Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

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gadgetmac

4,544 posts

46 months

Thursday 10th January
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Jinx said:
El stovey said:
Bit vague and elusive as usual. Possibly to do with numbers though, could be a boffin, maybe even a scientist or an engineer, maybe not. hehe
Open forums are not really the place to discuss professional roles. Lets just say I work with lots of data some of which is highly relevant to the area we are discussing.
...I'll get my Space Suit...

El stovey

24,717 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th January
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Diderot said:
Show me where I claimed I was a scientist.

And while we’re on the subject of jobs, what kind of illustrious career do you enjoy?
As you know, his job isn’t relevant as he’s not the one saying he’s right and the scientific community and every scientific institution on earth are wrong.

That’s what you’re saying so it’s reasonable to ask how you are qualified to make such statements. Obviously you’re not, that’s why you, like your other sceptics are always so elusive (at best) about their expertise.





wc98

6,942 posts

78 months

Thursday 10th January
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Diderot said:
Show me where I claimed I was a scientist.

And while we’re on the subject of jobs, what kind of illustrious career do you enjoy?
gadgy doesn't answer questions, only demands answers to his own. you could probably make a good guess though wink

gadgetmac

4,544 posts

46 months

Thursday 10th January
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El stovey said:
Diderot said:
Show me where I claimed I was a scientist.

And while we’re on the subject of jobs, what kind of illustrious career do you enjoy?
As you know, his job isn’t relevant as he’s not the one saying he’s right and the scientific community and every scientific institution on earth are wrong.

That’s what you’re saying so it’s reasonable to ask how you are qualified to make such statements. Obviously you’re not, that’s why you, like your other sceptics are always so elusive (at best) about their expertise.
Nail. On. Head.

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gadgetmac

4,544 posts

46 months

Thursday 10th January
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wc98 said:
Diderot said:
Show me where I claimed I was a scientist.

And while we’re on the subject of jobs, what kind of illustrious career do you enjoy?
gadgy doesn't answer questions, only demands answers to his own. you could probably make a good guess though wink
He might be able to guess, he's got an ology and everyfink.

You however, much less chance. biggrin
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Jinx

8,749 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th January
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El stovey said:
As you know, his job isn’t relevant as he’s not the one saying he’s right and the scientific community and every scientific institution on earth are wrong.

That’s what you’re saying so it’s reasonable to ask how you are qualified to make such statements. Obviously you’re not, that’s why you, like your other sceptics are always so elusive (at best) about their expertise.
Allowing arguments to stand on their own merits rather than the "look at my qualifications" modus operandi requested above is surely the better form of discussion?

Or they've seen what happened to Prof. Peter Ridd and value their employment.

Diderot

3,795 posts

130 months

Thursday 10th January
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gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Show me where I claimed I was a scientist.

And while we’re on the subject of jobs, what kind of illustrious career do you enjoy?
No. Let's go back to the question your been refusing to answer for months first.

This is my last attempt after which I won't be replying to any questions you specifically put to me.

What is the issue between the RS and TATA that you keep alluding too but never explain???
‘Your been refusing’? Good grief man.





El stovey

24,717 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th January
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Jinx said:
El stovey said:
As you know, his job isn’t relevant as he’s not the one saying he’s right and the scientific community and every scientific institution on earth are wrong.

That’s what you’re saying so it’s reasonable to ask how you are qualified to make such statements. Obviously you’re not, that’s why you, like your other sceptics are always so elusive (at best) about their expertise.
Allowing arguments to stand on their own merits rather than the "look at my qualifications" modus operandi requested above is surely the better form of discussion?
I’m afraid you fail on that basis also. That’s why you guys quote whatsupwiththat and the GWPF as evidence all the time.

You’d all make these appeals to authority if you had any authority on your side, but alas there are none.

robinessex

6,782 posts

119 months

Thursday 10th January
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Isn't the man in the street allowed an opinion then?

Jinx

8,749 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th January
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El stovey said:
I’m afraid you fail on that basis also. That’s why you guys quote whatsupwiththat and the GWPF as evidence all the time.

You’d all make these appeals to authority if you had any authority on your side, but alas there are none.
You'll find I mainly provide links to the data (via woodfortrees) and other similar links and point out fallacies and other logic fails (one of which is argumentum ab auctoritate) .
This isn't so much for the purpose of winning over contributors but for the passive readers of this thread who are willing to question the current CO2 GBoBTWBoBNT zeitgeist.
I'd suggest everyone does find the time to read the IPCC AR5 as the obvious disconnect from the science to the executive summary is stark and at odds with a lot of the hysterical press releases. Then move onto Searching for the Catastrophe Signal and other books that give a good description of the political paradigm that created the IPCC in the first place.
Don't let them think for you and don't trust anyone who says they will do the "fact" checking for you.

Diderot

3,795 posts

130 months

Thursday 10th January
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El stovey said:
Jinx said:
El stovey said:
As you know, his job isn’t relevant as he’s not the one saying he’s right and the scientific community and every scientific institution on earth are wrong.

That’s what you’re saying so it’s reasonable to ask how you are qualified to make such statements. Obviously you’re not, that’s why you, like your other sceptics are always so elusive (at best) about their expertise.
Allowing arguments to stand on their own merits rather than the "look at my qualifications" modus operandi requested above is surely the better form of discussion?
I’m afraid you fail on that basis also. That’s why you guys quote whatsupwiththat and the GWPF as evidence all the time.

You’d all make these appeals to authority if you had any authority on your side, but alas there are none.
Never any need to make appeals to authority.

Have you heard of Glaciergate Stovey?

El stovey

24,717 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th January
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robinessex said:
Isn't the man in the street allowed an opinion then?
Obviously especially as it’s a discussion forum but at the same time you have to expect those opinions to be treated with incredulity when they go against the scientific community and are based on nothing of any substance.

gadgetmac

4,544 posts

46 months

Thursday 10th January
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Diderot said:
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Show me where I claimed I was a scientist.

And while we’re on the subject of jobs, what kind of illustrious career do you enjoy?
No. Let's go back to the question your been refusing to answer for months first.

This is my last attempt after which I won't be replying to any questions you specifically put to me.

What is the issue between the RS and TATA that you keep alluding too but never explain???
‘Your been refusing’? Good grief man.
So this time it's a phone auto correct that you'll use to not answer the question.

roflroflrofl

A scientist? What a joke.

El stovey

24,717 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th January
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gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Show me where I claimed I was a scientist.

And while we’re on the subject of jobs, what kind of illustrious career do you enjoy?
No. Let's go back to the question your been refusing to answer for months first.

This is my last attempt after which I won't be replying to any questions you specifically put to me.

What is the issue between the RS and TATA that you keep alluding too but never explain???
‘Your been refusing’? Good grief man.
So this time it's a phone auto correct that you'll use to not answer the question.

roflroflrofl

A scientist? What a joke.
To be fair, he said university professor so he might be a professor of English literature or Sociology or something.

dickymint

16,185 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th January
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Jinx said:
El stovey said:
I’m afraid you fail on that basis also. That’s why you guys quote whatsupwiththat and the GWPF as evidence all the time.

You’d all make these appeals to authority if you had any authority on your side, but alas there are none.
You'll find I mainly provide links to the data (via woodfortrees) and other similar links and point out fallacies and other logic fails (one of which is argumentum ab auctoritate) .
This isn't so much for the purpose of winning over contributors but for the passive readers of this thread who are willing to question the current CO2 GBoBTWBoBNT zeitgeist.
I'd suggest everyone does find the time to read the IPCC AR5 as the obvious disconnect from the science to the executive summary is stark and at odds with a lot of the hysterical press releases. Then move onto Searching for the Catastrophe Signal and other books that give a good description of the political paradigm that created the IPCC in the first place.
Don't let them think for you and don't trust anyone who says they will do the "fact" checking for you.
This is quite revealing...................

Leading Scientist Removes His Name from 'silly' and 'apocalyptic' Climate Change Document

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2014/03/25/climat...

El stovey

24,717 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th January
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dickymint said:
This is quite revealing...................

Leading Scientist Removes His Name from 'silly' and 'apocalyptic' Climate Change Document

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2014/03/25/climat...
Are you actually quoting breitbart?

chrispmartha

3,977 posts

67 months

Thursday 10th January
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El stovey said:
dickymint said:
This is quite revealing...................

Leading Scientist Removes His Name from 'silly' and 'apocalyptic' Climate Change Document

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2014/03/25/climat...
Are you actually quoting breitbart?
And quoting something that is against what he believes

“You have a very silly statement in the draft summary that says that people who live in war-torn countries are more vulnerable to climate change, which is undoubtedly true.”

Undoubtedly true.

gadgetmac

4,544 posts

46 months

Thursday 10th January
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El stovey said:
dickymint said:
This is quite revealing...................

Leading Scientist Removes His Name from 'silly' and 'apocalyptic' Climate Change Document

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2014/03/25/climat...
Are you actually quoting breitbart?
Trump and the libertarians daily journal of choice.

El stovey

24,717 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th January
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Jinx said:
You'll find I mainly provide links to the data (via woodfortrees) and other similar links and point out fallacies and other logic fails (one of which is argumentum ab auctoritate) .
This isn't so much for the purpose of winning over contributors but for the passive readers of this thread who are willing to question the current CO2 GBoBTWBoBNT zeitgeist.
I'd suggest everyone does find the time to read the IPCC AR5 as the obvious disconnect from the science to the executive summary is stark and at odds with a lot of the hysterical press releases. Then move onto Searching for the Catastrophe Signal and other books that give a good description of the political paradigm that created the IPCC in the first place.
Don't let them think for you and don't trust anyone who says they will do the "fact" checking for you.
So that’s great, your job in “data” has empowered you to analyse data related to the subject and let you to conclude that the scientific community and scientific institutions have interpreted it wrongly or are lying about their findings?

So have you done anything with this discovery of yours? It’s a pretty earth shattering discovery that you’ve made, could you do more with it than post about it here perhaps?

These revelations would change the scientific consensus, make you world famous and pretty much change the course of humanity.

I’m just finding it hard to understand how you know about all these travesties in science and politics happening but aren’t doing anything with your discovery?

gadgetmac

4,544 posts

46 months

Thursday 10th January
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Not to mention make him a very rich man...he'd never have to work in "data" again.

Alas I don't think he'll avail himself of these fame and glory opportunities. frown