Don't Mention the War. Or Churchill.
Discussion
I watched him on a Discovery Channel programme about NASA last night.
Then this:
UN ambassador for space apologises for quoting 'racist' Winston Churchill
Still, must keep the twitter mob onside.
Then this:
UN ambassador for space apologises for quoting 'racist' Winston Churchill
Scott Kelly said:
One of the greatest leaders of modern times, Sir Winston Churchill said, in victory, magnanimity.
Then Scott Kelly said:
Did not mean to offend by quoting Churchill. My apologies. I will go and educate myself further on his atrocities, racist views which I do not support.
Unfortunate choice of words?Still, must keep the twitter mob onside.
Academic Christina Sommers wrote: “Please don’t apologize. Winston Churchill, like all of us, had serious human failings. But unlike most of us—he possessed genuine greatness. And that greatness may have saved freedom & democracy. Ask the Twitter scolds to name a hero or heroine who didn’t have serious flaws.”
Nail -> Head.
Nail -> Head.
amusingduck said:
Academic Christina Sommers wrote: “Please don’t apologize. Winston Churchill, like all of us, had serious human failings. But unlike most of us—he possessed genuine greatness. And that greatness may have saved freedom & democracy. Ask the Twitter scolds to name a hero or heroine who didn’t have serious flaws.”
Nail -> Head.
Nail -> Head.
The Nazi's weren't defeated by the Allies being "nice".
Academic Christina Sommer said:
“Please don’t apologize. Winston Churchill, like all of us, had serious human failings. But unlike most of us—he possessed genuine greatness. And that greatness may have saved freedom & democracy. Ask the Twitter scolds to name a hero or heroine who didn’t have serious flaws.”
That needs quoting, so I remember it if nothing else.I am getting really sick of all these feminist/"progressives"/"people of colour"/LGBT/ADHD/differently abled constantly bleating about how they're offended or whatever. Seriously why can't they just FUUUUUUCCCCKKKK OOFFFFFFF!!!! Always whinging - "cultural appropriation" (tell you what then, how about if white girls can't have their hair braided, you don't use electricity? Fair trade?), or screaming about the GOP (while forgetting the likes of Bill Clinton/Anthony Weiner).
Then when things don't go their way they scream and have a riot (and the excuse is always that "we have no other option left".
And don't even start me on the beta cuck males that hang out demonstrating with feminists or whites hanging out at "black lives matter" demos.
Is it just me or is this "offended by everything" business a new thing? I don't remember it ever being so bad - is it down to social media?
This sort of thing.....
SJW meltdown
Then when things don't go their way they scream and have a riot (and the excuse is always that "we have no other option left".
And don't even start me on the beta cuck males that hang out demonstrating with feminists or whites hanging out at "black lives matter" demos.
Is it just me or is this "offended by everything" business a new thing? I don't remember it ever being so bad - is it down to social media?
This sort of thing.....
SJW meltdown
Edited by Dog Star on Tuesday 9th October 08:32
Kelly is of Irish-American immigrant descent. Many older Irish or older Irish-Americans harbour a bit of a grudge against British Imperialism - of which Churchill was a strong advocate.
Before Pearl Harbor, the Irish-American contingent in American politics was strongly against the US getting involved in the war. They were so vociferous that on occasions Roosevelt had to slap some Irish-American Senators and Congressmen down for making anti-British and seemingly pro-Fascist comments. Even the US Ambassodor - Joe Kennedy (an Irish-American and JFK's dad) was pretty anti-British and no friend of Churchill.
Maybe a bit of that was behind what he said.
Before Pearl Harbor, the Irish-American contingent in American politics was strongly against the US getting involved in the war. They were so vociferous that on occasions Roosevelt had to slap some Irish-American Senators and Congressmen down for making anti-British and seemingly pro-Fascist comments. Even the US Ambassodor - Joe Kennedy (an Irish-American and JFK's dad) was pretty anti-British and no friend of Churchill.
Maybe a bit of that was behind what he said.
Dog Star said:
I am getting really sick of all these feminist/"progressives"/"people of colour"/LGBT/ADHD/differently abled constantly bleating about how they're offended or whatever. Seriously why can't they just FUUUUUUCCCCKKKK OOFFFFFFF!!!! Always whinging - "cultural appropriation" (tell you what then, how about if white girls can't have their hair braided, you don't use electricity? Fair trade?), or screaming about the GOP (while forgetting the likes of Bill Clinton/Anthony Weiner).
Then when things don't go their way they scream and have a riot (and the excuse is always that "we have no other option left".
And don't even start me on the beta cuck males that hang out demonstrating with feminists or whites hanging out at "black lives matter" demos.
Is it just me or is this "offended by everything" business a new thing? I don't remember it ever being so bad - is it down to social media?
This sort of thing.....
SJW meltdown
And reactions like yours?Then when things don't go their way they scream and have a riot (and the excuse is always that "we have no other option left".
And don't even start me on the beta cuck males that hang out demonstrating with feminists or whites hanging out at "black lives matter" demos.
Is it just me or is this "offended by everything" business a new thing? I don't remember it ever being so bad - is it down to social media?
This sort of thing.....
SJW meltdown
Yes, it is to do with Social Media. People light off at 100% outrage and the reactions are equally over the top - like yours.
Eric Mc said:
Kelly is of Irish-American immigrant descent. Many older Irish or older Irish-Americans harbour a bit of a grudge against British Imperialism - of which Churchill was a strong advocate.
Before Pearl Harbor, the Irish-American contingent in American politics was strongly against the US getting involved in the war. They were so vociferous that on occasions Roosevelt had to slap some Irish-American Senators and Congressmen down for making anti-British and seemingly pro-Fascist comments. Even the US Ambassodor - Joe Kennedy (an Irish-American and JFK's dad) was pretty anti-British and no friend of Churchill.
Maybe a bit of that was behind what he said.
I doubt it.Before Pearl Harbor, the Irish-American contingent in American politics was strongly against the US getting involved in the war. They were so vociferous that on occasions Roosevelt had to slap some Irish-American Senators and Congressmen down for making anti-British and seemingly pro-Fascist comments. Even the US Ambassodor - Joe Kennedy (an Irish-American and JFK's dad) was pretty anti-British and no friend of Churchill.
Maybe a bit of that was behind what he said.
It appears he made his original comment, got shouted down by the social media mob and had to retract/apologise to keep the professionally offended happy.
Eric Mc said:
And reactions like yours?
Yes, it is to do with Social Media. People light off at 100% outrage and the reactions are equally over the top - like yours.
You really are a sad old man, Eric.Yes, it is to do with Social Media. People light off at 100% outrage and the reactions are equally over the top - like yours.
If you think my reactions are anything like, for example, those of the people in the linked video, or that I leap on and get offended about every last little thing that somebody says, or that I am going to get all aerated about who goes in what toilet then you're clearly going senile.
I just want to get on with my life without some screaming middle class twerps getting all in everyones faces about some non-existent issue. These people have become relentless.
I bet these people annoy you when they shriek about how money spent on Apollo/space research could be better spent on "the poor", or moaning about verses from the bible being read out at Christmas from around the moon. It's all just crap.
No - they don't annoy me - especially not to the point where I start flinging swear words about. Indeed, they may even have a point - which I am happy to discuss with them.
And I'm not a "sad old man" - your use of the phrase, of course, does show another tendency of social media for a discussion to degenerate into personal insults.
And I'm not a "sad old man" - your use of the phrase, of course, does show another tendency of social media for a discussion to degenerate into personal insults.
Eric Mc said:
No - they don't annoy me - especially not to the point where I start flinging swear words about. Indeed, they may even have a point - which I am happy to discuss with them.
And I'm not a "sad old man" - your use of the phrase, of course, does show another tendency of social media for a discussion to degenerate into personal insults.
Normally followed by accusations of being “snowflakes” or “DemonCats” (in the US)...And I'm not a "sad old man" - your use of the phrase, of course, does show another tendency of social media for a discussion to degenerate into personal insults.
Oh c'mon peopes.
Eric has aired his opinion. I'm obviously not alone in not aligning with it.
But his argument is is no way unduly inflammatory.
As for Kelly, I think it's a simple case of misjudging the instant airing of ones thoughts to the entire world. Black Mirror was/is inevitable.
It's a braver new world now.
Eric has aired his opinion. I'm obviously not alone in not aligning with it.
But his argument is is no way unduly inflammatory.
As for Kelly, I think it's a simple case of misjudging the instant airing of ones thoughts to the entire world. Black Mirror was/is inevitable.
It's a braver new world now.
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