Don't Mention the War. Or Churchill.

[Atomic12C]

JagLover said:

Excuse me "genocide"

Strategic bombing of enemy cities and industries was regarded as a valid method of warfare in WW2 and was started by the Germans.

The bombing of Warsaw, Rotterdam and indeed London proceeded the allied bombing campaign in Germany.

As for serving "no strategic purpose" its aim was to cause the surrender of Germany and, given that each day the war was prolonged thousands of slave labourers, Jews and POW died in German captivity many would consider that a sound strategic aim.

I have little patience for those who consider Germans the "victims" of WW2 when they turned the continent into a charnel house.

+1

I do wonder what is going through the mind-set of some people in their interpretation of history.
Some modern interpretations seem to forget the reality of the situation during the years of conflict (and a disrespect of the values of the people of the day) and is portraying a 'modern' set of values and political swing that seemingly serves nothing but a political agenda.

[Vaud]

Atomic12C said:

+1

I do wonder what is going through the mind-set of some people in their interpretation of history.
Some modern interpretations seem to forget the reality of the situation during the years of conflict (and a disrespect of the values of the people of the day) and is portraying a 'modern' set of values and political swing that seemingly serves nothing but a political agenda.

Very articulate and correct.

We had better demolish the pyramids as they were built with slave labour.

[JagLover]

percymk4 said:

Its not genocide by bombing an enemy city which holds strategic military value to the enemy. Munitions and other military materiel were produced there, never mind the communication and rail links. It was a legitimate target during total war and the casualties that people often cite are hugely exaggerated.

Off Topic slightly but I have seen a YouTube video where someone stated that the bombing of Dresden occurred after the German surrender.

Such misrepresentation of history is very important to the SJW set. It is very inconvenient to them that the only true "fascists" were opposed by the sort of men they revile.

[Roofless Toothless]

They started it, they invaded Poland ...

[aeropilot]

optimal909 said:

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

He is a hero for the Brits, for obvious reasons, and I respect it.
IMHO he committed genocide with the bombing of Dresden that served no sound strategic purpose.

I used to work with a women who was born in, and was a 8 year old child living in Dresden at the time of the raids, and lost an aunt and a cousin in the raid, as well as telling me she saw things in that week as a child no child should ever see..........BUT, she didn't consider it genocide at all or even a 'war crime' and used to get angry at revisionist history from people that weren't even born at the time, let alone there.

Also, the Dresden raid was a joint RAF/USAAF operation, yet its always only the RAF/Harris/Churchill that get blamed for it

[amusingduck]

JagLover said:

I have little patience for those who consider Germans the "victims" of WW2 when they turned the continent into a charnel house.

A charnel house is a vault or building where human skeletal remains are stored. They are often built near churches for depositing bones that are unearthed while digging graves. The term can also be used more generally as a description of a place filled with death and destruction.

[irocfan]

NewbishDelight said:

Eric Mc said:

Churchill is not a hero to everybody.

Not the Germans, for a start.

Actually I suspect that most post-war Germans would view him as a hero

WRT his views - Some of them were distasteful, even by the standards of the day. However, that shouldn't and, imo, doesn't detract from his place in history as one of the greatest Britons

[so called]

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

I'd like to agree but I'm inclined to consider that the Palestine situation has tipped the balance toward the negative.

[Mothersruin]

I forget, how was diversity and 'people of colour' celebrated in the US between the late 19th Century and the mid 60's?

[The Selfish Gene]

Atomic12C said:

JagLover said:

Excuse me "genocide"

Strategic bombing of enemy cities and industries was regarded as a valid method of warfare in WW2 and was started by the Germans.

The bombing of Warsaw, Rotterdam and indeed London proceeded the allied bombing campaign in Germany.

As for serving "no strategic purpose" its aim was to cause the surrender of Germany and, given that each day the war was prolonged thousands of slave labourers, Jews and POW died in German captivity many would consider that a sound strategic aim.

I have little patience for those who consider Germans the "victims" of WW2 when they turned the continent into a charnel house.

+1

I do wonder what is going through the mind-set of some people in their interpretation of history.
Some modern interpretations seem to forget the reality of the situation during the years of conflict (and a disrespect of the values of the people of the day) and is portraying a 'modern' set of values and political swing that seemingly serves nothing but a political agenda.

+2 well said Jag and Atomic

[irocfan]

so called said:

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

I'd like to agree but I'm inclined to consider that the Palestine situation has tipped the balance toward the negative.

Let's put it another way- imagine a timeline with no Churchill from 1938 onwards

[The Selfish Gene]

irocfan said:

so called said:

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

I'd like to agree but I'm inclined to consider that the Palestine situation has tipped the balance toward the negative.

Let's put it another way- imagine a timeline with no Churchill from 1938 onwards

es hätte die Dinge sehr anders gemacht

[aeropilot]

so called said:

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

I'd like to agree but I'm inclined to consider that the Palestine situation has tipped the balance toward the negative.

Care to expand that, as I'm curious as to how you think that's Churchill's fault.........!?

[so called]

irocfan said:

so called said:

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

I'd like to agree but I'm inclined to consider that the Palestine situation has tipped the balance toward the negative.

Let's put it another way- imagine a timeline with no Churchill from 1938 onwards

I understand your point. Its just that the Palestine has suffered for the last 70+ years and consequently we have had Middle East terrorism.
I can listen to WC all day during the war years.
So bad stuff after though.

[Johnnytheboy]

If Mr Kelly had quoted Stalin or Mao, for example, would he have been pressured to resign so quickly?

[irocfan]

The Selfish Gene said:

irocfan said:

so called said:

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

I'd like to agree but I'm inclined to consider that the Palestine situation has tipped the balance toward the negative.

Let's put it another way- imagine a timeline with no Churchill from 1938 onwards

es hätte die Dinge sehr anders gemacht

Genau, und see Fußballmanschaft Spurs wird such night mehr sein

[Mothersruin]

so called said:

irocfan said:

so called said:

Atomic12C said:

Well I, like many other British (along with many other western allies), view him as a hero and as a iconic leader.
His positive effect outweighs his negative in my opinion and I think the 'offended brigade' should consider that many things in the real world are about balance.

I'd like to agree but I'm inclined to consider that the Palestine situation has tipped the balance toward the negative.

Let's put it another way- imagine a timeline with no Churchill from 1938 onwards

I understand your point. Its just that the Palestine has suffered for the last 70+ years and consequently we have had Middle East terrorism.
I can listen to WC all day during the war years.
So bad stuff after though.

An Arab can have an argument in an empty room, they don't need people making excuses for any violence there.

[Vaud]

irocfan said:

Let's put it another way- imagine a timeline with no Churchill from 1938 onwards

By 2010 we would have had an overly powerful European superstate that overly controlled most aspects of 300M peoples rules, regulations and sought increased harmonization/standardization on many, many levels.

Oh, wait a minute.

[Eric Mc]

Zetec-S said:

Christ, talk about going off at a tangent. What's JC got to do with this?

Edited by Zetec-S on Tuesday 9th October 10:55

Language Timothy.

[irocfan]

Vaud said:

irocfan said:

Let's put it another way- imagine a timeline with no Churchill from 1938 onwards

By 2010 we would have had an overly powerful European superstate that overly controlled most aspects of 300M peoples rules, regulations and sought increased harmonization/standardization on many, many levels.

Oh, wait a minute.