Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[gadgetmac]

jet_noise said:

gadgetmac said:

jet_noise said:

"Leaked or stolen it matters not"
That's an unusual position.
Gleick was within an inch of prosecution for it.
Hardly covers the alarmist cause with glory does it?

It's not an unusual position at all. If subterfuge is at work then it doesn't matter how it gets out because knowledge is king.

Within an inch may as well be 100 miles away.

No answer as to why the project was "secret" then?

That's a very fine line (spin) you're straddling. You say subterfuge I say criminal activity.

I repeat the answer I made at 11:40:
Watts is of course under no obligation to tell you what he is choosing to do nor who, on the rare occasion that such happens, pays for it.

Of course he isn't but then you can hardly all whine when it's revealed he's being paid by corporations who solely want him to further their cause.

They're not going to pay him to come up with anything that casts their industry in a bad light

[robinessex]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

gadgetmac said:

The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.

The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.

See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.

Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.

I never gave our government permission to use/waste my tax money to investigate CC. What private companies choose to do with theirs is their business

Yes but I and millions of others did...so what's your point?

Oh really? Show me how they asked then? And how you/we/us gave them permission.

[TTwiggy]

robinessex said:

Oh really? Show me how they asked then? And how you/we/us gave them permission.

Maybe you could list a few things you did specifically allow this (or any other) government to do?

[robinessex]

TTwiggy said:

robinessex said:

Oh really? Show me how they asked then? And how you/we/us gave them permission.

Maybe you could list a few things you did specifically allow this (or any other) government to do?

Would that be the government I never voted for in the first place?

[gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

gadgetmac said:

The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.

The millions secretly donated by the oil companies and their lackeys are for entirely the opposite reason...self interest.

See Watts, the GWPF, Heartland and others never confirming their sources for details.

Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.

I never gave our government permission to use/waste my tax money to investigate CC. What private companies choose to do with theirs is their business

Yes but I and millions of others did...so what's your point?

Oh really? Show me how they asked then? And how you/we/us gave them permission.

FFS how simple can you be? I don't get asked whether I want my taxes spent on the armed forces or the NHS it's just assumed the vast majority do as it's in their interest to do so. Likewise funding for Cancer research or any other threatening issue.

It's the same with knowing if MM Climate Change is going to impact us - it's in our interest to know.

It's the fact that the answer that keeps coming back is not the one you want to hear makes it an issue for you.

Not for the vast majority of the rest of us though. You are a teeny-tiny minority in this.

[TTwiggy]

robinessex said:

TTwiggy said:

robinessex said:

Oh really? Show me how they asked then? And how you/we/us gave them permission.

Maybe you could list a few things you did specifically allow this (or any other) government to do?

Would that be the government I never voted for in the first place?

Nobody votes for the 'government'.

[robinessex]

Climate change: Death of the 'grandfather of climate science'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-472...

Wallace Broecker, the US climate scientist who helped popularise the term "global warming" has died in New York at the age of 87.
Prof Broecker was among the first to connect emissions of CO2 to rising temperatures back in the 1970s.
He also studied the ocean conveyor belt, linking oceanography to climate change.
Scientists the world over have paid tribute, calling Prof Broecker a "genius and pioneer"....continues

O hail mighty scientist!

[TTwiggy]

Using someone's death to score silly internet points? Classy.

[gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

O hail mighty scientist!

You REALLY are showing your anti-science bias.

Are you religious?

Where are you on Vaccinations?

[robinessex]

TTwiggy said:

Using someone's death to score silly internet points? Classy.

Don't think so. It was Matt McGrath (keep the cash coming in) who apportioned it.

[turbobloke]

Is somebody following in the footsteps of UEA CRU climate chap Dr Phil Jones? He who was cheered by the untimely death of John Daly ('Still Waiting For Greenhouse') the man whose website was available from time to time for climate scientists who found peer review gatekeeping by The Team obstructed their publications.

We know because he said so in an email. From Phil Jones to Michael Mann, on the death of Australian John Daly: "In an odd way this is cheering news!". Nice.

[turbobloke]

EU prepares to bid a fond farewell to its Paris commitment. "We'll always have (the memory of) Paris"

There will be no trade deal between the EU and US if the Trump administration follows through with its threat to withdraw from the Paris climate deal, a French minister said on Thursday. Speaking to parliament, foreign affairs minister Jean-Baptiste Lemoyne said: “One of our main demands is that any country who signs a trade agreement with EU should implement the Paris Agreement on the ground. No Paris Agreement, no trade agreement. The US knows what to expect.” -
Climate Home news, 2 February 2018

The EU is preparing to negotiate two trade agreements with the US, contrary to pledges to only strike deals with countries committed to the Paris Agreement. A committee of the European Parliament on Tuesday endorsed opening talks. The move flies in the face of European moves to integrate trade and climate action.
Climate Home News, 20 February 2019

Won't somebody think of the children planet trade deals? This is a massively urgent global crisis after all. Currently the rare and exciting event of a snowfall is all that stands between Gaia and the next tipping point (23rd Feb 5pm GMT est).

[wc98]

jet_noise said:

Woah there gadge. That's a mighty universe-from-a-grain-of-sand extrapolation jump.
As oft' is the case look at the detail, read the whole article and don't be suckered in by confirmation bias.

The article quotes Watts "Heartland was helping him with $90,000 for a new project".
A new project.
Not his blog.
Or ever before.
Or a regular salary.
One project one payment.

i understand it was to do with the latest surface station project ,i was just highlighting the hypocrisy when it comes to "funding" sources. funny how it took a bunch of so called bloggers and amateurs to highlight station sighting and maintenance issues. waste of time mentioning it in here though, the only warmist that will know anything about it,much like every other aspect of the topic ,will be durbs.

[wc98]

Randy Winkman said:

The link shows what I've often said i.e. that there's not one route to getting funding. If there's any chance there is sound scientific evidence that we are barking up the wrong the wrong tree and all wasting our money on global warming stuff there's a potential line of individuals, businesses and countries queuing-up to fund the additional research needed to prove it. Because there's more to gain from showing it isn't happening than from showing it is. Far more. But where are they?

this might come as a huge shock to you.if someone goes through their entire academic journey being taught that co2 is the cause of cagw ,all their funding through that process depends on acceptance of that narrative and any future tenure will be within an organisation whose raison d'etre is to raise as much funding as possible.where climate change is concerned the big bucks come with producing papers that don't rock the boat, anyone adopting a contrarian approach won't last five minutes. it is no surprise that academics challenging the status quo are either already tenured and developed the position after initially being supportive or work in the private sector.

if you doubt any of this go have a read of the jagdish shukla story to get an idea of the level of funding available and the lack of oversight in the funding process for the world is doomed lot. not so many questions get asked when you are promoting a government position,apparently.

[wc98]

gadgetmac said:

Watts, like Willie Soon, is just another conspiracy theorist for hire albeit one without any climate background (No, a TV weather presenter with zero qualifications is not a climate scientist).

highlighting your ignorance yet again. have a read of how arch believer anthony watts actually came to his current position. he also lives the life many of the warmist hypocrites advocate for everyone else apart from themselves. solar panels on his house, drives an electric car etc. you might not agree with his position on cagw , but he gets a lot of respect from many climate scientists due to how he goes about his business.

[gadgetmac]

wc98 said:

Randy Winkman said:

The link shows what I've often said i.e. that there's not one route to getting funding. If there's any chance there is sound scientific evidence that we are barking up the wrong the wrong tree and all wasting our money on global warming stuff there's a potential line of individuals, businesses and countries queuing-up to fund the additional research needed to prove it. Because there's more to gain from showing it isn't happening than from showing it is. Far more. But where are they?

this might come as a huge shock to you.if someone goes through their entire academic journey being taught that co2 is the cause of cagw ,all their funding through that process depends on acceptance of that narrative and any future tenure will be within an organisation whose raison d'etre is to raise as much funding as possible.where climate change is concerned the big bucks come with producing papers that don't rock the boat, anyone adopting a contrarian approach won't last five minutes. it is no surprise that academics challenging the status quo are either already tenured and developed the position after initially being supportive or work in the private sector.

if you doubt any of this go have a read of the jagdish shukla story to get an idea of the level of funding available and the lack of oversight in the funding process for the world is doomed lot. not so many questions get asked when you are promoting a government position,apparently.

And we’re back to the global conspiracy theory.

Excellent.

RW: look up climate change denier arguments, this is one of the 5 main ones. At some point this lot have used them all.

[wc98]

gadgetmac said:

The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.



Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.

ignorance to the fore yet again. someone used to post lists on here. the longest list anyone could post on this debate would be funding for climate activism from supposedly benevolent charitable funds.normal people would usually ask why the likes of goldman sachs are involved and virtually every large corporate and private foundation are throwing money at the likes of the sierra club,david suzuki foundation this lot has an interesting list of patrons https://www.climaterealityproject.org/ .

funding for climate activism is orders of magnitude greater than that for the sceptic side. leaked or stolen doesn't matter ? gleick is a self absorbed prick and the people he associates with no better. it says a lot about them that he was given an enhanced position post criminal activity .the ends justifies the means according to him and his crew.

[robinessex]

House Probe Reveals Audit Detailing Climate Change Researcher’s ‘Double Dipping’

Congressional investigators have obtained an internal audit from George Mason University that suggests that one of its professors—a major proponent of man-made climate change—mismanaged millions of dollars in taxpayer money by “double dipping” in violation of university policy.

The professor, Jagadish Shukla, received $511,410 in combined compensation from George Mason University and his own taxpayer-funded climate change research center in 2014 alone, without receiving required permission from university officials, the audit found........continues

https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/03/02/house-probe...

[gadgetmac]

wc98 said:

gadgetmac said:

The gazillions contributed to "climate, alarm" are from governments who represent the people trying to get at the truth of the situation in order to inform the said People.



Leaked or stolen, it matters not and only one of many documents was described as fake. The rest have been admitted to.

ignorance to the fore yet again. someone used to post lists on here. the longest list anyone could post on this debate would be funding for climate activism from supposedly benevolent charitable funds.normal people would usually ask why the likes of goldman sachs are involved and virtually every large corporate and private foundation are throwing money at the likes of the sierra club,david suzuki foundation this lot has an interesting list of patrons https://www.climaterealityproject.org/ .

funding for climate activism is orders of magnitude greater than that for the sceptic side. leaked or stolen doesn't matter ? gleick is a self absorbed prick and the people he associates with no better. it says a lot about them that he was given an enhanced position post criminal activity .the ends justifies the means according to him and his crew.

Go on then, start listing these wealthy patrons and the amounts donated and then tell me what they each stand to gain from donating to climate activism.

It’s a long list apparently so I’ll wait.

[deeps]

Interesting piece over at WUWT, highly recommended...


"Scott Adams: ‘The hockey stick is literally a symbol of lying’.


In this video, ‘Dilbert’ creator Scott Adams solves the climate debate and saves the world (really)."


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/20/scott-adams...