The people's vote

[johnxjsc1985]

should this not be called "The labour party members vote" nothing to do with People.

[irocfan]

Ghibli said:

I'm asking why people say they are being accused of being racist and where they are accused.

well I did suggest you look on google for various utterances of this - if you KBA to look that's hardly something we can help....

[anonymous-user]

gooner1 said:

Were you banned for calling people peado's ?

Nope, I was banned because someone pressed the snowflake button because they felt they were being bullied.

They kept going on about children and bedtime, I asked what the fascination was. Obviously it was nothing to do with Brexit.

[anonymous-user]

irocfan said:

Ghibli said:

I'm asking why people say they are being accused of being racist and where they are accused.

well I did suggest you look on google for various utterances of this - if you KBA to look that's hardly something we can help....

If that's their reason for voting Brexit in a second referendum it seems a bit odd.

[gooner1]

Ghibli said:

gooner1 said:

Were you banned for calling people peado's ?

Nope, I was banned because someone pressed the snowflake button because they felt they were being bullied.

They kept going on about children and bedtime, I asked what the fascination was. Obviously it was nothing to do with Brexit.

I heard Alfie had an Imbicile button, who pressed the snowflake button and what thread was that in?

[irocfan]

Ghibli said:

irocfan said:

Just do a Google search there seems to be more of it about than I thought

Would that be your reason to vote Brexit again. Or would you look at what Brexit will actually end up being.

Believe it or not there is abuse from leave voters but we don't need to go down that road unless someone feels they would vote remain because of something someone said on a message board.

some leave voters have been vile in their abuse - ditto some remain. I'm getting the feeling that leave voters are somewhat like Tory voters before the last election - there are a lot of us but we can't be bothered with the hassle /abuse that comes with that position.

FWIW I was a reluctant leaver - I am now a full-on paid-up member of leave at all costs

[Not-The-Messiah]

Integroo said:

This is why referendums on complex issues are a bad idea. There is a reason we have a representative democracy. Parliament would never have voted for Brexit.

Thats just a complete contradiction?

The key word is representative if they don't or wouldn't do something the people who elected them want. Then it's defintly not representative democracy, the best way I could describe it is agreed dictatorship at the moment.

[CAPP0]

andy_s said:

CAPP0 said:

The Surveyor said:

I see the outcome being similar to a high-flyer leaving one job to work for another company. We've already handed in our resignation, told the old company to shove its bureaucracy where the sun don't shine and we're off on adventures new. If we change direction and ask for our old position back on the basis we no longer have an alternative option, we'll be making the EU tea, filing and photocopying for decades.

Absolutely this. They're forcing us over a barrel currently as it is, imagine the fun they'd have if we voluntarily pulled our pants down and spread our legs.

Of course they are; they're acting in (eventually) their own best interest and to discourage others, that doesn't make them bad - it was always going to be like this. We'd be doing the same in their shoes. This is entirely predictable and entirely normal. Characterising them as the panto villain isn't strictly accurate i think.

Which is not what I was doing. But to capitulate (further) now would be a Very Bad Thing Indeed.

[Integroo]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Thats just a complete contradiction?

The key word is representative if they don't or wouldn't do something the people who elected them want. Then it's defintly not representative democracy, the best way I could describe it is agreed dictatorship at the moment.

Representative democracy: the principle of having elected officials to make decisions for us.

Direct democracy: people make decisions directly.

A referendum is the latter. We elect politicians to make decisions as they should be better informed and therefore make better decisions than individuals who don't have the time and resource, access to experts and often capability to properly consider issues and make good decisions.

[anonymous-user]

irocfan said:

some leave voters have been vile in their abuse - ditto some remain. I'm getting the feeling that leave voters are somewhat like Tory voters before the last election - there are a lot of us but we can't be bothered with the hassle /abuse that comes with that position.

FWIW I was a reluctant leaver - I am now a full-on paid-up member of leave at all costs

To be honest it's almost as people are using the excuse that remainers would be making them vote for Brexit if there to be another vote.

That's not saying that you would do that.

[B'stard Child]

Integroo said:

eccles said:

The one thing that strikes me about this whole situation is how poorly we were informed in the run up to the referendum.

It had been on the cards for a while, and yet no one (on either side) thought to release succinct information with the possible outcomes or things we may gain or loose by staying or leaving. All we had was scaremongering and wildly inaccurate information from the media and politicians alike.

With the benefit of hindsight, given the current situation we are now in and how serious the potential consequences for the country are, it's amazing that such an important decision was made with so little factual information.

This is why referendums on complex issues are a bad idea. There is a reason we have a representative democracy. Parliament would never have voted for Brexit.

I agree they wouldn't however a majority of parliament from all parties decided that the EU issue that has been casuing all parties issues over the years couldn't be decided by them so it would be best to let the people decide once and for all...........

Their problem now is that the people gave the "wrong" answer

[B'stard Child]

Ghibli said:

gooner1 said:

Were you banned for calling people peado's ?

Nope, I was banned because someone pressed the snowflake button because they felt they were being bullied.

They kept going on about children and bedtime, I asked what the fascination was. Obviously it was nothing to do with Brexit.

sorry I shouldn't but

[alfie2244]

gooner1 said:

Ghibli said:

gooner1 said:

Were you banned for calling people peado's ?

Nope, I was banned because someone pressed the snowflake button because they felt they were being bullied.

They kept going on about children and bedtime, I asked what the fascination was. Obviously it was nothing to do with Brexit.

I heard Alfie had an Imbicile button, who pressed the snowflake button and what thread was that in?

I had a "simpleton" button but being an old fogie I have put it somewhere safe and now I can't find it

For the record, I have never had or pressed a snowflake button and never would but, IIRC, did tell Giblets he was treading on dodgy ground at the time in question.

[0000]

BMG Brexit poll - don't knows excluded - said:

Canada style 28%
Leaving on WTO 24%
Staying in the EU 20%
Chequers 14%
Norway-Style 13%

[B'stard Child]

0000 said:

BMG Brexit poll - don't knows excluded - said:

Canada style 28%
Leaving on WTO 24%
Staying in the EU 20%
Chequers 14%
Norway-Style 13%

what did the 1% opt for??

[don'tbesilly]

B'stard Child said:

0000 said:

BMG Brexit poll - don't knows excluded - said:

Canada style 28%
Leaving on WTO 24%
Staying in the EU 20%
Chequers 14%
Norway-Style 13%

what did the 1% opt for??

Staying in bed.

[B'stard Child]

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

0000 said:

BMG Brexit poll - don't knows excluded - said:

Canada style 28%
Leaving on WTO 24%
Staying in the EU 20%
Chequers 14%
Norway-Style 13%

what did the 1% opt for??

Staying in bed.

Again....................... I suppose he will whinge like a b!tch forever about the result as well!!

[alfie2244]

B'stard Child said:

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

0000 said:

BMG Brexit poll - don't knows excluded - said:

Canada style 28%
Leaving on WTO 24%
Staying in the EU 20%
Chequers 14%
Norway-Style 13%

what did the 1% opt for??

Staying in bed.

Again....................... I suppose he will whinge like a b!tch forever about the result as well!!

Now who are we referring to?

[B'stard Child]

alfie2244 said:

B'stard Child said:

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

0000 said:

BMG Brexit poll - don't knows excluded - said:

Canada style 28%
Leaving on WTO 24%
Staying in the EU 20%
Chequers 14%
Norway-Style 13%

what did the 1% opt for??

Staying in bed.

Again....................... I suppose he will whinge like a b!tch forever about the result as well!!

Now who are we referring to?

No Idea - I'm sure I knew when I wrote it but I've forgotten already Alzheimers is such a pain

[dromond]

Ghibli said:

Russian troll bots post is not something I have been replying to no matter how much Dromond would like it to be.

I wonder why that would be, a post of that calibre, one of the best ever posts on all of the brexit threads in fact,
and you have nothing to say about it, too much truth in it for you?.
I couldn't care less if you replied to it or not, the fact that you have ignored it completely actually speaks volumes,
you couldn't come back at RTB's post if you tried.