Take-up of MMR vaccine falls for fourth year in a row.
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Jasandjules said:
Some Gump said:
I'm sure you're trolling, but if you are not, please don't have children.
You appear to lack the intellectual capacity to remember the thread referred to, or perhaps you did not see it at all. Perhaps you ought to do so before seeking to comment further.When My 10 Year old was born we paid to have them seperately, 2 years later my 8 Year old had the MMR neither of them suffered any unpleasent side effects
Like it or not s*it sticks and even if there is no unpleasent side effects to the MMR vaccine for some Parents it has created a doubt.
it seems there is an easy solution if you have the MMR it is on the NHS if you want them seperately then you pay £150 but you get £50 refunded when you have gone back for the 3rd shot - so avoiding parents only having the one injection and not going back for the others.
£100 x Worried Parent = x% More Nurses
Like it or not s*it sticks and even if there is no unpleasent side effects to the MMR vaccine for some Parents it has created a doubt.
it seems there is an easy solution if you have the MMR it is on the NHS if you want them seperately then you pay £150 but you get £50 refunded when you have gone back for the 3rd shot - so avoiding parents only having the one injection and not going back for the others.
£100 x Worried Parent = x% More Nurses
jjlynn27 said:
Jasandjules said:
Some Gump said:
I'm sure you're trolling, but if you are not, please don't have children.
You appear to lack the intellectual capacity to remember the thread referred to, or perhaps you did not see it at all. Perhaps you ought to do so before seeking to comment further.
Idiot parents abound. It'll all be someone else's fault when their kids are ill/die.
It doesn't surprise me when you see the reactions children get after the first dose, and the NHS say its not related.
For example my little one, a week/10 days after the MMR developed full measles symptoms. I say its expected due to the anti-virus, and many many other children have the same reaction.
NHS says it's impossible as its more than a couple days after the injection, so cant be a reaction. With the NHS giving out such rubbish information, Parents go into echo chamber facebook groups and become more and more militant/hippy.
For example my little one, a week/10 days after the MMR developed full measles symptoms. I say its expected due to the anti-virus, and many many other children have the same reaction.
NHS says it's impossible as its more than a couple days after the injection, so cant be a reaction. With the NHS giving out such rubbish information, Parents go into echo chamber facebook groups and become more and more militant/hippy.
Lazadude said:
It doesn't surprise me when you see the reactions children get after the first dose, and the NHS say its not related.
For example my little one, a week/10 days after the MMR developed full measles symptoms. I say its expected due to the anti-virus, and many many other children have the same reaction.
NHS says it's impossible as its more than a couple days after the injection, so cant be a reaction. With the NHS giving out such rubbish information, Parents go into echo chamber facebook groups and become more and more militant/hippy.
That's not why people are refusing it for their kids, it's because they think it'll cause autism. For example my little one, a week/10 days after the MMR developed full measles symptoms. I say its expected due to the anti-virus, and many many other children have the same reaction.
NHS says it's impossible as its more than a couple days after the injection, so cant be a reaction. With the NHS giving out such rubbish information, Parents go into echo chamber facebook groups and become more and more militant/hippy.
durbster said:
Jasandjules said:
So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did
Here's a radical idea: both solutions are effective.Sewers and clean water had the greatest impact, yes, because they were starting from such a high number. If the vaccine had been invented earlier then it is likely that is what would have had the greater impact. But the sewers and clean water didn't eradicate the disease, they just were able to give people the ability to live in much more sanitary conditions than they had before. Not really too hard to believe, is it? No longer were people walking through human faeces thrown into the street, drinking water which fed from the same places, etc etc.
One outbreak of cholera (or typhoid or similar) was stopped in London when someone took the handle off the pump where all the dirty water was being drawn from (Source: That show that Mark Williams did on Discovery 10-15 years ago)
but vaccines have then come along and got rid of the disease in nearly all other cases where it was still occurring.
andy_s said:
Kawasicki said:
Moonhawk said:
Jasandjules said:
So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did
So why are the number of cases of these diseases rising as vaccine uptake drops. We live in possible the most sanitary time ever with clean running water to every home, sewers, cleaning products etc.Halb said:
andy_s said:
Kawasicki said:
Moonhawk said:
Jasandjules said:
So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did
So why are the number of cases of these diseases rising as vaccine uptake drops. We live in possible the most sanitary time ever with clean running water to every home, sewers, cleaning products etc.ScotHill said:
Halb said:
andy_s said:
Kawasicki said:
Moonhawk said:
Jasandjules said:
So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did
So why are the number of cases of these diseases rising as vaccine uptake drops. We live in possible the most sanitary time ever with clean running water to every home, sewers, cleaning products etc.Oakey said:
That's not why people are refusing it for their kids, it's because they think it'll cause autism.
Potential autism or potential serious illness leading to potential brain damage or death, I know which risk I've took with my own 3 children. Aren't these anti-vaccine groups the same group of people that believe the earth is flat? zedx19 said:
Oakey said:
That's not why people are refusing it for their kids, it's because they think it'll cause autism.
Potential autism or potential serious illness leading to potential brain damage or death, I know which risk I've took with my own 3 children. Aren't these anti-vaccine groups the same group of people that believe the earth is flat? Oakey said:
That's not why people are refusing it for their kids, it's because they think it'll cause autism.
My point, was the NHS say the vaccine definitely does not cause a reaction and its got to be environmental even though it very obviously does. This makes the people say "what else are they saying it doesn't do?", which then mixed with faceache, it spirals.
Lazadude said:
Oakey said:
That's not why people are refusing it for their kids, it's because they think it'll cause autism.
My point, was the NHS say the vaccine definitely does not cause a reaction and its got to be environmental even though it very obviously does. This makes the people say "what else are they saying it doesn't do?", which then mixed with faceache, it spirals.
Edit: yep - https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/mmr-sid...
durbster said:
Hayek said:
They should just offer the seperate vaccines and dump the combined MMR. It doesn't matter that it's perfectly fine, there's a cloud of doubt that will forever hang over it.
That would be considered a victory by the ignorant. That sort of idiocy should never be rewarded.Maybe they should stop kids who haven't been vaccinated (without a valid reason) attending school.
Lots of info states one side effect is measles? (a softer version though)
If you read what the effects of measles are why would you ever take the risk, we planned to see family in Romania with our 6 month old but due to the outbreak we said we'd call it off until he's had his injections, according to wiki/other sources..
90% infection rate when living in a shared space
10% fatality rates in children under 1
30% serious complications (eh blindness/hearing loss etc)
Disease usually isn't "noticeable" until 6 days after becoming infectious so a lot of infect or ill people will be spreading for several days before developing symptoms themselves.
Basically why would you sit on a plane with 200 strangers any of whom could have it and if they do there's a very high rate of infection which carries serious consequences, especially as there's no treatment, they can aim to treat/reduce the side effects if spotted but otherwise your on your own!
Even if it did cause Autism in a few cases (which it doesn't) those rates are still far below the rates of infection and serious consequences.
If you read what the effects of measles are why would you ever take the risk, we planned to see family in Romania with our 6 month old but due to the outbreak we said we'd call it off until he's had his injections, according to wiki/other sources..
90% infection rate when living in a shared space
10% fatality rates in children under 1
30% serious complications (eh blindness/hearing loss etc)
Disease usually isn't "noticeable" until 6 days after becoming infectious so a lot of infect or ill people will be spreading for several days before developing symptoms themselves.
Basically why would you sit on a plane with 200 strangers any of whom could have it and if they do there's a very high rate of infection which carries serious consequences, especially as there's no treatment, they can aim to treat/reduce the side effects if spotted but otherwise your on your own!
Even if it did cause Autism in a few cases (which it doesn't) those rates are still far below the rates of infection and serious consequences.
Hayek said:
durbster said:
Hayek said:
They should just offer the seperate vaccines and dump the combined MMR. It doesn't matter that it's perfectly fine, there's a cloud of doubt that will forever hang over it.
That would be considered a victory by the ignorant. That sort of idiocy should never be rewarded.Maybe they should stop kids who haven't been vaccinated (without a valid reason) attending school.
If parents don't want to inject their children then they should have at least a good reason as that's to the detriment of everyone.
The 'good reason' seems to be just the words of a fraudster 20 years ago that continue to echo to this day.
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