Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
Technical primer for political types pining for hockey sticks.
https://climateaudit.org/2019/02/01/pages2k-2017-a...
Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit said:
From the perspective of PAGES2K (2017 version), it seems transparent that they plan to include even questionable borehole inversions in their composite in an effort to goose the inconveniently declining isotope data into a Hockey Stick.
A case of goose for the source.https://climateaudit.org/2019/02/01/pages2k-2017-a...
turbobloke said:
Chinese climate scientists: The so-called hiatus in global temperature is illuminating, significant and real.
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Another chance for the confused to confuse primary and secondary sources.
Another chance for you and the GWPF to misrepresent what the vast majority of Chinese scientists are saying more like.Click
Another chance for the confused to confuse primary and secondary sources.
Desertification in northern China affected by global warming, say Chinese scientists
https://gbtimes.com/desertification-in-northern-ch...
Chinese scientists call for control of global warming.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-12/01/c_1376...
Ocean temperatures to rise four times more quickly in next 40 years, warn US and Chinese scientists.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/21...
gadgetmac said:
turbobloke said:
Chinese climate scientists: The so-called hiatus in global temperature is illuminating, significant and real.
Click
Another chance for the confused to confuse primary and secondary sources.
Another chance for you and the GWPF to misrepresent what the vast majority of Chinese scientists are saying more like.Click
Another chance for the confused to confuse primary and secondary sources.
Desertification in northern China affected by global warming, say Chinese scientists
https://gbtimes.com/desertification-in-northern-ch...
Chinese scientists call for control of global warming.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-12/01/c_1376...
Ocean temperatures to rise four times more quickly in next 40 years, warn US and Chinese scientists.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/21...
From the first link that you either couldn't read or didn't bother to read (first scenario more likely with 99% confidence):
"Using a climate estimation model, scientists investigated the spatiotemporal features of evapotranspiration, which is known to heavily influence desertification, in the sandy areas of northern China. These experiments were carried out under conditions that allowed for an increase in global temperature of between of 1.5 and 2 C."
You really are hard of thinking and so very easily led. How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Your second link is riven with the conditional tense Sir Gadgetmac of Gullibleville:
CF: A team led by Su Buda, a research fellow with the Xinjiang Institute of Ecology and Geography under the Chinese Academy of Sciences, have found that if the global temperature rises by 1.5 degrees to 2 degrees Celcius, the intensity and impact of droughts could be more severe than the status quo.
They also found that if the global temperature rises by 1.5 degrees Celcius, the damages of droughts in China could be three times the average between 2006 and 2015.
"Against the backdrop of global warming, the world could face many more severe cases of drought," Su said. "We need to make more efforts to slow down global warming."
CF: A team led by Su Buda, a research fellow with the Xinjiang Institute of Ecology and Geography under the Chinese Academy of Sciences, have found that if the global temperature rises by 1.5 degrees to 2 degrees Celcius, the intensity and impact of droughts could be more severe than the status quo.
They also found that if the global temperature rises by 1.5 degrees Celcius, the damages of droughts in China could be three times the average between 2006 and 2015.
"Against the backdrop of global warming, the world could face many more severe cases of drought," Su said. "We need to make more efforts to slow down global warming."
turbobloke said:
Yet another Aus gov't hitting the wall over climate fairytales.
And again closer to home
Macron Consultancy Inc where are you rwhen needed
Why are you quoting what goes on in Australia? Is it because it's a country which is politically hostile to climate change?- Barnaby Joyce and senior Nationals MPs have warned that the Coalition agreement could be severed over energy policy
- Scott Morrison yesterday rejected a push to fund new coal-fired power plants in central Queensland
- Mr Joyce told The Australian the termination of the Coalition was an option on the table
And again closer to home
- Tensions between Ireland's “big two” parties over continuing Government co-operation have again surfaced
- The key issue is climate change and related major hikes in the carbon tax
Macron Consultancy Inc where are you rwhen needed
Despite the best efforts of Murdoch's "Australian" newspaper title and his other state titles, the Australian public has woken up to the fact that climate change is happening.
http://climate.anu.edu.au/news-media/australians-i...
For people like robinessex who can't concentrate on stuff he disagrees with, take a look at the 3rd paragraph of the main text:
"In 2018, almost 60% of respondents agree that global warming is a serious and pressing problem and that we should be taking steps now, even if this involves significant costs. This has increased from 36% in 2012. "
Apologies if his post has already been addressed...
braddo said:
Why are you quoting what goes on in Australia? Is it because it's a country which is politically hostile to climate change?
Despite the best efforts of Murdoch's "Australian" newspaper title and his other state titles, the Australian public has woken up to the fact that climate change is happening.
http://climate.anu.edu.au/news-media/australians-i...
For people like robinessex who can't concentrate on stuff he disagrees with, take a look at the 3rd paragraph of the main text:
"In 2018, almost 60% of respondents agree that global warming is a serious and pressing problem and that we should be taking steps now, even if this involves significant costs. This has increased from 36% in 2012. "
Apologies if his post has already been addressed...
Are you actually serious? "8 out of 10 cat owners who expressed a preference said their cats preferred it" Despite the best efforts of Murdoch's "Australian" newspaper title and his other state titles, the Australian public has woken up to the fact that climate change is happening.
http://climate.anu.edu.au/news-media/australians-i...
For people like robinessex who can't concentrate on stuff he disagrees with, take a look at the 3rd paragraph of the main text:
"In 2018, almost 60% of respondents agree that global warming is a serious and pressing problem and that we should be taking steps now, even if this involves significant costs. This has increased from 36% in 2012. "
Apologies if his post has already been addressed...
gadgetmac said:
Up all night again eh Deeps? How's that job in HR going?
A simple Google of your text takes you here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
Who founded Greenpeace? Not Patrick Moore.
Why don't you ever show your sources Deeps?
Like we don't know.
Funny how he himself doesn't claim to be a founder of Greenpeace, just the flat earthers trying to give their quotes from him some gravitas.
Yes he sailed on the first protest ship, but as a member not a founder, the declaration of interdependence is not the founding document of Greenpeace.
So there he is writing "please let me sail on your ship" and all of a sudden he's a founder.
Top 1% on the IQ Test, laughable.
You show your ignorance proudly, which is a rare gift. I've already explained several pages ago how I liked having alarmists search for and quote realist sources, hook line and sinker. A simple Google of your text takes you here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
Who founded Greenpeace? Not Patrick Moore.
Why don't you ever show your sources Deeps?
Like we don't know.
Funny how he himself doesn't claim to be a founder of Greenpeace, just the flat earthers trying to give their quotes from him some gravitas.
Yes he sailed on the first protest ship, but as a member not a founder, the declaration of interdependence is not the founding document of Greenpeace.
So there he is writing "please let me sail on your ship" and all of a sudden he's a founder.
Top 1% on the IQ Test, laughable.
Edited by gadgetmac on Thursday 14th March 08:58
Again, yawn, why do you keep repeating that you think I'm up all night? Has it any relevance, if so what? it seems to satisfy some personal angle for you? Elaborate if you wish but I won't hold my breath. The time now is 2:40 am.
As for "laughable", the funniest thing by a mile on this thread remains to be, and probably won't be beaten this year, that the two biggest believers of AGW theory also turn out to be the two biggest contributors of CO2 emissions on most likely the entire website. Hypocritical doesn't even come close. Gadget and Stovey.
Speaking of hypocrites... "Tesla Factory Store Uses Diesel Generators to Recharge Slow-moving Model 3 Inventory".
(2 minute read time)
As always, the comments are great...
Article said:
At the Burlingame, CA Tesla showroom and service center, though, PlainSite noticed dozens of unsold Model 3s filling their lot. Considering hundreds of thousands of customers gave Tesla deposits on Model 3s and considering those people waited years for mass production of the Model 3 to begin, it’s surprising a factory store has that much inventory. Sure, traditional car dealers often have hundreds of unsold vehicles in stock, but those dealers aren’t selling what is probably the most anticipated new sedan in decades.
Even more embarrassing to Tesla would be it’s oh-so-green public image getting besmirched by the use of fossil fuels, and that’s exactly what happened. PlainSite’s reporter also noticed a Tesla store employee trying to charge some unsold Model 3s whose batteries apparently discharged while waiting for their forever home, only he wasn’t wheeling around a commercial 12V battery charger. He was jockeying cars to a couple of Tesla charging stations, still mounted on wooden pallets, each of them hooked up to its own dedicated 300 kVA diesel-powered generator sitting on its own flatbed trailer.
It’s not easy being green.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/03/tesla-fa...Even more embarrassing to Tesla would be it’s oh-so-green public image getting besmirched by the use of fossil fuels, and that’s exactly what happened. PlainSite’s reporter also noticed a Tesla store employee trying to charge some unsold Model 3s whose batteries apparently discharged while waiting for their forever home, only he wasn’t wheeling around a commercial 12V battery charger. He was jockeying cars to a couple of Tesla charging stations, still mounted on wooden pallets, each of them hooked up to its own dedicated 300 kVA diesel-powered generator sitting on its own flatbed trailer.
It’s not easy being green.
(2 minute read time)
As always, the comments are great...
Commenter said:
you climate deniers..
I have a diesel vehicle and I often install a wind turbine or solar panels to boost my diesel tank when it runs low.
In fact it is so efficient , I rarely have to fill up at the gas station any more.
I have a diesel vehicle and I often install a wind turbine or solar panels to boost my diesel tank when it runs low.
In fact it is so efficient , I rarely have to fill up at the gas station any more.
Edited by deeps on Friday 15th March 02:59
Climate change: What are your questions?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-475...
Off you go then guys !!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-475...
Off you go then guys !!
Diderot said:
And quelle surprise Sir Gadgetmac of Gullibleville your third link seems to be riven with the conditional tense too.
Remind us once again what you were hoping to prove? And indeed remind us once again how many times you were dropped on your head as a baby?
Not so many times that I woke up thinking I was a professor that's for sure. Remind us once again what you were hoping to prove? And indeed remind us once again how many times you were dropped on your head as a baby?
The point was you clown that anybody can cut and paste links by the bucket load simply to drown out a thread with rubbish links. And once again it's to the GWPF who will no doubt have put their own slant on the stories as we've seen many times before.
Of course I don't expect someone with the IQ of a garden snail to have realised that.
deeps said:
braddo said:
Nice to see the verbose hegemony of turbobloke being given some fresh challenge in this fishbowl.
It would be nice, but where is the fresh challenge? We all see the same things differently of course, hence the debate, but seriously, where is the fresh challenge? 
t now rather than just fawned over by you Deeps who's readily admitted he's taught you a lot and who you got your primary source of links from A commentator said:
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
And quelle surprise Sir Gadgetmac of Gullibleville your third link seems to be riven with the conditional tense too.
Remind us once again what you were hoping to prove? And indeed remind us once again how many times you were dropped on your head as a baby?
Not so many times that I woke up thinking I was a professor that's for sure. Remind us once again what you were hoping to prove? And indeed remind us once again how many times you were dropped on your head as a baby?
The point was you clown that anybody can cut and paste links by the bucket load simply to drown out a thread with rubbish links. And once again it's to the GWPF who will no doubt have put their own slant on the stories as we've seen many times before.
Of course I don't expect someone with the IQ of a garden snail to have realised that.
The difference between you and i is that I wake up with my PhD credentials and my professorial chair, and you never wake up.
braddo said:
"In 2018, almost 60% of respondents agree that global warming is a serious and pressing problem and that we should be taking steps now, even if this involves significant costs. This has increased from 36% in 2012. "
Quite unbelievable you think that proves anything. 60% or respondents are sheep is more like it.gadgetmac said:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020312024101/http://...Snopes is wrong on this one.
And Greenpeace don't do themselves any favours by trying to re-write history - but it's good to see that so called fact checking sites are as unreliable as all other websites....
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
turbobloke said:
It gets better.
Yellowfin Bream an important marine fish species is unaffected by ocean pH changes while its growth is enhanced by elevated temperature. Coleman et al 2019
Marine species in 'we have adapted to natural climate change for ages' non-surprise.
Periods as per the recent past with natural modest warming are called climate optima for a very good reason.
to be fair i think that's how it works for quite a few marine fish species. massive difference in the growth rate between arctic cod and the populations further south.as cod get approach their limits of southerly distribution the growth rate increases.Yellowfin Bream an important marine fish species is unaffected by ocean pH changes while its growth is enhanced by elevated temperature. Coleman et al 2019
Marine species in 'we have adapted to natural climate change for ages' non-surprise.
Periods as per the recent past with natural modest warming are called climate optima for a very good reason.
gadgetmac said:
He's quoting a meteorologist. The ex president of the AMS said:
There is a false assumption that someone that is an expert in meteorology is also an expert in climatology. In my observation of (and experience with) meteorology curricula in universities, it is very rigorous in meteorology, physics and advanced math as it should be.
However, many of the best programs really only require bachelor level graduates to take an introductory climatology course. That is not enough. Climatology should basically be a separate major in itself. My three degrees are also in meteorology, so I do not claim to be a climatology expert either, however, I am the director of University of Georgia’s Atmospheric Sciences program. In our curriculum, we have the full suite of meteorology courses but also offer courses that expose our students to physical climatology, applied climatology, climatology, global environmental change, paleoclimatology, radiative transfer, multivariate statistics, climate modeling and marine sciences.
that maybe the case, i am supposing that it does enable one to establish whether measured/recorded metrics of various climatic phenomena are increasing, decreasing or showing no trend ?There is a false assumption that someone that is an expert in meteorology is also an expert in climatology. In my observation of (and experience with) meteorology curricula in universities, it is very rigorous in meteorology, physics and advanced math as it should be.
However, many of the best programs really only require bachelor level graduates to take an introductory climatology course. That is not enough. Climatology should basically be a separate major in itself. My three degrees are also in meteorology, so I do not claim to be a climatology expert either, however, I am the director of University of Georgia’s Atmospheric Sciences program. In our curriculum, we have the full suite of meteorology courses but also offer courses that expose our students to physical climatology, applied climatology, climatology, global environmental change, paleoclimatology, radiative transfer, multivariate statistics, climate modeling and marine sciences.
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