Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[Ridgemont]

WhatHappenedThere said:

No PH 'experts' piping up to say they are disagreeing with the Prog on the BBC1 right now ?
To say they know better than Sir David ?

He’s not Moses or Albus Dumbledore. Not a scientist. He’s a television presenter and producer.
Assuming that Attenborough is some font of expertise is different from being a font of wisdom.
He is wise no doubt; he has seen places most people will never see. That does not make him god almighty and unimpeachable. In fact given his statements around human populations I would question the wise bit.

[Northbloke]

El stovey said:

You’ve said that loads of scientists were being sacked for their views on AGW but then when asked how many, you said you can’t answer because it’s a secret and they’ve been hushed up.

If you have followed this area of "science" there have been many cases over the years. Have you not seen this high profile case in the news this week?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/1...

[mike9009]

Ridgemont said:

WhatHappenedThere said:

No PH 'experts' piping up to say they are disagreeing with the Prog on the BBC1 right now ?
To say they know better than Sir David ?

He’s not Moses or Albus Dumbledore. Not a scientist. He’s a television presenter and producer.
Assuming that Attenborough is some font of expertise is different from being a font of wisdom.
He is wise no doubt; he has seen places most people will never see. That does not make him god almighty and unimpeachable. In fact given his statements around human populations I would question the wise bit.

I suppose a degree in Natural Sciences from Cambridge Uni only qualified him as a TV presenter, not a scientist?

[Jag_NE]

Emma Thompson flew in from LA to join the climate change protest...probably in biz too. Ha!

[chrispmartha]

Ridgemont said:

WhatHappenedThere said:

No PH 'experts' piping up to say they are disagreeing with the Prog on the BBC1 right now ?
To say they know better than Sir David ?

He’s not Moses or Albus Dumbledore. Not a scientist. He’s a television presenter and producer.
Assuming that Attenborough is some font of expertise is different from being a font of wisdom.
He is wise no doubt; he has seen places most people will never see. That does not make him god almighty and unimpeachable. In fact given his statements around human populations I would question the wise bit.

David Attenborough’s awards

1972: Royal Geographical Society's Cherry Kearton Medal and Award[104]
1974: Appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) for services to nature conservation in the 1974 Birthday Honours[105]
1980: BAFTA Fellowship
1981: Kalinga Prize for the Popularization of Science from UNESCO[106]
1983: Elected a Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS) under Statute 12[107]
1985: Knight Bachelor in the 1985 Birthday Honours[108]
1991: Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO) for producing Queen Elizabeth II's Christmas broadcast for a number of years from 1986 in the 1991 Birthday Honours[109]
1991: Foreign Honorary Member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences[110]
1996: Kew International Medal[1]
1996: Companion of Honour (CH) for services to nature broadcasting in the 1996 New Year Honours[111]
1997: Honorary Degree awarded by Ghent University[112]
1998: International Cosmos Prize[113]
2000: RSPB Medal[114]
2003: Michael Faraday Prize awarded by the Royal Society
2004: Descartes Prize for Outstanding Science Communication Actions
2004: Caird Medal of the National Maritime Museum
2004: José Vasconcelos World Award of Education awarded by the World Cultural Council
2005: Order of Merit (OM)[115]
2005: Nierenberg Prize for Science in the Public Interest
2006: National Television Awards Special Recognition Award
2006: Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management[116] – Institute Medal in recognition of his outstanding contribution to the public perception and understanding of ecology
2006: The Culture Show British Icon Award
2007: British Naturalists' Association Peter Scott Memorial Award
2007: Fellowship of Society of Antiquaries
2008 The Royal Photographic Society awarded Attenborough its Progress medal and Honorary Fellowship in recognition of any invention, research, publication or other contribution which has resulted in an important advance in the scientific or technological development of photography or imaging in the widest sense.
2009: Prince of Asturias Award[117]
2010: Fonseca Prize
2010: Queensland Museum Medal[118]
2011: Society for the History of Natural History Founders' Medal
2011 Association for International Broadcasting AIB International TV Personality of the year
2012: IUCN Phillips Memorial Medal for outstanding service in international conservation[119]
2017: Britain-Australia Society Award[120] for outstanding contribution to strengthening British/Australian bilateral understanding and relations
2017: Honorary Member of the Moscow Society of Naturalists[121]
2017: Gold Medal of the Royal Canadian Geographical Society[122]

What a total know nowt he is eh, much better listening to the PH tin foil hatters.

[anonymous-user]

Yeah but they’re all corrupt organisations trying to redistribute wealth, any actual scientist linked to them disagrees with them or is lying for funding or avoiding getting sacked or has been sacked but we can’t prove it because of NDAs.

[chrispmartha]

El stovey said:

Yeah but they’re all corrupt organisations trying to redistribute wealth, any actual scientist linked to them disagrees with them or is lying for funding or avoiding getting sacked or has been sacked but we can’t prove it because of NDAs.

Would be interesting to see what qualifications and awards those that say DA is just a TV presenter have gained?

[WhatHappenedThere]

chrispmartha said:

Ridgemont said:

WhatHappenedThere said:

No PH 'experts' piping up to say they are disagreeing with the Prog on the BBC1 right now ?
To say they know better than Sir David ?

He’s not Moses or Albus Dumbledore. Not a scientist. He’s a television presenter and producer.
Assuming that Attenborough is some font of expertise is different from being a font of wisdom.
He is wise no doubt; he has seen places most people will never see. That does not make him god almighty and unimpeachable. In fact given his statements around human populations I would question the wise bit.

David Attenborough’s awards

1972: Royal Geographical Society's Cherry Kearton Medal and Award[104]
1974: Appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) for services to nature conservation in the 1974 Birthday Honours[105]
1980: BAFTA Fellowship
1981: Kalinga Prize for the Popularization of Science from UNESCO[106]
1983: Elected a Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS) under Statute 12[107]
1985: Knight Bachelor in the 1985 Birthday Honours[108]
1991: Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO) for producing Queen Elizabeth II's Christmas broadcast for a number of years from 1986 in the 1991 Birthday Honours[109]
1991: Foreign Honorary Member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences[110]
1996: Kew International Medal[1]
1996: Companion of Honour (CH) for services to nature broadcasting in the 1996 New Year Honours[111]
1997: Honorary Degree awarded by Ghent University[112]
1998: International Cosmos Prize[113]
2000: RSPB Medal[114]
2003: Michael Faraday Prize awarded by the Royal Society
2004: Descartes Prize for Outstanding Science Communication Actions
2004: Caird Medal of the National Maritime Museum
2004: José Vasconcelos World Award of Education awarded by the World Cultural Council
2005: Order of Merit (OM)[115]
2005: Nierenberg Prize for Science in the Public Interest
2006: National Television Awards Special Recognition Award
2006: Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management[116] – Institute Medal in recognition of his outstanding contribution to the public perception and understanding of ecology
2006: The Culture Show British Icon Award
2007: British Naturalists' Association Peter Scott Memorial Award
2007: Fellowship of Society of Antiquaries
2008 The Royal Photographic Society awarded Attenborough its Progress medal and Honorary Fellowship in recognition of any invention, research, publication or other contribution which has resulted in an important advance in the scientific or technological development of photography or imaging in the widest sense.
2009: Prince of Asturias Award[117]
2010: Fonseca Prize
2010: Queensland Museum Medal[118]
2011: Society for the History of Natural History Founders' Medal
2011 Association for International Broadcasting AIB International TV Personality of the year
2012: IUCN Phillips Memorial Medal for outstanding service in international conservation[119]
2017: Britain-Australia Society Award[120] for outstanding contribution to strengthening British/Australian bilateral understanding and relations
2017: Honorary Member of the Moscow Society of Naturalists[121]
2017: Gold Medal of the Royal Canadian Geographical Society[122]

What a total know nowt he is eh, much better listening to the PH tin foil hatters.

Hmmm, and probably done more than sat grumbling at the internet from an armchair too to understand and see the world and the effects of climate change?

wc98 said:

if that is a reference to my postabove, no i am not an expert on coral, but i am aware of the history of its existence on the planet and the temperature swings it has endured throughout that history.

as for attenborough he is a script reader on the program and the program is entertainment. i haven't watched it and won't. it will be full of the same if's,but's and maybe's people have heard many times over.as i don't see many outside of the eco loon brigade giving a flying fk i don't see them giving up their current lifestyles because some old bloke on the telly thinks they should. i wonder what his carbon footprint over his lifetime is ? many multiples of most i would imagine,just another hypocrite in a long list of them.

That is the spirit - open mind and learning from others - nailed !

[Vanden Saab]

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

So Stovey, where do you stand on this Extinction Rebellion protest?

They’re a load of tts.

Unbelievable, you have spent hours on here telling us that AGW is real and climateageddon is just around the corner and now you think you can distance yourself from the results of all your efforts? This is what we warned you about. Why are you not supporting your fellow climate change believers? No doubt many of those protesting are the very climate scientists you have been telling us to believe for so long.
In fact from extinction rebellions first letter signed by 100 of the very academics you put so much store in...

XR said:

On 26 October 2018, approximately one hundred academics signed a call to action about the ecological crisis The science is clear, the facts are incontrovertible, and it is unconscionable to us that our children and grandchildren should have to bear the terrifying brunt of an unprecedented disaster of our own making.

The science is clear... where have I heard that before. These are your people, the same people you have been supporting on here. You should be at Heathrow standing hand in hand with them...

[Jinx]

chrispmartha said:

David Attenborough’s awards

1972: Royal Geographical Society's Cherry Kearton Medal and Award[104]
1974: Appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) for services to nature conservation in the 1974 Birthday Honours[105]
1980: BAFTA Fellowship
1981: Kalinga Prize for the Popularization of Science from UNESCO[106]
1983: Elected a Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS) under Statute 12[107]
1985: Knight Bachelor in the 1985 Birthday Honours[108]
1991: Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO) for producing Queen Elizabeth II's Christmas broadcast for a number of years from 1986 in the 1991 Birthday Honours[109]
1991: Foreign Honorary Member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences[110]
1996: Kew International Medal[1]
1996: Companion of Honour (CH) for services to nature broadcasting in the 1996 New Year Honours[111]
1997: Honorary Degree awarded by Ghent University[112]
1998: International Cosmos Prize[113]
2000: RSPB Medal[114]
2003: Michael Faraday Prize awarded by the Royal Society
2004: Descartes Prize for Outstanding Science Communication Actions
2004: Caird Medal of the National Maritime Museum
2004: José Vasconcelos World Award of Education awarded by the World Cultural Council
2005: Order of Merit (OM)[115]
2005: Nierenberg Prize for Science in the Public Interest
2006: National Television Awards Special Recognition Award
2006: Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management[116] – Institute Medal in recognition of his outstanding contribution to the public perception and understanding of ecology
2006: The Culture Show British Icon Award
2007: British Naturalists' Association Peter Scott Memorial Award
2007: Fellowship of Society of Antiquaries
2008 The Royal Photographic Society awarded Attenborough its Progress medal and Honorary Fellowship in recognition of any invention, research, publication or other contribution which has resulted in an important advance in the scientific or technological development of photography or imaging in the widest sense.
2009: Prince of Asturias Award[117]
2010: Fonseca Prize
2010: Queensland Museum Medal[118]
2011: Society for the History of Natural History Founders' Medal
2011 Association for International Broadcasting AIB International TV Personality of the year
2012: IUCN Phillips Memorial Medal for outstanding service in international conservation[119]
2017: Britain-Australia Society Award[120] for outstanding contribution to strengthening British/Australian bilateral understanding and relations
2017: Honorary Member of the Moscow Society of Naturalists[121]
2017: Gold Medal of the Royal Canadian Geographical Society[122]

What a total know nowt he is eh, much better listening to the PH tin foil hatters.

He is a Malthusian and this belief has been shown to be incorrect in the natural world many times over.

[wc98]

chrispmartha said:

Would be interesting to see what qualifications and awards those that say DA is just a TV presenter have gained?

how about attenborough's carbon footprint vs mine or yours ? if you are happy to support hypocrisy bash on, not for me and i was a huge fan of the bloke as a youngster. i suppose finding out how many scenes supposedly filmed in the "wild" were staged coloured my views slightly.

[Tootles the Taxi]

Jinx said:

He is a Malthusian and this belief has been shown to be incorrect in the natural world many times over.

These are mostly honourary awards or things to do with his long and distinguished work in the media. He's no more qualified to lecture us on how to live our lives than Kim Kardashian.

When he publishes his peer-reviewed thesis on AGW, then I'll respect him as a scientist, rather than an extremely well connected media luvvie.

Oh and fking Emma Thompson, what the fking fk.

[wc98]

WhatHappenedThere said:

That is the spirit - open mind and learning from others - nailed !

i would be willing to bet i have spent more time reading on the subject than most. no comment on the scientist that either deliberately lied or spoke about something she doesn't have even the most basic of knowledge on regarding coral ? witter away with appeals to authority and belief all you like ,but i know if someone with only basic knowledge of a field i have expertise in was able to point out errors in something i promoted within that field i would be reappraising what i thought i knew.

usually people banging on about human caused climate change can't even explain the basic mechanism, can you ?

[WhatHappenedThere]

Well if you won’t watch the programme, why would you be remotely interested in what I have to say ??

[wc98]

WhatHappenedThere said:

Well if you won’t watch the programme, why would you be remotely interested in what I have to say ??

what would be the point ? it is a compendium of every bit of doom and gloom i have read over the last twenty years.pick something from the program you found particularly compelling and ask me about it , i will be more than surprised if i haven't heard it before and will go and watch the program as a result.

[robinessex]

David Attenborough climate change TV show a 'call to arms'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4798...

Sir David Attenborough's new BBC documentary on climate change has been praised by TV critics.
Climate Change - The Facts, shown on BBC One on Thursday, was a "rousing call to arms", said the Guardian.
In a four-star review, the Times said the veteran presenter "took a sterner tone... as though his patience was nearly spent".
Sir David, 92, has called global warming "our greatest threat in thousands of years".
In its review, The Arts Desk said: "Devastating footage of last year's climactic upheavals makes surreal viewing.
"While Earth has survived radical climactic changes and regenerated following mass extinctions, it's not the destruction of Earth that we are facing, it's the destruction of our familiar, natural world and our uniquely rich human culture.
"In the 20 years since I first started talking about the impact of climate change on our world, conditions have changed far faster than I ever imagined," Sir David said in the film.
Image copyright AFP
Image caption Climate change protesters have closed off central London since Monday
"It may sound frightening, but the scientific evidence is that if we have not taken dramatic action within the next decade, we could face irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies.".........continues

Can he prove that last sentence?

[WhatHappenedThere]

Proving the future is a tricky thing to do wouldn’t you say ?
It’s almost as if you are excusing the entire content because he can’t prove the future

[WhatHappenedThere]

wc98 said:

WhatHappenedThere said:

Well if you won’t watch the programme, why would you be remotely interested in what I have to say ??

what would be the point ? it is a compendium of every bit of doom and gloom i have read over the last twenty years.pick something from the program you found particularly compelling and ask me about it , i will be more than surprised if i haven't heard it before and will go and watch the program as a result.

Pick something I found compelling for you ?

Firstly - if I thought you actually meant you knobs ‘offer’......

Secondly - jog on, if you think know best, you’ll retort whether truthfully or not with “I knew / don’t believe”

[Coolbanana]

chrispmartha said:

David Attenborough’s awards

.... .

What a total know nowt he is eh, much better listening to the PH tin foil hatters.

I wouldn't worry about the PH Tin Foilists, they will be dragged wailing and whinging into future legislation. 'Debating' with them is like trying to reason with those kids at school who prefer to sit at the back lighting each others farts than allow themselves to be educated; the same ones who think they actually become 'wiser' academically simply by living longer, without a need for actual education.

Wind them up, but debate? Nah, they can't be helped.

[wc98]

WhatHappenedThere said:

Pick something I found compelling for you ?

Firstly - if I thought you actually meant you knobs ‘offer’......

Secondly - jog on, if you think know best, you’ll retort whether truthfully or not with “I knew / don’t believe”

hmmm, i tend to mean what i say, would have had no problem watching it had you done so. to my knowledge there hasn't been a single weather event attributable to the anthropogenic component of co2 in the atmosphere.none of the metrics for extreme weather show no significant trend either, so how he is able to attribute anything that happened weather wise last year to man made climate change i have no idea. i understand michael mann was involved. i would rather not listen to a proven fraud on a matter of such importance. maybe someone should have asked him if he was so sure about the science why did he have to fraudulently create the hockey stick graph ?

i don't think i know best. the basic science is sound. the problem is scientists do not know how the planet will respond to the extra co2 in the atmosphere. energy in/out is not resolved ,the effect of clouds is yet to be understood and there is potential for there to be just as many unknowns as current knowns as things like solar science progress.

the only thing in overabundance in climate science is hubris in the small cabal that control the narrative at the moment. if you read a few papers then look at the history of the authors they either taught or were taught by their co authors in many cases and in some papers that are regarded to be of major importance the peer review process was quite obviously non existent. one paper rushed out in time for a recent ipcc boondoggle is a good example, apparently accepted before it saw peer review.