Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
The political blog Climate Depot shows Greenpeace co-founder Dr Moore being Trumpeted in a tweet..
So that wasn’t correct was it? 
He too doesn't understand the difference between founder and first member.
Even more good news (statesiders).
Declining Drought in the USA Over the Past Half-century
Climate model projections of more frequent and more severe drought events are not holding true for the conterminous United States, where data reveal a decline in these two parameters over the course of the past half-century. Mo et al.
Data! Climate models got it wrong? Not news just politics.
Declining Drought in the USA Over the Past Half-century
Climate model projections of more frequent and more severe drought events are not holding true for the conterminous United States, where data reveal a decline in these two parameters over the course of the past half-century. Mo et al.
Data! Climate models got it wrong? Not news just politics.
turbobloke said:
Even more good news (statesiders).
Declining Drought in the USA Over the Past Half-century
Climate model projections of more frequent and more severe drought events are not holding true for the conterminous United States, where data reveal a decline in these two parameters over the course of the past half-century. Mo et al.
Data! Climate models got it wrong? Not news just politics.
Is this science? It’s definitely not climate politics but it doesn’t look like science either.Declining Drought in the USA Over the Past Half-century
Climate model projections of more frequent and more severe drought events are not holding true for the conterminous United States, where data reveal a decline in these two parameters over the course of the past half-century. Mo et al.
Data! Climate models got it wrong? Not news just politics.
Maybe you and deeps (isn’t he a good little doggie) need a new thread just for spam and stuff from wattsupwiththat and the gwpf.
It gets better.
Yellowfin Bream an important marine fish species is unaffected by ocean pH changes while its growth is enhanced by elevated temperature. Coleman et al 2019
Marine species in 'we have adapted to natural climate change for ages' non-surprise.
Periods as per the recent past with natural modest warming are called climate optima for a very good reason.
Yellowfin Bream an important marine fish species is unaffected by ocean pH changes while its growth is enhanced by elevated temperature. Coleman et al 2019
Marine species in 'we have adapted to natural climate change for ages' non-surprise.
Periods as per the recent past with natural modest warming are called climate optima for a very good reason.
turbobloke said:
It gets better.
Yellowfin Bream an important marine fish species is unaffected by ocean pH changes while its growth is enhanced by elevated temperature. Coleman et al 2019
Marine species in 'we have adapted to natural climate change for ages' non-surprise.
Periods as per the recent past with natural modest warming are called climate optima for a very good reason.
Wrong thread as usual. Why would a real life scientist keep posting climate junk science in a climate politics thread? Yellowfin Bream an important marine fish species is unaffected by ocean pH changes while its growth is enhanced by elevated temperature. Coleman et al 2019
Marine species in 'we have adapted to natural climate change for ages' non-surprise.
Periods as per the recent past with natural modest warming are called climate optima for a very good reason.
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
Even more good news (statesiders).
Declining Drought in the USA Over the Past Half-century
Climate model projections of more frequent and more severe drought events are not holding true for the conterminous United States, where data reveal a decline in these two parameters over the course of the past half-century. Mo et al.
Data! Climate models got it wrong? Not news just politics.
Is this science? It’s definitely not climate politics but it doesn’t look like science either.Declining Drought in the USA Over the Past Half-century
Climate model projections of more frequent and more severe drought events are not holding true for the conterminous United States, where data reveal a decline in these two parameters over the course of the past half-century. Mo et al.
Data! Climate models got it wrong? Not news just politics.
Maybe you and deeps (isn’t he a good little doggie) need a new thread just for spam and stuff from wattsupwiththat and the gwpf.
robinessex said:
Ok Gadget and El, post something political then. Preferably not rude like you normally do.
We’re constantly posting about climate politics. Pointing out how people’s political world view has clouded their scientific judgement and how political advocacy blogs are influenced by their political backers. That’s the politics of climate science. How politics is influencing the debate.
Click and pasting the BBC like you do endlessly might sometimes be climate politics but your posts usually aren’t really.
I know I was talking about fuel saving the other day but that was in response to Diderot asking how you can fly an aircraft efficiently.
turbobloke said:
Internet archive aka Wayback Machine FTW.
Since you’re here unusually defending your misrepresentations, why did you plagiarise a text to pass it off as your own work and why do you hide the source of your click and pastes texts and why do you post lists of scientists and institutions that don’t actually agree with your position?Data Says No. No Climate Crisis.
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Joe B said:
Their (climate crisis) claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather in reality have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all.
It's politics. In the climate politics thread. Neat.turbobloke said:
Data Says No. No Climate Crisis.
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Worth posting the whole closing paragraph of that linkClick
Joe B said:
Their (climate crisis) claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather in reality have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all.
It's politics. In the climate politics thread. Neat."You can see how muddy the waters have become. The purity of what I love is being destroyed. How can this be? You are being told the numbers are out of control, yet I have provided four major metrics in which that is clearly not the case. I am not “cherry picking.” It is people pushing the issue that keep insisting that the opposite is happening, and they are using their claims to try to drive home a point that I believe is based on an agenda. Their claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather, in reality, have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all."
Says it all really, doesn't it?
robinessex said:
turbobloke said:
Data Says No. No Climate Crisis.
Click
Worth posting the whole closing paragraph of that linkClick
Joe B said:
Their (climate crisis) claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather in reality have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all.
It's politics. In the climate politics thread. Neat."You can see how muddy the waters have become. The purity of what I love is being destroyed. How can this be? You are being told the numbers are out of control, yet I have provided four major metrics in which that is clearly not the case. I am not “cherry picking.” It is people pushing the issue that keep insisting that the opposite is happening, and they are using their claims to try to drive home a point that I believe is based on an agenda. Their claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather, in reality, have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all."
Says it all really, doesn't it?
As the cofounder of Greenpeas has correctly pointed out, science and logic have been abandoned by greenblob activists including those who infiltrated and took over the organisation he cofounded. His description of them is ultraleftists and extremists waging trad left-wing warfare dressed up in environmental terminology.
robinessex said:
Worth posting the whole closing paragraph of that link
"You can see how muddy the waters have become. The purity of what I love is being destroyed. How can this be? You are being told the numbers are out of control, yet I have provided four major metrics in which that is clearly not the case. I am not “cherry picking.” It is people pushing the issue that keep insisting that the opposite is happening, and they are using their claims to try to drive home a point that I believe is based on an agenda. Their claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather, in reality, have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all."
Says it all really, doesn't it?
You’re quoting opinions of some blogger on what looks to be a nutty blog called the patriot post. Have you even looked at it? It’s all about leftists trying to take away your machine gun and links to Fox News and climate alarmism. "You can see how muddy the waters have become. The purity of what I love is being destroyed. How can this be? You are being told the numbers are out of control, yet I have provided four major metrics in which that is clearly not the case. I am not “cherry picking.” It is people pushing the issue that keep insisting that the opposite is happening, and they are using their claims to try to drive home a point that I believe is based on an agenda. Their claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather, in reality, have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all."
Says it all really, doesn't it?
"Greenpeace CoFounder: Global Warming Hoax Pushed by Corrupt Scientists Hooked on Government Grants"
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
Snips from the link said:
Moore explained how fear and guilt are leveraged by proponents of (manmadeup) climate change.
Scientists are co-opted and corrupted by politicians and bureaucracies invested in advancing the narrative of “climate change” in order to further centralize political power and control, explained Moore.
More Moore at the link.Scientists are co-opted and corrupted by politicians and bureaucracies invested in advancing the narrative of “climate change” in order to further centralize political power and control, explained Moore.
El stovey said:
robinessex said:
Worth posting the whole closing paragraph of that link
"You can see how muddy the waters have become. The purity of what I love is being destroyed. How can this be? You are being told the numbers are out of control, yet I have provided four major metrics in which that is clearly not the case. I am not “cherry picking.” It is people pushing the issue that keep insisting that the opposite is happening, and they are using their claims to try to drive home a point that I believe is based on an agenda. Their claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather, in reality, have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all."
Says it all really, doesn't it?
You’re quoting opinions of some blogger on what looks to be a nutty blog called the patriot post. Have you even looked at it? It’s all about leftists trying to take away your machine gun and links to Fox News and climate alarmism. "You can see how muddy the waters have become. The purity of what I love is being destroyed. How can this be? You are being told the numbers are out of control, yet I have provided four major metrics in which that is clearly not the case. I am not “cherry picking.” It is people pushing the issue that keep insisting that the opposite is happening, and they are using their claims to try to drive home a point that I believe is based on an agenda. Their claims are are clearly not in line with the examples shown above. Which is why I tell people that today’s dialogue on climate and weather, in reality, have little to do with climate and weather. That’s the biggest shame of all."
Says it all really, doesn't it?
There is a false assumption that someone that is an expert in meteorology is also an expert in climatology. In my observation of (and experience with) meteorology curricula in universities, it is very rigorous in meteorology, physics and advanced math as it should be.
However, many of the best programs really only require bachelor level graduates to take an introductory climatology course. That is not enough. Climatology should basically be a separate major in itself. My three degrees are also in meteorology, so I do not claim to be a climatology expert either, however, I am the director of University of Georgia’s Atmospheric Sciences program. In our curriculum, we have the full suite of meteorology courses but also offer courses that expose our students to physical climatology, applied climatology, climatology, global environmental change, paleoclimatology, radiative transfer, multivariate statistics, climate modeling and marine sciences.
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