The people's vote

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anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Ghibli said:
Ghibli said:
Bullett said:
Having spent the last 2 year being told that Brexiters are all stupid racist idiots who don't understand is not really going to change anyone's mind.
You never know, some people might look and see what Brexit actually is is now instead of thinking that people are calling them stupid racists.
Did someone mention stupid racist.

scratchchin
One last time for Dromond to see if he can work out who started mentioning stupid racists.

Keep twisting, wink

Just for the record I'm not calling anyone a stupid racist, I'm asking why people say they are being accused of being racist and where they are accused.

Russian troll bots post is not something I have been replying to no matter how much Dromond would like it to be.


eccles

13,721 posts

221 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Smollet said:
toon10 said:
As a remainer myself, I've already posted (on page 2) to say that we shouldn't have a peoples vote. The original vote was to leave regardless of whether people understood what that meant or not and regardless of whether the end result will see the UK better or worse off. I for one accept that in democracy, you don't always get what you want but it's a fair system. I think having any new vote now would do more damage.

Likewise, I'd also say that those who voted to leave will have to accept whatever leaving the EU looks like (deal, no deal, good deal, bad deal) as they voted to let our politicians negotiate with the EU how this would all work. If we end up with a good deal and the UK becomes better off in the future after Brexit then great, it will have been a great success. If not then you can't say that this isn't the Brexit you voted for. you voted for whatever Brexit our government could get us, good or bad.
Good post. Like you I voted to remain but it was very close and came down to who was top of the ballot paper tbh such was my indecision. Democracy has to be maintained and there cannot be another vote/ referendum on it. Those calling for another vote are undemocratic just like the EU. I wish I’d voted Leave now.
The one thing that strikes me about this whole situation is how poorly we were informed in the run up to the referendum.

It had been on the cards for a while, and yet no one (on either side) thought to release succinct information with the possible outcomes or things we may gain or loose by staying or leaving. All we had was scaremongering and wildly inaccurate information from the media and politicians alike.

With the benefit of hindsight, given the current situation we are now in and how serious the potential consequences for the country are, it's amazing that such an important decision was made with so little factual information.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Smollet said:
Democracy has to be maintained and there cannot be another vote/ referendum on it.
Superb attitude which should be more common.

Smollet said:
Those calling for another vote are undemocratic just like the EU. I wish I’d voted Leave now.
I wonder how many feel the same...................



Edited by Rovinghawk on Tuesday 25th September 19:00

Vanden Saab

13,896 posts

73 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
Smollet said:
Democracy has to be maintained and there cannot be another vote/ referendum on it.
Superb attitude whuich should be more common.

Smollet said:
Those calling for another vote are undemocratic just like the EU. I wish I’d voted Leave now.
I wonder how many feel the same...................
Around 10 on here in the last few days so multiply that around the country.......

gothatway

5,783 posts

169 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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eccles said:
The one thing that strikes me about this whole situation is how poorly we were informed in the run up to the referendum.

It had been on the cards for a while, and yet no one (on either side) thought to release succinct information with the possible outcomes or things we may gain or loose by staying or leaving. All we had was scaremongering and wildly inaccurate information from the media and politicians alike.

With the benefit of hindsight, given the current situation we are now in and how serious the potential consequences for the country are, it's amazing that such an important decision was made with so little factual information.
Indeed. I don't remember anyone mentioning the potential for the NI/Ireland border to be such a stumbling block.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Vanden Saab said:
Rovinghawk said:
Smollet said:
Democracy has to be maintained and there cannot be another vote/ referendum on it.
Superb attitude whuich should be more common.

Smollet said:
Those calling for another vote are undemocratic just like the EU. I wish I’d voted Leave now.
I wonder how many feel the same...................
Around 10 on here in the last few days so multiply that around the country.......
How many more when the EU let on as to what changing our minds on leaving will mean to our membership of the EU, the status/terms of our membership as was prior to the referendum certainly won't be an option.

Once that's revealed, I'd wager a vote to leave in any 2nd referendum won't be what those imagining/wishing it will be, it will be Leave and by a much bigger majority.

selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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catso said:
selym said:
oh to revisit 'blue passports.
I still say the old passports were black, not sure if that makes me colour blind or racist?

Passports of colour anyone... scratchchin
You know, you might be right! Those big gawdy passport holders were definitely black.

selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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andy_s said:
selym said:
- oh to revisit 'blue passports,.
'Fabrique en France' smile
Naturellement, Mon ami!

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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It's probably more likely that NI will have a vote for special status.




CAPP0

19,533 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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The Surveyor said:
I see the outcome being similar to a high-flyer leaving one job to work for another company. We've already handed in our resignation, told the old company to shove its bureaucracy where the sun don't shine and we're off on adventures new. If we change direction and ask for our old position back on the basis we no longer have an alternative option, we'll be making the EU tea, filing and photocopying for decades.
Absolutely this. They're forcing us over a barrel currently as it is, imagine the fun they'd have if we voluntarily pulled our pants down and spread our legs.

andy_s

19,397 posts

258 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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CAPP0 said:
The Surveyor said:
I see the outcome being similar to a high-flyer leaving one job to work for another company. We've already handed in our resignation, told the old company to shove its bureaucracy where the sun don't shine and we're off on adventures new. If we change direction and ask for our old position back on the basis we no longer have an alternative option, we'll be making the EU tea, filing and photocopying for decades.
Absolutely this. They're forcing us over a barrel currently as it is, imagine the fun they'd have if we voluntarily pulled our pants down and spread our legs.
Of course they are; they're acting in (eventually) their own best interest and to discourage others, that doesn't make them bad - it was always going to be like this. We'd be doing the same in their shoes. This is entirely predictable and entirely normal. Characterising them as the panto villain isn't strictly accurate i think.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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I thought we had already voted to get off the sinking E.U ship?

mx5nut

5,404 posts

81 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Ahbefive said:
I thought we had already voted to get off the sinking E.U ship?
And if we could only find two people who voted for the same thing, we could get on with it.

But we can't, so we might need to ask the people to clarify their position.

so called

9,074 posts

208 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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selym said:
so called said:
On the first day, I voted to remain.
On the second day, I sulked for the whole day.
On the third day, I accepted and considered my new horizon.
On the fourth day, I listened to the childishness.
On the fifth day, I shook my head.
On the sixth day, I understood that hope was my only hope.
On the seventh day,.......................................well, one way or another, st happens.

Forgot to say that on the afternoon of the sixth day, I resorted to dreaming of a Eurolotto win.
Was that Craig David?
Actually no.
I started of wanting to put in to words how I accepted Brexit within a few days of voting to remain. It was when I thought about ‘a new horizon’, that I thought, Oh well let’s see what the future holds.
Since then, IMHO, it’s been a down hill feeling of piss poor political leadership and self indulgent greed and ambition.
Country first is way down the list of priorities for a lot of them.

Integroo

11,574 posts

84 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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eccles said:
The one thing that strikes me about this whole situation is how poorly we were informed in the run up to the referendum.

It had been on the cards for a while, and yet no one (on either side) thought to release succinct information with the possible outcomes or things we may gain or loose by staying or leaving. All we had was scaremongering and wildly inaccurate information from the media and politicians alike.

With the benefit of hindsight, given the current situation we are now in and how serious the potential consequences for the country are, it's amazing that such an important decision was made with so little factual information.
This is why referendums on complex issues are a bad idea. There is a reason we have a representative democracy. Parliament would never have voted for Brexit.

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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abzmike said:
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have a full range of tolerances. It’s almost as if there must be something wrong with a stance that doesn’t agree with Brexit.
I don't mind anyone disagreeing with Brexit, it's the intolerance of a referendum result that
went against a percentage of those that voted that I find distasteful.

It's almost as there must be something wrong with a stance that expects people to
abide by a fairly decided vote.

Tell me you wouldn't have wanted the same if Remain had won.

Integroo

11,574 posts

84 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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gooner1 said:
I don't mind anyone disagreeing with Brexit, it's the intolerance of a referendum result that
went against a percentage of those that voted that I find distasteful.

It's almost as there must be something wrong with a stance that expects people to
abide by a fairly decided vote.

Tell me you wouldn't have wanted the same if Remain had won.
Plenty in Scotland think we should have a second independence referendum; many of whom also don't think we should have a second Brexit referendum. The SNP should call it a day!

gothatway

5,783 posts

169 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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mx5nut said:
And if we could only find two people who voted for the same thing, we could get on with it.

But we can't, so we might need to ask the people to clarify their position.
You really haven't looked very hard, have you ?

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Ghibli said:
dromond said:
Ghibli said:
You never know, some people might look and see what Brexit actually is is now instead of thinking that people are calling them stupid racists.
You have just manipulated those words to make it appear that being called 'stupid racists' is only a thought in peoples heads, whereas
the actual truth is that people have been called stupid racists because they voted leave. Just another example of the poor rhetoric that is so
apparent in your posts, you might want to take a look at Russian Troll Bot's post to see how logical, informed, and intelligent debate is
constructed, it might even help you with the grammar mistakes you make like the one above, seeing that you are mentioning stupidity.

As expected RTB's post has been ignored by the normally vociferous remainers of the board, I wonder why that would be scratchchin.
Who has been calling you a stupid racist? I certainly haven't.

This forum consists of lots of people saying they are being bullied and are being called thick racists.
Were you banned for calling people peado's ?

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Integroo said:
Plenty in Scotland think we should have a second independence referendum; many of whom also don't think we should have a second Brexit referendum. The SNP should call it a day!
Just as well Labour are more or less extinct up there then.
The confusion would be of Biblical proportions. smile