Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
What endlessly shifting views?
No, I don't accept the science as presented by the IPCC, and neither do they, hence the constant revisions and retractions.
And what organisations are you referring to? Those posted by LT in his lists? Which we went over and over. Which the faith held as absolute proof. But when you looked closer, all was not as simply clear cut as it seemed.
Nevermind eh.
No, I don't accept the science as presented by the IPCC, and neither do they, hence the constant revisions and retractions.
And what organisations are you referring to? Those posted by LT in his lists? Which we went over and over. Which the faith held as absolute proof. But when you looked closer, all was not as simply clear cut as it seemed.
Nevermind eh.
So LT’s lists were wrong but the lists supplied by deniers have been right? 
You say “when we looked closer” which entries were wrong? I don’t remember any being questioned.
And I’m going to call you out on this too...
stew-STR160 said:
Pretty sure the terms catastrophy and catastrophic have been thrown around by those of the faith far more than us.
Nice attempt at trying to sound above it all though.
Can you please quote 2 instances of that term, Catastrophic or Catastrophy or CAGW being used by us Science believers on this thread please. Time to put up.Nice attempt at trying to sound above it all though.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/0...
The question was about the use of CAGW. Not specific faith users using it. Two links above provide examples. If that's not good enough for you, just use Google to search for catastrophic/catastrophy/anything like it. Enjoy.
Actually many on LT's lists were questioned. But then you and others just didn't pay much attention because you were too busy being in in awe of the list.
Also, you can’t name which entries on LT’s lists were wrong.
Classic denier strategy. Throw as much s
t as you can and hope some of it sticks. 
Considering we've been free from the lists for some time, no. I didn't keep a record of it myself for any future eventuality such as this. But please, feel free to go back and look at all the posts relating to it.
Classic believer smear...business as usual.
stew-STR160 said:
gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
What endlessly shifting views?
No, I don't accept the science as presented by the IPCC, and neither do they, hence the constant revisions and retractions.
And what organisations are you referring to? Those posted by LT in his lists? Which we went over and over. Which the faith held as absolute proof. But when you looked closer, all was not as simply clear cut as it seemed.
Nevermind eh.
No, I don't accept the science as presented by the IPCC, and neither do they, hence the constant revisions and retractions.
And what organisations are you referring to? Those posted by LT in his lists? Which we went over and over. Which the faith held as absolute proof. But when you looked closer, all was not as simply clear cut as it seemed.
Nevermind eh.
So LT’s lists were wrong but the lists supplied by deniers have been right? You say “when we looked closer” which entries were wrong? I don’t remember any being questioned.
And I’m going to call you out on this too...
stew-STR160 said:
Pretty sure the terms catastrophy and catastrophic have been thrown around by those of the faith far more than us.
Nice attempt at trying to sound above it all though.
Can you please quote 2 instances of that term, Catastrophic or Catastrophy or CAGW being used by us Science believers on this thread please. Time to put up.Nice attempt at trying to sound above it all though.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/0...
The question was about the use of CAGW. Not specific faith users using it. Two links above provide examples. If that's not good enough for you, just use Google to search for catastrophic/catastrophy/anything like it. Enjoy.
Actually many on LT's lists were questioned. But then you and others just didn't pay much attention because you were too busy being in in awe of the list.
Also, you can’t name which entries on LT’s lists were wrong.
Classic denier strategy. Throw as much s
t as you can and hope some of it sticks. Considering we've been free from the lists for some time, no. I didn't keep a record of it myself for any future eventuality such as this. But please, feel free to go back and look at all the posts relating to it.
Classic believer smear...business as usual.
I’ll show you how this works...
A while back you said that the Climate Temperature had fallen by 5 degrees over the last 100 years.
I know you said it but “I didn't keep a record of it myself for any future eventuality such as this. But please, feel free to go back and look at all the posts relating to it.”
Edited by gadgetmac on Friday 14th December 15:59
durbster said:
Err, so I got that wrong and you actually accept the science as presented by the IPCC, as those organisations do?
It's impossible to keep up with what endlessly-shifting views touted by the faithful in here.
wc98 said:
El stovey said:
Don123 said:
Skeptics are painted as paid-off, anti-science, depraved, deranged, or a combination of these things. This is the picture the general public has of skeptics, and I think it’s no accident that this narrative is the predominant one.
He doesn’t consider that skeptics are painted as these things as often it’s actually true.
This thread shows numerous posters regularly showing these behaviours.
wc98 said:
wc98 said:
El stovey said:
Don123 said:
Skeptics are painted as paid-off, anti-science, depraved, deranged, or a combination of these things. This is the picture the general public has of skeptics, and I think it’s no accident that this narrative is the predominant one.
He doesn’t consider that skeptics are painted as these things as often it’s actually true.
This thread shows numerous posters regularly showing these behaviours.
Hope for 'decent' climate talks outcome
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-465...
The likelihood of a deal at global climate talks in Poland has increased after a new draft text was released.
The outline decision contains plans for a common rulebook for all countries, with flexibility for poorer nations.
There are also calls for all countries to increase their carbon cutting commitments by 2020.
But many issues are not yet settled and negotiators were preparing to work well past the official close of the conference on Friday evening.
Most ministers here believe the strength or weakness of the final outcome is still in the balance.
among the key issues not yet decided is the question of loss and damage.
This issue has bedevilled climate negotiations for many years as developing countries seek recognition and compensation for the damages caused by rising temperatures.
THE IDEA OF BEING LEGALLY LIABLE FOR CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE HAS LONG BEEN REJECTED BY RICHER NATIONS, WHO FEAR HUGE BILLS WELL INTO THE FUTURE.....continues
There's the Politics !! Give us the Money !!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-465...
The likelihood of a deal at global climate talks in Poland has increased after a new draft text was released.
The outline decision contains plans for a common rulebook for all countries, with flexibility for poorer nations.
There are also calls for all countries to increase their carbon cutting commitments by 2020.
But many issues are not yet settled and negotiators were preparing to work well past the official close of the conference on Friday evening.
Most ministers here believe the strength or weakness of the final outcome is still in the balance.
among the key issues not yet decided is the question of loss and damage.
This issue has bedevilled climate negotiations for many years as developing countries seek recognition and compensation for the damages caused by rising temperatures.
THE IDEA OF BEING LEGALLY LIABLE FOR CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE HAS LONG BEEN REJECTED BY RICHER NATIONS, WHO FEAR HUGE BILLS WELL INTO THE FUTURE.....continues
There's the Politics !! Give us the Money !!!!
Plan for food waste to be separated
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-465...
All households in England may be obliged to collect food waste in a separate caddy under plans to be announced next week.
Ministers are backing the idea, but will offer it for consultation before any changes happen.
The scheme will reduce greenhouse gases from landfill, but could lead to less frequent collections of general household waste......continues
Mine goes on the compost heap
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-465...
All households in England may be obliged to collect food waste in a separate caddy under plans to be announced next week.
Ministers are backing the idea, but will offer it for consultation before any changes happen.
The scheme will reduce greenhouse gases from landfill, but could lead to less frequent collections of general household waste......continues
Mine goes on the compost heap
Jonesy23 said:
As written by the European Investment Bank:
"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Is it a Socialist plot? Is it?"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
wc98 said:
wc98 said:
El stovey said:
Don123 said:
Skeptics are painted as paid-off, anti-science, depraved, deranged, or a combination of these things. This is the picture the general public has of skeptics, and I think it’s no accident that this narrative is the predominant one.
He doesn’t consider that skeptics are painted as these things as often it’s actually true.
This thread shows numerous posters regularly showing these behaviours.
The reason is because people will dismiss it as ad hom attacks and say it’s a fixation on turbobloke. Dickymint might even try again to get me banned. It’s also very negative, miserable and time consuming to be quoting all your posts and pointing out the various behaviours.
But since you keep asking, If I was to quote you all though, it would include people exaggerating their expertise and qualifications, people trying to and succeeding in getting others banned from the forum, people deliberately misrepresenting information and data, people being unhealthily fixated on the bbc and lefties and people threatening to hit anyone that calls them a denier.
So apart from being “paid-off” those behaviours probably covers most of the list.
gadgetmac said:
Jonesy23 said:
As written by the European Investment Bank:
"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Is it a Socialist plot? Is it?"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Jonesy23 said:
gadgetmac said:
Jonesy23 said:
As written by the European Investment Bank:
"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Is it a Socialist plot? Is it?"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Why not say its the paying of the bill proportionate to your involvement in creating the problem? I doubt the Solomon Islands has input as much crap to the atmosphere as the US or the UK.
stew-STR160 said:
What endlessly shifting views?
No, I don't accept the science as presented by the IPCC, and neither do they, hence the constant revisions and retractions.
Revisions and retractions is absolutely expected in science. It happens in all fields of science, and always has. That's how it works. No, I don't accept the science as presented by the IPCC, and neither do they, hence the constant revisions and retractions.
stew-STR160 said:
And what organisations are you referring to? Those posted by LT in his lists? Which we went over and over. Which the faith held as absolute proof. But when you looked closer, all was not as simply clear cut as it seemed.
Nevermind eh.
This reality distortion is unreal. What organisations? All of them.Nevermind eh.
Again, this is very easy for you to prove. Simply name any leading science organisation that disputes the fundamental findings from the IPCC.
And to pre-empt the inevitable frantic search on WUWT to find some single sentence that somebody's plucked out to write a blog about, I mean one that disagrees that humans are causing warming at the rates observed.
El stovey said:
Hi wc98, I don’t really want to list all the posts from the cult that are examples of these behaviours.
The reason is because people will dismiss it as ad hom attacks and say it’s a fixation on turbobloke. Dickymint might even try again to get me banned. It’s also very negative, miserable and time consuming to be quoting all your posts and pointing out the various behaviours.
But since you keep asking, If I was to quote you all though, it would include people exaggerating their expertise and qualifications, people trying to and succeeding in getting others banned from the forum, people deliberately misrepresenting information and data, people being unhealthily fixated on the bbc and lefties and people threatening to hit anyone that calls them a denier.
So apart from being “paid-off” those behaviours probably covers most of the list.
so no depravity ,just things you don't like or approve of ? to be fair i'm not keen on people getting banned from the thread,bit drastic considering no harm is being done. The reason is because people will dismiss it as ad hom attacks and say it’s a fixation on turbobloke. Dickymint might even try again to get me banned. It’s also very negative, miserable and time consuming to be quoting all your posts and pointing out the various behaviours.
But since you keep asking, If I was to quote you all though, it would include people exaggerating their expertise and qualifications, people trying to and succeeding in getting others banned from the forum, people deliberately misrepresenting information and data, people being unhealthily fixated on the bbc and lefties and people threatening to hit anyone that calls them a denier.
So apart from being “paid-off” those behaviours probably covers most of the list.
gadgetmac said:
Jonesy23 said:
As written by the European Investment Bank:
"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Is it a Socialist plot? Is it?"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
mondeoman said:
gadgetmac said:
Jonesy23 said:
As written by the European Investment Bank:
"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Is it a Socialist plot? Is it?"To stop global warming the world needs to cough up the cash. A big part of the negotiations in Katowice revolve around climate finance - the transfer of money from rich countries to poor."
All about the money.
Panto season is in full swing.
wc98 said:
El stovey said:
Hi wc98, I don’t really want to list all the posts from the cult that are examples of these behaviours.
The reason is because people will dismiss it as ad hom attacks and say it’s a fixation on turbobloke. Dickymint might even try again to get me banned. It’s also very negative, miserable and time consuming to be quoting all your posts and pointing out the various behaviours.
But since you keep asking, If I was to quote you all though, it would include people exaggerating their expertise and qualifications, people trying to and succeeding in getting others banned from the forum, people deliberately misrepresenting information and data, people being unhealthily fixated on the bbc and lefties and people threatening to hit anyone that calls them a denier.
So apart from being “paid-off” those behaviours probably covers most of the list.
so no depravity ,just things you don't like or approve of ? to be fair i'm not keen on people getting banned from the thread,bit drastic considering no harm is being done. The reason is because people will dismiss it as ad hom attacks and say it’s a fixation on turbobloke. Dickymint might even try again to get me banned. It’s also very negative, miserable and time consuming to be quoting all your posts and pointing out the various behaviours.
But since you keep asking, If I was to quote you all though, it would include people exaggerating their expertise and qualifications, people trying to and succeeding in getting others banned from the forum, people deliberately misrepresenting information and data, people being unhealthily fixated on the bbc and lefties and people threatening to hit anyone that calls them a denier.
So apart from being “paid-off” those behaviours probably covers most of the list.
Climate Depot said:
It is time for 'climate passports' to be issued to French citizens and others who wish to flee climate change driven policies that skyrocket energy prices. It is the victims of 'climate change' policies, taxes, and regulations that need passports to escape their leaders who are trying to control the weather through higher fuel costs. Climate passports should be issued to all the French citizens who wish to escape from Macron's climate policies.
(Trying and failing.)Interesting idea
UN climate talks extended due to sticking points in Poland
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-465...
Climate talks in Poland have continued through the night as negotiators try to agree the next steps forward for the Paris climate agreement.
Thousands of delegates worked well past the official deadline for reaching a deal but key sticking points remain.
Rows continue over the issue of paying poorer countries for damage caused by global warming and the use of carbon markets to reduce emissions.
The likelihood of a deal increased on Friday after a new text was released.
The outline decision contains plans for a common rulebook for all countries, with flexibility for poorer nations.
There are also calls for all countries to increase their carbon cutting commitments by 2020.
But many issues are not yet settled, as developing countries seek recognition and compensation for the impact of rising temperatures.
The idea of being legally liable for causing climate change has long been rejected by richer nations, who fear huge bills well into the future......continues
We're all in this together. Until it gets to the MONEY !!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-465...
Climate talks in Poland have continued through the night as negotiators try to agree the next steps forward for the Paris climate agreement.
Thousands of delegates worked well past the official deadline for reaching a deal but key sticking points remain.
Rows continue over the issue of paying poorer countries for damage caused by global warming and the use of carbon markets to reduce emissions.
The likelihood of a deal increased on Friday after a new text was released.
The outline decision contains plans for a common rulebook for all countries, with flexibility for poorer nations.
There are also calls for all countries to increase their carbon cutting commitments by 2020.
But many issues are not yet settled, as developing countries seek recognition and compensation for the impact of rising temperatures.
The idea of being legally liable for causing climate change has long been rejected by richer nations, who fear huge bills well into the future......continues
We're all in this together. Until it gets to the MONEY !!!
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