional footballer no matter how good my upbringing was. Choices that you make close some avenues, and open others. Same goes for your genetics, wealth, education, aptitude for types of activity, etc.
Where you end up is far more dependent on your choices than your circumstances IMO.
that is quite possible the most naive post i have ever read on ph.Nobody has all avenues open to them. Some avenues were never open to you - I was never going to be a professional footballer no matter how good my upbringing was. Choices that you make close some avenues, and open others. Same goes for your genetics, wealth, education, aptitude for types of activity, etc.
Where you end up is far more dependent on your choices than your circumstances IMO.
Alpinestars said:
Don’t the patriots usually play the “you owe your life to people like that?” card.
I pay taxes to support all sorts of pricks, it’s part of living in a socially responsible democracy. If you don’t like it, your could always f
k off somewhere else?
Social Responsibility - i like the sound of that but cant help thinking you have it the wrong way round.I pay taxes to support all sorts of pricks, it’s part of living in a socially responsible democracy. If you don’t like it, your could always f
k off somewhere else?Any Governments number one concern has to be the welfare / protection of its people.
All i have asked / questioned was the benefit / cost to the UK that these people bring. If they bring no benefit i don't want them and neither should any Socially Responsible Government.
Your approach seems to be based immigration and a Multicultural dream, without questioning what benefit or cost this brings to the UK. I cant see how that is a responsible approach to those living in the UK.
Labour in their push for Multiculturalism took your approach and not mine, they felt their Social Responsibility to those living in Ghana was as great as it was to those living in the UK, It is not UK citizens should always come first.
One Civil Servant was quoted as saying ‘When I was at the Treasury, I argued for the most open door possible to immigration (because) I saw it as my job to maximise global welfare not national welfare’.”
del mar said:
If those named above are a fiscal benefit, and or are In a position to support themselves with no recourse to nhs and education then I have no issue with that.
So there we go. It's all about money, not about origin.Any thoughts on this?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-...
del mar said:
The royal family is a tricky one, I am not sure they are a benefit......
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analys...Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 18th September 14:21
del mar said:
Labour in their push for Multiculturalism took your approach and not mine, they felt their Social Responsibility to those living in Ghana was as great as it was to those living in the UK, It is not UK citizens should always come first.
Again you're either a) swallowing Daily Mail BS or b) making stuff up as you go along.Anyone arriving from Ghana would need a visa. They would need to demonstrate their financial means to support themselves before it's granted. For example a family of 4 would need to prove a combined income £25k during the application. No proof, no visa.
You seem to have a hard-on for them using the NHS so you'll be happy to hear not only will they pay tax on what they earn but before they're even here they need to pay during the visa application. That same family of 4 from Ghana would have to pay an IHS (immigration health surcharge) of £2400 up front. No payment, no visa.
This information is so, so easy to find. You just need to look and question what the papers tell you.
irocfan said:
fblm said:
Back to giving traffic wardens a kicking... was he just being robbed or did he do something to deserve a slap? The scooter theft looked a bit of an afterthought in the video.
given the FB posting earlier in the thread it does appear that there is more to this than met the eyeDindoit said:
Again you're either a) swallowing Daily Mail BS or b) making stuff up as you go along.
Anyone arriving from Ghana would need a visa. They would need to demonstrate their financial means to support themselves before it's granted. For example a family of 4 would need to prove a combined income £25k during the application. No proof, no visa.
You seem to have a hard-on for them using the NHS so you'll be happy to hear not only will they pay tax on what they earn but before they're even here they need to pay during the visa application. That same family of 4 from Ghana would have to pay an IHS (immigration health surcharge) of £2400 up front. No payment, no visa.
This information is so, so easy to find. You just need to look and question what the papers tell you.
The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for. My GF's family are all avid readers and some of the sAnyone arriving from Ghana would need a visa. They would need to demonstrate their financial means to support themselves before it's granted. For example a family of 4 would need to prove a combined income £25k during the application. No proof, no visa.
You seem to have a hard-on for them using the NHS so you'll be happy to hear not only will they pay tax on what they earn but before they're even here they need to pay during the visa application. That same family of 4 from Ghana would have to pay an IHS (immigration health surcharge) of £2400 up front. No payment, no visa.
This information is so, so easy to find. You just need to look and question what the papers tell you.
t they believe is just incredible.colin_p said:
T0MMY said:
The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for.
What, like reporting the news?News that other sources won't report on, and simply ignore, because it goes against the happy clappy multi-cultie utopian
IPSO rulings for inaccuracy, 2017
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And that's just outright lies. It doesn't include spin so blatant it's tantamount to misrepresentation.
Dindoit said:
del mar said:
Labour in their push for Multiculturalism took your approach and not mine, they felt their Social Responsibility to those living in Ghana was as great as it was to those living in the UK, It is not UK citizens should always come first.
Again you're either a) swallowing Daily Mail BS or b) making stuff up as you go along.Anyone arriving from Ghana would need a visa. They would need to demonstrate their financial means to support themselves before it's granted. For example a family of 4 would need to prove a combined income £25k during the application. No proof, no visa.
You seem to have a hard-on for them using the NHS so you'll be happy to hear not only will they pay tax on what they earn but before they're even here they need to pay during the visa application. That same family of 4 from Ghana would have to pay an IHS (immigration health surcharge) of £2400 up front. No payment, no visa.
This information is so, so easy to find. You just need to look and question what the papers tell you.
This has already happened.
You are correct in pointing out the rules in place today, had we always had these in place the odds are we would have not had the volume of immigration and or we would have only allowed in those that are not a drain on society.
£25,000 for a family of four still does not suggest you are a fiscal benefit, and the children get free education. I thought the surcharge was £200 per person, but either way it is a step in the right direction.
Why do you think we have these new rules in place regarding no recourse to public funds and the NHS surcharge ?
Perhaps somebody other than I realized the rules we had were not working, it is just too little too late.
TooMany2cvs said:
Riiiight.
IPSO rulings for inaccuracy, 2017
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And that's just outright lies. It doesn't include spin so blatant it's tantamount to misrepresentation.
Is that suggesting that the Daily Sport is 100% accurate in its reportings ?IPSO rulings for inaccuracy, 2017
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And that's just outright lies. It doesn't include spin so blatant it's tantamount to misrepresentation.
I had to ban it from the house as i found it so depressing...
del mar said:
Dindoit said:
del mar said:
Labour in their push for Multiculturalism took your approach and not mine, they felt their Social Responsibility to those living in Ghana was as great as it was to those living in the UK, It is not UK citizens should always come first.
Again you're either a) swallowing Daily Mail BS or b) making stuff up as you go along.Anyone arriving from Ghana would need a visa. They would need to demonstrate their financial means to support themselves before it's granted. For example a family of 4 would need to prove a combined income £25k during the application. No proof, no visa.
You seem to have a hard-on for them using the NHS so you'll be happy to hear not only will they pay tax on what they earn but before they're even here they need to pay during the visa application. That same family of 4 from Ghana would have to pay an IHS (immigration health surcharge) of £2400 up front. No payment, no visa.
This information is so, so easy to find. You just need to look and question what the papers tell you.
This has already happened.
You are correct in pointing out the rules in place today, had we always had these in place the odds are we would have not had the volume of immigration and or we would have only allowed in those that are not a drain on society.
£25,000 for a family of four still does not suggest you are a fiscal benefit, and the children get free education. I thought the surcharge was £200 per person, but either way it is a step in the right direction.
Why do you think we have these new rules in place regarding no recourse to public funds and the NHS surcharge ?
Perhaps somebody other than I realized the rules we had were not working, it is just too little too late.
Furthermore immigration rules are looking to be softened by Sajid Javid in light of Brexit. Look up tier 2 cap. Might have to expand your horizons further than a red top.
colin_p said:
What, like reporting the news?
News that other sources won't report on, and simply ignore, because it goes against the happy clappy multi-cultie utopiandaydream nightmare?
Well no, just concentrating on the kind of stories that rile up people who have a black and white view of the world. It's extremely effective for the reason I mentioned earlier, it only takes a handful of such stories to make people of a tribal bent hate an entire community of millions, the vast majority of which are of course law abiding. You presumably are well aware that white brits also routinely kick the sNews that other sources won't report on, and simply ignore, because it goes against the happy clappy multi-cultie utopian
t out of innocent people on a regular basis so would you expect that to make headline news, assuming nobody was killed? And if it did make the news, would you find it ridiculous to think their behaviour said something about all whites? Actually here's a question: The Guardian reported this story but it doesn't appear they explicitly mentioned the race of the attackers. What do you think of that?
Edited by T0MMY on Tuesday 18th September 17:30
Dindoit said:
Wrong. Again.
Furthermore immigration rules are looking to be softened by Sajid Javid in light of Brexit. Look up tier 2 cap. Might have to expand your horizons further than a red top.
Which part is wrong ?Furthermore immigration rules are looking to be softened by Sajid Javid in light of Brexit. Look up tier 2 cap. Might have to expand your horizons further than a red top.
There is nothing wrong with removing the cap on skilled workers that we need and those that are a benefit, i have never been against the immigration of people we need and those that make a contribution.
colin_p said:
T0MMY said:
The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for.
What, like reporting the news?News that other sources won't report on, and simply ignore, because it goes against the happy clappy multi-cultie utopian
Multiculturalism itself is not a nightmare - because in a truly multicultural society you would never have gangs of one ethnicity beating up traffic wardens..
Radical I know but I do think part of the requirements of becoming a British citizen is a commitment to engage (just like it should be with those Brits who go to retire in Spain and don't learn the language, engage with the Spanish and choose to properly live with them).
T0MMY said:
colin_p said:
What, like reporting the news?
News that other sources won't report on, and simply ignore, because it goes against the happy clappy multi-cultie utopiandaydream nightmare?
Well no, just concentrating on the kind of stories that rile up people who have a black and white view of the world. It's extremely effective for the reason I mentioned earlier, it only takes a handful of such stories to make people of a tribal bent hate an entire community of millions, the vast majority of which are of course law abiding. You presumably are well aware that white brits also routinely kick the sNews that other sources won't report on, and simply ignore, because it goes against the happy clappy multi-cultie utopian
t out of innocent people on a regular basis so would you expect that to make headline news, assuming nobody was killed? And if it did make the news, would you find it ridiculous to think their behaviour said something about all whites? Raping our school children en mass
Blowing our children up at pop concerts
Blowing us up on trains
Blowing us up on buses
Cutting the heads off our soldiers in broad daylight
Running us over and then getting out and going on a stab-fest.
And all the other low(er) level criminality that they seem to get away with because they are, and know they are, largely untouchable because everyone is scared wittless of being called a racist.
Take your pick, and the above are not just confined to the UK, but anywhere in the West that has been suitably enriched.
White working class scum, come nowhere close.
jcremonini said:
Personally, I think multiculturalism is working in the main . Multiculturalism is about having whites/blacks/asians living amongst each other, interacting and socialising. Where it fails is when you have pockets of ethnicities living within towns and cities, failing to engage or interact with other ethnicities. If you look at parts of Birmingham there are single, non indigenous, ethnicities making up the vast majority of the population and this is just wrong - more needs to be done to stop this from happening. With the current hysteria surrounding Islam is does nothing but heighten the fear of other people, for one, and then there is the question which needs to be asked of these people of "do you intend it to be like this forever?". Of course, it's not all their fault but I do think many of them don't want to 'live amongst us' (and no doubt there are many ignorant British people who don't want that either, which does not help).
Multiculturalism itself is not a nightmare - because in a truly multicultural society you would never have gangs of one ethnicity beating up traffic wardens..
Radical I know but I do think part of the requirements of becoming a British citizen is a commitment to engage (just like it should be with those Brits who go to retire in Spain and don't learn the language, engage with the Spanish and choose to properly live with them).
I agree with some of what you said but frankly, to the Daily Mail crowd the asian population is about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit and it's kind of a two way street. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments in this thread that many white brits don't want integration, while simultaenously using it as a smokescreen for their prejudices. In my experience they don't like integrated foreigners (and most especially Muslims) any more than they like the ones who live within their own community. A friend of mine who's half egyptian got the sMulticulturalism itself is not a nightmare - because in a truly multicultural society you would never have gangs of one ethnicity beating up traffic wardens..
Radical I know but I do think part of the requirements of becoming a British citizen is a commitment to engage (just like it should be with those Brits who go to retire in Spain and don't learn the language, engage with the Spanish and choose to properly live with them).
t kicked out of him in Aberdeen for being "muslim"...he was walking home from the pub, wearing western clothes, not even religious, works as a science teacher...integrated in nearly every way apart from that his face was "muslim". tannhauser said:
jcremonini said:
Personally, I think multiculturalism is working in the main .
How naiive 
Was anyone actually consulted, as to whether we want to live in this supposedly utopian, multicultural, happy clappy society?!
Just imagine - all that enforced attendance at the local CofE church, whether you wanted to be there or not, because there was a monoculture that said you MUST attend or face social disgrace, at the very least. <shudder>
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