Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[hairykrishna]

PRTVR said:

People might be interested in this link, re altering data to produce rising temperatures
https://youtu.be/tlnwhcO5NC0

At about 24 minutes a report is shown that removed the (adjustments) and this shows no temperature rise.
Warning...... have not checked any contributers to see if they went to church or had any association with "big oil" or coal, they may or may not have used coal on their log burner.

Land temperature adjustments tend to push the warming up, ocean downwards. The net effect in the big global data sets is to reduce the amount of observed warming, not exaggerate it.

We've only covered this about a thousand times. There's lots of papers in the literature where people have done proper studies comparing adjusted stations to the trend from others etc.

[Jinx]

hairykrishna said:

Land temperature adjustments tend to push the warming up, ocean downwards. The net effect in the big global data sets is to reduce the amount of observed warming, not exaggerate it.

We've only covered this about a thousand times. There's lots of papers in the literature where people have done proper studies comparing adjusted stations to the trend from others etc.

HK earlier:

[Jasandjules]

robinessex said:

The Beeb should be independent, and publish NEWS, not PROPAGANDA

You know where a significant portion of their pension pot is right?

[turbobloke]

Can't make it, but this could be good (it's not a walk-in event).

Yellow Vests & Carbon Taxes: What's going on in France?

Speaker: Benoît Rittaud
When: Tuesday 18th December, 2018 from 6:00 pm - 8:00 pm
Where: 55 Tufton Street, Westminster, SW1P 3QL

Benoît Rittaud is a mathematician and senior lecturer at the University Paris-13. Benoît is a specialist on dynamical systems and number theory and the author of numerous books which have been translated worldwide. He is the president of the French Association of Climate Realists. He also runs one of the most-read climate-realist blogs in the French-speaking world.


It's not unknown for a transcript to be published and / or a vid to appear online after a day or three.

[durbster]

PRTVR said:

People might be interested in this link, re altering data to produce rising temperatures
https://youtu.be/tlnwhcO5NC0

At about 24 minutes a report is shown that removed the (adjustments) and this shows no temperature rise.
Warning...... have not checked any contributers to see if they went to church or had any association with "big oil" or coal, they may or may not have used coal on their log burner.

Oh great, yet another mental YouTube channel hawking conspiracy theories about everything, from poisoning your water to 9/11. That's definitely the best place to educate yourself.

Seriously, does it never even occur to you that, the fact you're reduced to scraping around the bottom of the YouTube barrel - which even for the internet is a particularly deep, dark and insane barrel - just to find something that supports your position, it's perhaps time to re-evaluate your position?

Is there no part of you that wishes to apply even the most basic notion of critical thinking? No curiosity at all?

Data adjustments are publicly available. You can just go and have a look. Nobody's covering anything up.

YouTube's algorithms have a lot to answer for.

[turbobloke]

hairykrishna said:

Land temperature adjustments tend to push the warming up, ocean downwards. The net effect in the big global data sets is to reduce the amount of observed warming, not exaggerate it.

The raw and adjusted global data published by NOAA contradict that assertion.

NOAA is an appealing authority, with many experts.

You need to get in touch and point out their error(s).

hairykrishna said:

We've only covered this about a thousand times.

And yet you keep getting it wrong. Amazing.

[turbobloke]

How many previous COP-outs have descended into a wailing last chance saloon? Check it out.

[Lotus 50]

Jasandjules said:

You know where a significant portion of their pension pot is right?

BP?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mypension/aboutthescheme/top...

[turbobloke]

Porcine aviation breakthrough? News that the beeb exec conplaints people have overturned an initial decision to dismiss.

Perseverance pays (nb it wasn't me complaining) as shown by the guts of the response reproduced below.

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

Porcine aviation breakthrough? News that the beeb exec conplaints people have overturned an initial decision to dismiss.

Perseverance pays (nb it wasn't me complaining) as shown by the guts of the response reproduced below.

So who is eating all of the fish?

[turbobloke]

China...interesting times.

China To Build 66 New Airports Over The Next Five Years | The Nanfang (2016)

Phew - they may well be cutting back a bit (or slowing down) according to this:

China Building 8 New Airports Every Year | World Economic Forum (2018)

Then again:

Satellite Images Show 'Runaway' Expansion of Coal Power Stations in China | Guardian (2018)

Words, say hello to deeds.

Did this get a mention at the current COP-out yadafest? Paris

[durbster]

I see the new season of turbobloke's propaganda campaign has started. Oh joy.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

LongQ said:

turbobloke said:

Porcine aviation breakthrough? News that the beeb exec conplaints people have overturned an initial decision to dismiss.

Perseverance pays (nb it wasn't me complaining) as shown by the guts of the response reproduced below.

So who is eating all of the fish?

C02 has become carnivorous it seems.

[robinessex]

durbster said:

I see the new season of turbobloke's propaganda campaign has started. Oh joy.

You should be renamed dumbster for that rubbish. TB has posted more genuine CC stuff than all you belivers together your only recourse is "we believe"

[durbster]

robinessex said:

durbster said:

I see the new season of turbobloke's propaganda campaign has started. Oh joy.

You should be renamed dumbster for that rubbish. TB has posted more genuine CC stuff than all you belivers together your only recourse is "we believe"

Beware false prophets, robinessex.

[stew-STR160]

durbster said:

robinessex said:

durbster said:

I see the new season of turbobloke's propaganda campaign has started. Oh joy.

You should be renamed dumbster for that rubbish. TB has posted more genuine CC stuff than all you belivers together your only recourse is "we believe"

Beware false prophets, robinessex.

Like, Al Gore?

[gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

durbster said:

I see the new season of turbobloke's propaganda campaign has started. Oh joy.

You should be renamed dumbster for that rubbish. TB has posted more genuine CC stuff than all you belivers together your only recourse is "we believe"

And you should be renamed sucklingbloke, where's dicky to fire off a quick report to the mods?

[JustALooseScrew]

The Don of Croy said:

Meanwhile, back in the real world;

"Climate campaigners are calling on the BBC to declare a climate emergency and make the issue its top editorial priority."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/1...

They have a way with words -

"“We must collectively do whatever’s necessary non-violently, to persuade politicians and business leaders to relinquish their complacency and denial,” their open letter stated."

Almost feels like they are fearing 'The End Of Days'.

To me as an AGW CO2 skeptic (I do not consider CO2 a threat to the planet or humanity), I'm finding it harder and harder to believe either side.

Any useful data just seems to be so corrupted, corrected or polluted/politisised that 'the message' is driven on nothing more than computer models - at which point observational science is lost, out of the window.

I wish there was some other research going on that looked at counter claims regarding CO2 being the cause of any difficult to really determine global warming. (How do you measure the temperature of a planet anyway?)

The whole affair to me is a sham and colossal waste of money.

[dickymint]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

durbster said:

I see the new season of turbobloke's propaganda campaign has started. Oh joy.

You should be renamed dumbster for that rubbish. TB has posted more genuine CC stuff than all you belivers together your only recourse is "we believe"

And you should be renamed sucklingbloke, where's dicky to fire off a quick report to the mods?

Here I am

Edited to add: there’s a perfectly on topic post above mine so why not respond to that as opposed to your usual off topic dribble?

Edited by dickymint on Monday 17th December 16:13

[anonymous-user]

robinessex said:

durbster said:

I see the new season of turbobloke's propaganda campaign has started. Oh joy.

You should be renamed dumbster for that rubbish. TB has posted more genuine CC stuff than all you belivers together your only recourse is "we believe"

Classic cult brainwashing. havent you read the amount of times his links and sources have been discredited and shown to be wrong. Even scientists publishing papers have come on and said he’s talking nonsense.

You follow him instead of the scientific community. Why?

Classic stressman myopia.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 17th December 16:22