How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Randy Winkman said:
I think anyone that uses their children for political gain is a cretin. You obviously don't. 
Each to their own I suppose.
Jazzy Jag said:
Not forgetting that the EU helped Ford move to Turkey from Eastleigh and have just handed JLR a lump of cash to build outside of the UK while Castle Bromwich is on a 3 day week and Solihull on shutdown.
But that's the EU so it's all fine.
Nothing to see here.
Nope, nothing, zip, zilch.
Your right nothing to see there.But that's the EU so it's all fine.
Nothing to see here.
Nope, nothing, zip, zilch.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsour...
Remember the claim was made by a politician and should be assumed to be a lie unless you can find an independent source.
Mrr T said:
Your right nothing to see there.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsour...
Remember the claim was made by a politician and should be assumed to be a lie unless you can find an independent source.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsour...
Remember the claim was made by a politician and should be assumed to be a lie unless you can find an independent source.
infacts said:
That is on top of the £13 billion in EU structural and investment funds that we are due to receive over the current 7-year budget period. In addition, we are the second-largest recipient of EU research funds, which benefit companies like Ford, Marks & Spencer and JLR.
Remind me again where that money the EU 'gives' us comes from?There are lies, and there are lies.
Tuna said:
Mrr T said:
Your right nothing to see there.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsour...
Remember the claim was made by a politician and should be assumed to be a lie unless you can find an independent source.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsour...
Remember the claim was made by a politician and should be assumed to be a lie unless you can find an independent source.
infacts said:
That is on top of the £13 billion in EU structural and investment funds that we are due to receive over the current 7-year budget period. In addition, we are the second-largest recipient of EU research funds, which benefit companies like Ford, Marks & Spencer and JLR.
Remind me again where that money the EU 'gives' us comes from?There are lies, and there are lies.
Jack Schickler is a journalist at InFacts.
He previously worked as a policy advisor at HM Treasury and the UK Representation to the EU,
and as a speechwriter to Neelie Kroes at the European Commission.
In Facts - banner on their website STOP BREXIT, link on their website - https://www.peoples-vote.uk/
Zero conflict of interest, zero bias.
Randy Winkman said:
Even as a remoaner and Daily Mail hater I like this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6305601...
"Saboteurs endangering our nation"
"Enough is enough. The time is over for griping, self-promotion and peacocking across the political stage by Tory MPs determined to undermine their leader. Don’t these posturing rebels understand they are sabotaging the Prime Minister at the most crucial point in our history since the Second World War?"
Hasn’t the Daily Mail had a change of chief editor recently? Seems plenty of hyperbole in the article and a shortage of accurate factual information, still it is the D.M.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6305601...
"Saboteurs endangering our nation"
"Enough is enough. The time is over for griping, self-promotion and peacocking across the political stage by Tory MPs determined to undermine their leader. Don’t these posturing rebels understand they are sabotaging the Prime Minister at the most crucial point in our history since the Second World War?"
don'tbesilly said:
The author of the article Jack Schickler :
Jack Schickler is a journalist at InFacts.
He previously worked as a policy advisor at HM Treasury and the UK Representation to the EU,
and as a speechwriter to Neelie Kroes at the European Commission.
In Facts - banner on their website STOP BREXIT, link on their website - https://www.peoples-vote.uk/
Zero conflict of interest, zero bias.
So are the facts in the link about the EIB loan to Ford correct or incorrect? Jack Schickler is a journalist at InFacts.
He previously worked as a policy advisor at HM Treasury and the UK Representation to the EU,
and as a speechwriter to Neelie Kroes at the European Commission.
In Facts - banner on their website STOP BREXIT, link on their website - https://www.peoples-vote.uk/
Zero conflict of interest, zero bias.
crankedup said:
Hasn’t the Daily Mail had a change of chief editor recently? Seems plenty of hyperbole in the article and a shortage of accurate factual information, still it is the D.M.
Change of editor happened shortly before May's "chequers" proposal materialised.Now apparently we are all supposed to get behind whatever awful deal May proposes.
alfie2244 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Using children for political gain, sick or otherwise. 
crankedup said:
Hasn’t the Daily Mail had a change of chief editor recently? Seems plenty of hyperbole in the article and a shortage of accurate factual information, still it is the D.M.
I think some people aren't aware that the Ultra Remain editor of the Mail on Sunday is in charge now at the Daily Mail and has started pushing his thoughts there too. That article looks like it came straight from him.
JagLover said:
crankedup said:
Hasn’t the Daily Mail had a change of chief editor recently? Seems plenty of hyperbole in the article and a shortage of accurate factual information, still it is the D.M.
Change of editor happened shortly before May's "chequers" proposal materialised.Now apparently we are all supposed to get behind whatever awful deal May proposes.
Randy Winkman said:
alfie2244 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Using children for political gain, sick or otherwise. "In response to the tweet, which he now appears to have deleted, Mr Jackson said: "What a pathetic cretin."
What sort of individual invades their sick child's privacy at a sensitive time to make a political point about the so called Peoples Vote? Really. Awful.
— Stewart Jackson (@BrexitStewart) October 22, 2018"
Tuna said:
Mrr T said:
Your right nothing to see there.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsour...
Remember the claim was made by a politician and should be assumed to be a lie unless you can find an independent source.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsour...
Remember the claim was made by a politician and should be assumed to be a lie unless you can find an independent source.
infacts said:
That is on top of the £13 billion in EU structural and investment funds that we are due to receive over the current 7-year budget period. In addition, we are the second-largest recipient of EU research funds, which benefit companies like Ford, Marks & Spencer and JLR.
Remind me again where that money the EU 'gives' us comes from?There are lies, and there are lies.
Mrr T said:
don'tbesilly said:
The author of the article Jack Schickler :
Jack Schickler is a journalist at InFacts.
He previously worked as a policy advisor at HM Treasury and the UK Representation to the EU,
and as a speechwriter to Neelie Kroes at the European Commission.
In Facts - banner on their website STOP BREXIT, link on their website - https://www.peoples-vote.uk/
Zero conflict of interest, zero bias.
So are the facts in the link about the EIB loan to Ford correct or incorrect? Jack Schickler is a journalist at InFacts.
He previously worked as a policy advisor at HM Treasury and the UK Representation to the EU,
and as a speechwriter to Neelie Kroes at the European Commission.
In Facts - banner on their website STOP BREXIT, link on their website - https://www.peoples-vote.uk/
Zero conflict of interest, zero bias.
Firstly you've called Daniel Hannan a liar.
Can you provide any evidence of such a slur, other than the linked article written by Jack Schickler, who most would agree has a conflict of interest based on the above, and also a heavy dose of unbridled bias based on the above.
Can you answer the question Tuna asked which prompted my response.
When you've done the above and gathered the answers come back, and post your answers and I'll answer your question,
Does that sound fair?
Randy Winkman said:
alfie2244 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Using children for political gain, sick or otherwise. gooner1 said:
Randy Winkman said:
alfie2244 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Using children for political gain, sick or otherwise. https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/bse-cris...
Tuna said:
This kinda highlights a difference between Remainers and Leavers.
Remainers believe that Dyson should be 'investing in the UK', Leavers believe he should be 'investing globally'.
For Remainers, it doesn't matter if it's poor business or uneconomical to build something in the UK (or the EU), he should be doing so 'for the kids' (or something). If he does otherwise then he's a greedy money grabbing capitalist pig dog. I paraphrase, simply because I think this argument is self serving and poorly thought out. In particular it shows pretty broad ignorance of the work Dyson does in the UK.
For Leavers, (and here I'll count myself as a Leaver in that I believe in free trade and global business), Dyson is one of a rare breed of British entrepreneur, and his successful business brings money into the country and funds serious levels of investment in research, skills and technology. Wherever Dyson happens to manufacture his products, money, technology and skills are being brought into the UK.
I find myself asking why we fare fairly badly at building new and innovative businesses. The US and China are racing ahead in innovative technology. We don't have an EU version of Facebook, Google, Tesla, DJI, GoPro, Amazon, Uber, Alibaba, Ebay, Banggood... it's quite a long list. If you look at the EU's response to these big companies, it's almost wholly negative. Their first reaction is to try to preserve the old-guard, then to force businesses to await regulation, then to try to enforce competition in industries that are barely established.
The attitude is that without state intervention, these companies are 'bad', and that emergent industries should be guided by officials who know better. Yet it's pretty clear that the environment they impose has proven to be pretty barren when it comes to this sort of innovation. Part of my optimism for Brexit is that we could look at the environment we have created in fresh eyes and encourage a healthier market.
Remainers believe that Dyson should be 'investing in the UK', Leavers believe he should be 'investing globally'.
For Remainers, it doesn't matter if it's poor business or uneconomical to build something in the UK (or the EU), he should be doing so 'for the kids' (or something). If he does otherwise then he's a greedy money grabbing capitalist pig dog. I paraphrase, simply because I think this argument is self serving and poorly thought out. In particular it shows pretty broad ignorance of the work Dyson does in the UK.
For Leavers, (and here I'll count myself as a Leaver in that I believe in free trade and global business), Dyson is one of a rare breed of British entrepreneur, and his successful business brings money into the country and funds serious levels of investment in research, skills and technology. Wherever Dyson happens to manufacture his products, money, technology and skills are being brought into the UK.
I find myself asking why we fare fairly badly at building new and innovative businesses. The US and China are racing ahead in innovative technology. We don't have an EU version of Facebook, Google, Tesla, DJI, GoPro, Amazon, Uber, Alibaba, Ebay, Banggood... it's quite a long list. If you look at the EU's response to these big companies, it's almost wholly negative. Their first reaction is to try to preserve the old-guard, then to force businesses to await regulation, then to try to enforce competition in industries that are barely established.
The attitude is that without state intervention, these companies are 'bad', and that emergent industries should be guided by officials who know better. Yet it's pretty clear that the environment they impose has proven to be pretty barren when it comes to this sort of innovation. Part of my optimism for Brexit is that we could look at the environment we have created in fresh eyes and encourage a healthier market.
best post on a Brexit thread for a very long time.Crackie said:
best post on a Brexit thread for a very long time.A pathetic example of Leaver's incorrectly interpreting how most Remainer's think and showing extreme ignorance in the process.
But do carry on with your moronic thought processes, it is amusing to witness.
Coolbanana said:
Crackie said:
best post on a Brexit thread for a very long time.A pathetic example of Leaver's incorrectly interpreting how most Remainer's think and showing extreme ignorance in the process.
But do carry on with your moronic thought processes, it is amusing to witness.
Coolbanana said:
Crackie said:
best post on a Brexit thread for a very long time.A pathetic example of Leaver's incorrectly interpreting how most Remainer's think and showing extreme ignorance in the process.
But do carry on with your moronic thought processes, it is amusing to witness.
I'm not at all surprised you went off on one...…..properly triggered So predictable. You almost gave me a full house on my "Coolbanana HOTCD* bingo card" in one single post too. Good effort
- Hard Of Thinking Condescending Dimwit.
Coolbanana said:
Utterly gormless is a better description
A pathetic example of Leaver's incorrectly interpreting how most Remainer's think and showing extreme ignorance in the process.
But do carry on with your moronic thought processes, it is amusing to witness
I would bow out now if I were you. A pathetic example of Leaver's incorrectly interpreting how most Remainer's think and showing extreme ignorance in the process.
But do carry on with your moronic thought processes, it is amusing to witness
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