Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[gadgetmac]

I asked for Scientific Institutions. And ones that don't have the word 'Petrol' somewhere in their name

Some of those are trade associations. Did you even bother to background check any of them?

Take the New Orleans Geographical Society.

They are not a scientific Institute. There sole aim, as explained in their "About NOGS" section, is facilitating the development, exploration and production of Petroleum and Natural Gas.

You make Robinessex appear smart with that list.

[gadgetmac]

I'm out for a while, there's only so much stupid I can read in the course of a day. See you all later.

[Jinx]

gadgetmac said:

I asked for Scientific Institutions. And ones that don't have the word 'Petrol' somewhere in their name

Some of those are trade associations. Did you even bother to background check any of them?

Take the New Orleans Geographical Society.

They are not a scientific Institute. There sole aim, as explained in their "About NOGS" section, is facilitating the development, exploration and production of Petroleum and Natural Gas.

You make Robinessex appear smart with that list.

Matthew 7:5
Check the list of CAGW supporting organisations previously listed - some were formed purely to advance the CAGW meme.
But I guess Geology isn't scientific enough
You do know that people use "science" for practical things like finding oil and gas?

[zygalski]

So The Petrol Petrol of Petroleum Petrols is the go-to 'scientific institution' for AGW deniers.
That's nice.

[durbster]

Jinx said:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Society of Exploration Geophysicists
Society for Sedimentary Geology (formerly Society of Economic Paleontologists and Mineralogists)
Society of Petroleum Engineers
Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies
American Association of Petroleum Landmen (and women)
Independent Petroleum Association of America
Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists.
Houston Geological Society
New Orleans Geological Society
Society of Petrophysicists and and Well Log Analysts (a really fun bunch)
International Association of Geophysical Contractors
American Petroleum Institute
Offshore Oil Scouts Association
International Association of Oil & Gas Producers

HTH

Are you suggesting these organisations dispute the view that humans are causing warming?

I picked the first non-petrol one - Society of Exploration Geophysicists.

Their website says:

Society of Exploration Geophysicists said:

The earth is continuously undergoing climate change, but the current rate of change is expected to have an increasing impact on humanity. Human produced CO2 emissions are a significant factor. Many SEG members play a role in both understanding climate change and in managing CO2 emissions, including observing glacier and ice sheet volume, studying glacier hydrology, evaluating permafrost degradation, and evaluating and monitoring reservoirs for CO2 sequestration.

https://seg.org/About-SEG/Social-Contribution-of-Geophysics

Were you just hoping nobody would check?

[gadgetmac]

Jinx said:

gadgetmac said:

I asked for Scientific Institutions. And ones that don't have the word 'Petrol' somewhere in their name

Some of those are trade associations. Did you even bother to background check any of them?

Take the New Orleans Geographical Society.

They are not a scientific Institute. There sole aim, as explained in their "About NOGS" section, is facilitating the development, exploration and production of Petroleum and Natural Gas.

You make Robinessex appear smart with that list.

Matthew 7:5
Check the list of CAGW supporting organisations previously listed - some were formed purely to advance the CAGW meme.
But I guess Geology isn't scientific enough
You do know that people use "science" for practical things like finding oil and gas?

Can I get your list of those organisations previously listed which were formed "purely to advance the CAGW meme" please?

Together with supporting quotes or whatever you have.

Jesus.

This is the level of intellect shown by deniers on this thread

[gadgetmac]

durbster said:

Jinx said:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Society of Exploration Geophysicists
Society for Sedimentary Geology (formerly Society of Economic Paleontologists and Mineralogists)
Society of Petroleum Engineers
Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies
American Association of Petroleum Landmen (and women)
Independent Petroleum Association of America
Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists.
Houston Geological Society
New Orleans Geological Society
Society of Petrophysicists and and Well Log Analysts (a really fun bunch)
International Association of Geophysical Contractors
American Petroleum Institute
Offshore Oil Scouts Association
International Association of Oil & Gas Producers

HTH

Are you suggesting these organisations dispute the view that humans are causing warming?

I picked the first non-petrol one - Society of Exploration Geophysicists.

Their website says:

Society of Exploration Geophysicists said:

The earth is continuously undergoing climate change, but the current rate of change is expected to have an increasing impact on humanity. Human produced CO2 emissions are a significant factor. Many SEG members play a role in both understanding climate change and in managing CO2 emissions, including observing glacier and ice sheet volume, studying glacier hydrology, evaluating permafrost degradation, and evaluating and monitoring reservoirs for CO2 sequestration.

https://seg.org/About-SEG/Social-Contribution-of-Geophysics

Were you just hoping nobody would check?

The failure to check your facts or sources is a recurrent theme among this lot.

To be honest the flat earthers on the Netflix documentary look almost meticulous by comparison.

[zygalski]

The American Petroleum Institute has this to say:

https://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-gas/environmen...
WHAT'S CURRENT
Climate Change And Energy
It is clear that climate change is a serious issue that requires research for solutions and effective policies that allow us to meet our energy needs while protecting the environment: that's why oil and gas companies are working to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions.

https://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Policy/Environme...

Right now, the United States is leading the world inthe production and refining of oil and natural gas, as well as in the reduction of GHG emissions.
CO2 emissions from power generation in 2016 were near 30-year lows, in large part due to greater use of natural gas. And increased use of natural gas in the power generation sector has helped to reduce total CO2 emissions to their lowest level in nearly 25 years. This proves that Americans do not have to make the false choice between utilizing our nation’s energy resources and protecting the environment. The oil and gas industry considers climate change a very important issue and is engaging constructively to address this complex global challenge.

Edited by zygalski on Tuesday 19th March 15:44

[gadgetmac]

It's almost like he just plucked those names from some phone book hoping they'd all support his denial argument.

Anyway, after the complete bludgeoning the flat earthers have received over the last couple of days we must fully expect Turbobloke to ride to the rescue of his minions and flood the thread with a variety of non-political posts in order to move the spotlight away from the incompetence of his followers.

Expect WUWT and GWPF links to litter the thread in the next few hours

[Jinx]

durbster said:

Jinx said:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Society of Exploration Geophysicists
Society for Sedimentary Geology (formerly Society of Economic Paleontologists and Mineralogists)
Society of Petroleum Engineers
Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies
American Association of Petroleum Landmen (and women)
Independent Petroleum Association of America
Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists.
Houston Geological Society
New Orleans Geological Society
Society of Petrophysicists and and Well Log Analysts (a really fun bunch)
International Association of Geophysical Contractors
American Petroleum Institute
Offshore Oil Scouts Association
International Association of Oil & Gas Producers

HTH

Are you suggesting these organisations dispute the view that humans are causing warming?

I picked the first non-petrol one - Society of Exploration Geophysicists.

Their website says:

Society of Exploration Geophysicists said:

The earth is continuously undergoing climate change, but the current rate of change is expected to have an increasing impact on humanity. Human produced CO2 emissions are a significant factor. Many SEG members play a role in both understanding climate change and in managing CO2 emissions, including observing glacier and ice sheet volume, studying glacier hydrology, evaluating permafrost degradation, and evaluating and monitoring reservoirs for CO2 sequestration.

https://seg.org/About-SEG/Social-Contribution-of-Geophysics

Were you just hoping nobody would check?

CAGW cough

[gadgetmac]

Well I asked for Scientific Institutions that disputed MMGW.

fk knows what that list is supposed to represent but it's not what was asked for.

Anyway, got that list of previously listed organisations that were created "purely to advance the CAGW meme"?

Don't do a Diderot and waffle away the question. Names and some evidence please.

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

As reported in the Telegraph in May last year:

Britain’s leaky pipes are threatening to cast large areas of the country into drought, officials have warned. The Environment Agency last night challenged major water companies to improve their infrastructure as it said they were losing the equivalent to 20 million people's water usage every day.

In a major report, the agency said three billion litres of water a day are lost through leakage, which combined with population growth and the effects of climate change threaten to cause significant shortages in coming years.


Now, of course, the BBC article doesn’t mention the leaks, it’s all to do with the issue they’ve signed up to promote and proselytise: CAGW.

Re-read the BBC article you illiterate buffoon.

Second to last and penultimate paragraphs:

The Environment Agency has previously warned of water shortages by 2050 and the government has already suggested that people's water use be reduced, in its 25-year plan published last year.

Its report in May last year found enough water to meet the needs of 20 million people is lost through leakage every day.



Got that ONE scientific Institute yet?

Did you not hear the BBC Today package of this this morning? I suggest you do so on Listen Again or BBC sounds or whatever it's called this week. They did not mention leaks, and that's what I was referring to. It was all gloopal wombling bks as usual.

That the water companies allow the equivalent of water enough for 20 million people per day to leak out means that if they were to stop all leakages, the theoretical problem would not exist until at least [insert some date well into the future]. I say theoretical problem because of course this prediction is the bd stepchild of GCM models, and like all such predictions will fail.

Remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050?

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

As reported in the Telegraph in May last year:

Britain’s leaky pipes are threatening to cast large areas of the country into drought, officials have warned. The Environment Agency last night challenged major water companies to improve their infrastructure as it said they were losing the equivalent to 20 million people's water usage every day.

In a major report, the agency said three billion litres of water a day are lost through leakage, which combined with population growth and the effects of climate change threaten to cause significant shortages in coming years.


Now, of course, the BBC article doesn’t mention the leaks, it’s all to do with the issue they’ve signed up to promote and proselytise: CAGW.

Re-read the BBC article you illiterate buffoon.

Second to last and penultimate paragraphs:

The Environment Agency has previously warned of water shortages by 2050 and the government has already suggested that people's water use be reduced, in its 25-year plan published last year.

Its report in May last year found enough water to meet the needs of 20 million people is lost through leakage every day.



Got that ONE scientific Institute yet?

Did you not hear the BBC Today package of this this morning? I suggest you do so on Listen Again or BBC sounds or whatever it's called this week. They did not mention leaks, and that's what I was referring to. It was all gloopal wombling bks as usual.

That the water companies allow the equivalent of water enough for 20 million people per day to leak out means that if they were to stop all leakages, the theoretical problem would not exist until at least [insert some date well into the future]. I say theoretical problem because of course this prediction is the bd stepchild of GCM models, and like all such predictions will fail.

Remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050?

Bullst. You never once mentioned the BBC Today package, we were talking about Robinessex’s BBC rant at the report on their website.

Why do you post such piss-poor replies that are so obviously a load of old tosh to anyone who’s following this thread?

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

As reported in the Telegraph in May last year:

Britain’s leaky pipes are threatening to cast large areas of the country into drought, officials have warned. The Environment Agency last night challenged major water companies to improve their infrastructure as it said they were losing the equivalent to 20 million people's water usage every day.

In a major report, the agency said three billion litres of water a day are lost through leakage, which combined with population growth and the effects of climate change threaten to cause significant shortages in coming years.


Now, of course, the BBC article doesn’t mention the leaks, it’s all to do with the issue they’ve signed up to promote and proselytise: CAGW.

Re-read the BBC article you illiterate buffoon.

Second to last and penultimate paragraphs:

The Environment Agency has previously warned of water shortages by 2050 and the government has already suggested that people's water use be reduced, in its 25-year plan published last year.

Its report in May last year found enough water to meet the needs of 20 million people is lost through leakage every day.



Got that ONE scientific Institute yet?

Did you not hear the BBC Today package of this this morning? I suggest you do so on Listen Again or BBC sounds or whatever it's called this week. They did not mention leaks, and that's what I was referring to. It was all gloopal wombling bks as usual.

That the water companies allow the equivalent of water enough for 20 million people per day to leak out means that if they were to stop all leakages, the theoretical problem would not exist until at least [insert some date well into the future]. I say theoretical problem because of course this prediction is the bd stepchild of GCM models, and like all such predictions will fail.

Remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050?

Bullst. You never once mentioned the BBC Today package, we were talking about Robinessex’s BBC rant at the report on their website.

Why do you post such piss-poor replies that are so obviously a load of old tosh to anyone who’s following this thread?

Are you suffering from PMT today? Relax chap, none of these doomsday predictions will ever come to pass. It’s all just aimed at the sheep and the terminally gullible like you and an army of impressionable school kids with their placards.

Do remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050 and do the maths with regard to water leakage. Report back when you’ve done this. Until then, I’ll imagine you’re cowerin* in the corner of your cave trembling in fear waiting for the world to end,

[Kawasicki]

I’m enjoying the school kid activism at the moment, the GND, or green new deal. The necessary death of capitalism.

Should be interesting to see how this pans out. Will it fizzle out, or make a Big Bang?

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

As reported in the Telegraph in May last year:

Britain’s leaky pipes are threatening to cast large areas of the country into drought, officials have warned. The Environment Agency last night challenged major water companies to improve their infrastructure as it said they were losing the equivalent to 20 million people's water usage every day.

In a major report, the agency said three billion litres of water a day are lost through leakage, which combined with population growth and the effects of climate change threaten to cause significant shortages in coming years.


Now, of course, the BBC article doesn’t mention the leaks, it’s all to do with the issue they’ve signed up to promote and proselytise: CAGW.

Re-read the BBC article you illiterate buffoon.

Second to last and penultimate paragraphs:

The Environment Agency has previously warned of water shortages by 2050 and the government has already suggested that people's water use be reduced, in its 25-year plan published last year.

Its report in May last year found enough water to meet the needs of 20 million people is lost through leakage every day.



Got that ONE scientific Institute yet?

Did you not hear the BBC Today package of this this morning? I suggest you do so on Listen Again or BBC sounds or whatever it's called this week. They did not mention leaks, and that's what I was referring to. It was all gloopal wombling bks as usual.

That the water companies allow the equivalent of water enough for 20 million people per day to leak out means that if they were to stop all leakages, the theoretical problem would not exist until at least [insert some date well into the future]. I say theoretical problem because of course this prediction is the bd stepchild of GCM models, and like all such predictions will fail.

Remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050?

Bullst. You never once mentioned the BBC Today package, we were talking about Robinessex’s BBC rant at the report on their website.

Why do you post such piss-poor replies that are so obviously a load of old tosh to anyone who’s following this thread?

Are you suffering from PMT today? Relax chap, none of these doomsday predictions will ever come to pass. It’s all just aimed at the sheep and the terminally gullible like you and an army of impressionable school kids with their placards.

Do remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050 and do the maths with regard to water leakage. Report back when you’ve done this. Until then, I’ll imagine you’re cowerin* in the corner of your cave trembling in fear waiting for the world to end,

Again with the non-sequitur.

Who cares about the population? That wasn’t being discussed by anybody except for you in your weird mind

Got that Scientific Institute yet?

If you’re a PhD holder/Professor I’m a fking astronaut.

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

As reported in the Telegraph in May last year:

Britain’s leaky pipes are threatening to cast large areas of the country into drought, officials have warned. The Environment Agency last night challenged major water companies to improve their infrastructure as it said they were losing the equivalent to 20 million people's water usage every day.

In a major report, the agency said three billion litres of water a day are lost through leakage, which combined with population growth and the effects of climate change threaten to cause significant shortages in coming years.


Now, of course, the BBC article doesn’t mention the leaks, it’s all to do with the issue they’ve signed up to promote and proselytise: CAGW.

Re-read the BBC article you illiterate buffoon.

Second to last and penultimate paragraphs:

The Environment Agency has previously warned of water shortages by 2050 and the government has already suggested that people's water use be reduced, in its 25-year plan published last year.

Its report in May last year found enough water to meet the needs of 20 million people is lost through leakage every day.



Got that ONE scientific Institute yet?

Did you not hear the BBC Today package of this this morning? I suggest you do so on Listen Again or BBC sounds or whatever it's called this week. They did not mention leaks, and that's what I was referring to. It was all gloopal wombling bks as usual.

That the water companies allow the equivalent of water enough for 20 million people per day to leak out means that if they were to stop all leakages, the theoretical problem would not exist until at least [insert some date well into the future]. I say theoretical problem because of course this prediction is the bd stepchild of GCM models, and like all such predictions will fail.

Remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050?

Bullst. You never once mentioned the BBC Today package, we were talking about Robinessex’s BBC rant at the report on their website.

Why do you post such piss-poor replies that are so obviously a load of old tosh to anyone who’s following this thread?

Are you suffering from PMT today? Relax chap, none of these doomsday predictions will ever come to pass. It’s all just aimed at the sheep and the terminally gullible like you and an army of impressionable school kids with their placards.

Do remind us how much population is predicted to grow by 2050 and do the maths with regard to water leakage. Report back when you’ve done this. Until then, I’ll imagine you’re cowerin* in the corner of your cave trembling in fear waiting for the world to end,

Again with the non-sequitur.

Who cares about the population? That wasn’t being discussed by anybody except for you in your weird mind

Got that Scientific Institute yet?

If you’re a PhD holder/Professor I’m a fking astronaut.

Clearly you were unable to read and compute that which you were citing (yet again). It’s getting all a bit predictable with your considerable lacunae, unlike the climate predictions from failed GCM models, natch.

If you had been able to process such basic information (tough ask obviously), you would have been able to figure out for yourself (unlikely without the help of Skeptical Science and their how to deal with tight wearing contrarians) that the water lost each day through leakage adds up to vastly more than the predicted (and recently downardly revised) population growth estimates. Ergo, the crisis is nothing of the sort but rather yet another unfounded scare story that will never come to pass.

BBC foregrounds Cwimate chwange rather than water company failure. PH - prirorities matter.

[micky g]

This link has the Met Office data for UK rainfall from 1910 to 2010: -

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jun...

To make life easy the table will paste directly into Excel.

I know this is the politics thread, but would someone care to tell me where the trend is that may support the concept that climate change is in anyway responsible for future UK water shortages?

[deeps]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

There's none so gullible as the inherently gullible.

I find it extraordinary that our thread's Alarmists live on the same planet as the rest of us, a planet thriving with regard to optimum climate to sustain life, yet all they choose to believe is alarm, doom and gloom.

You can guarantee they're going to fall for each and every 'climate piece' hook, line and sinker every time, just look at gadgets response above of "Absolute Rubbish again!". He instantly dismisses reality in favour of naive appeals to authority.

Please just spend 30 seconds to re-read what gadget typed. I find it a sad sign of the depth of indoctrination and true belief, that his perceived authority must not be questioned.

[durbster]

Jinx said:

durbster said:

Jinx said:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Society of Exploration Geophysicists
Society for Sedimentary Geology (formerly Society of Economic Paleontologists and Mineralogists)
Society of Petroleum Engineers
Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies
American Association of Petroleum Landmen (and women)
Independent Petroleum Association of America
Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists.
Houston Geological Society
New Orleans Geological Society
Society of Petrophysicists and and Well Log Analysts (a really fun bunch)
International Association of Geophysical Contractors
American Petroleum Institute
Offshore Oil Scouts Association
International Association of Oil & Gas Producers

HTH

Are you suggesting these organisations dispute the view that humans are causing warming?

I picked the first non-petrol one - Society of Exploration Geophysicists.

Their website says:

Society of Exploration Geophysicists said:

The earth is continuously undergoing climate change, but the current rate of change is expected to have an increasing impact on humanity. Human produced CO2 emissions are a significant factor. Many SEG members play a role in both understanding climate change and in managing CO2 emissions, including observing glacier and ice sheet volume, studying glacier hydrology, evaluating permafrost degradation, and evaluating and monitoring reservoirs for CO2 sequestration.

https://seg.org/About-SEG/Social-Contribution-of-Geophysics

Were you just hoping nobody would check?

CAGW cough

In other words, it's a list of yet more science organisations that accept AGW is real and not at all what you presented it as.