Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Apparently the Weather Channel is hyping hyping a study that claims to show ‘climate change’ causes both starvation & obesity. No mention of acne. Gaia certainly moves in mysterious ways.
More snow less snow, cooling is the new warming and tax gas needs viagra,
Why only apparently? You’ve heard about this somewhere but you’re not sure if it’s true? More snow less snow, cooling is the new warming and tax gas needs viagra,
Perhaps you read a link on an advocacy blog you’re reluctant to link to?
Why not just plagiarise the article again and post it as your own work?
Stovey, if Global Warming is such an immediate and present threat to the existence of the planet and mankind, and if you really believe this to be the case, then the very least you should do is to resign and stop flying your infernal, CO2 spewing, fossil fuel burning climate change causing, planes. Or maybe you don't really believe CO2 is the Devil incarnate? or maybe you're simply a hypocrite?
Which is it?
Which is it?
Interesting piece from the logical people over at the GWPF, following the mass indoctrination of school children and pushing them to 'strike' last week...
It wouldn't be quite so bad if, when AGW has proved itself to be nonsense in a couple of decades time, that the people now pushing it and indoctrinating children (and adults) are held to account. But I'm pretty sure they won't be. They'll just toddle off into the sunset as if the greatest lie ever told meant nothing.
https://www.thegwpf.com/lessons-from-the-school-st...
Article said:
In the run up to the day of action, the school strike was widely advertised on TV and radio. On the day itself, every news outlet gave sympathetic and widespread coverage. The government Minister responsible for energy policy, Claire Perry, gave her public endorsement. It was a children’s protest which had the blessing and active support of many well-educated parents, teachers and politicians.
So, what did the children and teenagers say in interviews? What did they write on their placards? What are they saying to us?
So, what did the children and teenagers say in interviews? What did they write on their placards? What are they saying to us?
Snippet said:
Emotional appeals are replacing political discussion and debate. Protecting children is one of the strongest instincts we have. Using children to advance the climate agenda has a powerful appeal. We feel morally obliged to support it. Interestingly, it shows that ‘the establishment’ is unconsciously aware that rational appeals to adults are not working and they are falling back on emotional appeals via children.
I find it sickening. It wouldn't be quite so bad if, when AGW has proved itself to be nonsense in a couple of decades time, that the people now pushing it and indoctrinating children (and adults) are held to account. But I'm pretty sure they won't be. They'll just toddle off into the sunset as if the greatest lie ever told meant nothing.
https://www.thegwpf.com/lessons-from-the-school-st...
Diderot said:
Stovey, if Global Warming is such an immediate and present threat to the existence of the planet and mankind, and if you really believe this to be the case, then the very least you should do is to resign and stop flying your infernal, CO2 spewing, fossil fuel burning climate change causing, planes. Or maybe you don't really believe CO2 is the Devil incarnate? or maybe you're simply a hypocrite?
Which is it?
Shall we stop cooking with gas as well? Maybe I won't use a pencil anymore too.Which is it?
deeps said:
I find it sickening.
It wouldn't be quite so bad if, when AGW has proved itself to be nonsense in a couple of decades time, that the people now pushing it and indoctrinating children (and adults) are held to account. But I'm pretty sure they won't be. They'll just toddle off into the sunset as if the greatest lie ever told meant nothing.
https://www.thegwpf.com/lessons-from-the-school-st...
If you and the secretive GWPF find it sickening I know we're doing something right.It wouldn't be quite so bad if, when AGW has proved itself to be nonsense in a couple of decades time, that the people now pushing it and indoctrinating children (and adults) are held to account. But I'm pretty sure they won't be. They'll just toddle off into the sunset as if the greatest lie ever told meant nothing.
https://www.thegwpf.com/lessons-from-the-school-st...
Well done kids, it's your future after all
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Stovey, if Global Warming is such an immediate and present threat to the existence of the planet and mankind, and if you really believe this to be the case, then the very least you should do is to resign and stop flying your infernal, CO2 spewing, fossil fuel burning climate change causing, planes. Or maybe you don't really believe CO2 is the Devil incarnate? or maybe you're simply a hypocrite?
Which is it?
Shall we stop cooking with gas as well? Maybe I won't use a pencil anymore too.Which is it?
It's The Sun wots doin' it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/8457153/uk-...
Taking from the poor to give to rich individuals and well-off nations is just dandy.
UK spent £440million of foreign aid last year on green schemes in well-off countries.
The Sun, 19/02/19
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/8457153/uk-...
Taking from the poor to give to rich individuals and well-off nations is just dandy.
UK spent £440million of foreign aid last year on green schemes in well-off countries.
The Sun, 19/02/19
Diderot said:
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Stovey, if Global Warming is such an immediate and present threat to the existence of the planet and mankind, and if you really believe this to be the case, then the very least you should do is to resign and stop flying your infernal, CO2 spewing, fossil fuel burning climate change causing, planes. Or maybe you don't really believe CO2 is the Devil incarnate? or maybe you're simply a hypocrite?
Which is it?
Shall we stop cooking with gas as well? Maybe I won't use a pencil anymore too.Which is it?
turbobloke said:
It's The Sun wots doin' it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/8457153/uk-...
Taking from the poor to give to rich individuals and well-off nations is just dandy.
UK spent £440million of foreign aid last year on green schemes in well-off countries.
The Sun, 19/02/19
We can afford it, we're getting £350 million a week back from the EU that you told us to leave.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/8457153/uk-...
Taking from the poor to give to rich individuals and well-off nations is just dandy.
UK spent £440million of foreign aid last year on green schemes in well-off countries.
The Sun, 19/02/19
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Stovey, if Global Warming is such an immediate and present threat to the existence of the planet and mankind, and if you really believe this to be the case, then the very least you should do is to resign and stop flying your infernal, CO2 spewing, fossil fuel burning climate change causing, planes. Or maybe you don't really believe CO2 is the Devil incarnate? or maybe you're simply a hypocrite?
Which is it?
Shall we stop cooking with gas as well? Maybe I won't use a pencil anymore too.Which is it?
It was never exactly a high-quality thread but Diderot's comically poor arguments and copy-pastes from the GWPF is pretty much all they have got left now.
How climate denial blogs undermine scientific understanding
The summary:
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-cl...
The publication:
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/68/4/2...
Obviously Crockford gets mauled in it – as you would expect. Fake experts are the way of the denier.
An extract:
Approximately 80% of the denier blogs cited here referred to one particular denier blog, Polar Bear Science, by Susan Crockford, as their primary source of discussion and debate on the status of polar bears. Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on the effects of sea ice on the population dynamics of polar bears. However, she has published notes and “briefings” through a conservative think tank, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), and is described by them as “an expert on polarbear evolution.”
Similarly, the Heartland Institute, another conservative think tank that downplays AGW, describes her as “one of the world's foremost experts on polar bears.” Prominent among blogs giving Crockford's blog disproportionate attention are WUWT and CD, suggesting that her blog reaches a large audience.
The study received zero external funding.
The summary:
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-cl...
The publication:
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/68/4/2...
Obviously Crockford gets mauled in it – as you would expect. Fake experts are the way of the denier.
An extract:
Approximately 80% of the denier blogs cited here referred to one particular denier blog, Polar Bear Science, by Susan Crockford, as their primary source of discussion and debate on the status of polar bears. Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on the effects of sea ice on the population dynamics of polar bears. However, she has published notes and “briefings” through a conservative think tank, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), and is described by them as “an expert on polarbear evolution.”
Similarly, the Heartland Institute, another conservative think tank that downplays AGW, describes her as “one of the world's foremost experts on polar bears.” Prominent among blogs giving Crockford's blog disproportionate attention are WUWT and CD, suggesting that her blog reaches a large audience.
The study received zero external funding.
gadgetmac said:
Woah their yourself Jet_noise.
It was initially a "secret" project? Why a secret?
Watts never revealed this source of income until it leaked.
We only have his word for what it was for.
We also don't know what he's received since.
I never said it was for his blog in particular just that he received it.
That said, it is for work to be published on his blog at some point.
Watts, like Willie Soon, is just another conspiracy theorist for hire albeit one without any climate background (No, a TV weather presenter with zero qualifications is not a climate scientist).
Just spotted the date on this: 2012.It was initially a "secret" project? Why a secret?
Watts never revealed this source of income until it leaked.
We only have his word for what it was for.
We also don't know what he's received since.
I never said it was for his blog in particular just that he received it.
That said, it is for work to be published on his blog at some point.
Watts, like Willie Soon, is just another conspiracy theorist for hire albeit one without any climate background (No, a TV weather presenter with zero qualifications is not a climate scientist).
That's a lot of dredging for so little reward, just think of the gazillions contributed to climate alarm in the same period.
Much under-bridge water has flowed since then.
Further the documents were not "leaked" they were stolen by a Professor Gleick fraudulently imitating a Heartland member.
And some of the documents were also faked although not the Watts support.
Watts is of course under no obligation to tell you what he is choosing to do nor who, on the rare occasion that such happens, pays for it.
edited, remembered who the thief was!
Edited by jet_noise on Wednesday 20th February 11:43
The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.
The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
gadgetmac said:
The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.
The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
I never gave our government permission to use/waste my tax money to investigate CC. What private companies choose to do with theirs is their businessThe millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
gadgetmac said:
The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.
The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
"Leaked or stolen it matters not"The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
That's an unusual position.
Gleick was within an inch of prosecution for it.
Hardly covers the alarmist cause with glory does it?
robinessex said:
gadgetmac said:
The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.
The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
I never gave our government permission to use/waste my tax money to investigate CC. What private companies choose to do with theirs is their businessThe millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.
See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.
Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.
jet_noise said:
"Leaked or stolen it matters not"
That's an unusual position.
Gleick was within an inch of prosecution for it.
Hardly covers the alarmist cause with glory does it?
It's not an unusual position at all. If subterfuge is at work then it doesn't matter how it gets out because knowledge is king. That's an unusual position.
Gleick was within an inch of prosecution for it.
Hardly covers the alarmist cause with glory does it?
Within an inch may as well be 100 miles away.
No answer as to why the project was "secret" then?
gadgetmac said:
jet_noise said:
"Leaked or stolen it matters not"
That's an unusual position.
Gleick was within an inch of prosecution for it.
Hardly covers the alarmist cause with glory does it?
It's not an unusual position at all. If subterfuge is at work then it doesn't matter how it gets out because knowledge is king. That's an unusual position.
Gleick was within an inch of prosecution for it.
Hardly covers the alarmist cause with glory does it?
Within an inch may as well be 100 miles away.
No answer as to why the project was "secret" then?
I repeat the answer I made at 11:40:
Watts is of course under no obligation to tell you what he is choosing to do nor who, on the rare occasion that such happens, pays for it.
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