How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)

[JagLover]

p1stonhead said:

Any decision they make will be disagreed with by someone. Its impossible to please everyone.

Hence here we apparently are with some sort of fudged deal for now.

If there is no way of getting out of it, then it is a fudged deal for decades to come. It is not for now and talking of "temporary" backstops does not conceal this fact.

[John145]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Depends, if for example there was an executive summary provided by my trustee employee I may well do.

Besides, they are politicians so accustomed to U-turns.

I'd suggest you read everything put confront of you.

If the st hits the fan the dude who has the final say takes the fall...

[anonymous-user]

Dr Jekyll said:

Greg66 said:

MPs who are supposed to do the heavy intellectual lifting on things like this and make the hard decisions for us.

Have you ever met an MP?

Even if they are assumed to be intellectual giants (and in my experience they are the type who probably watched Magpie instead of Blue Peter). They made a decision to hold a referendum which you say they shouldn't.

Should we only allow them to make decisions you agree with?

This has zero to do with whether I agree with their decision. Odd that that's your go-to point.

To contrast against your rhetorical question: "Have you ever met an average voter?"

[p1stonhead]

JagLover said:

p1stonhead said:

Any decision they make will be disagreed with by someone. Its impossible to please everyone.

Hence here we apparently are with some sort of fudged deal for now.

If there is no way of getting out of it, then it is a fudged deal for decades to come. It is not for now and talking of "temporary" backstops does not conceal this fact.

Ah well we will probably be dead and the next generation can deal with it. Isnt that the Brexiter way?

[John145]

p1stonhead said:

Ah well we will probably be dead and the next generation can deal with it. Isnt that the Brexiter way?

It depends how you look at it. I like to use evidence. The evidence suggests that the EU is the best institution for kicking the can down the road and impoverishing the yet to be born.

[Crackie]

Sway said:

Coolbanana said:

Leavers are embarrassed now, they can see they were wrong but will argue simpleton solutions and crazy ignorant ideals in a ridiculous attempt to save face. It is amusing to watch them degrade themselves this way.

You're absolutely correct - I simply don't understand why I could possibly think an approach already in use across Europe and the globe could possibly have worked. I'm so stupid.

So please, enlighten me and I'll follow whatever path you wish me to lead - what, exactly, is the issue with the 'simpleton solution' of a technically managed AEO preclearance style approach to the border? Idealistic, I know, but I'm just not capable of finding the flaw in it.

Please help, I'm relying on your magnanimity.

[Dr Jekyll]

Greg66 said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Greg66 said:

MPs who are supposed to do the heavy intellectual lifting on things like this and make the hard decisions for us.

Have you ever met an MP?

Even if they are assumed to be intellectual giants (and in my experience they are the type who probably watched Magpie instead of Blue Peter). They made a decision to hold a referendum which you say they shouldn't.

Should we only allow them to make decisions you agree with?

This has zero to do with whether I agree with their decision. Odd that that's your go-to point.

To contrast against your rhetorical question: "Have you ever met an average voter?"

I am an average voter.

[Dr Jekyll]

Greg66 said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Greg66 said:

MPs who are supposed to do the heavy intellectual lifting on things like this and make the hard decisions for us.

Have you ever met an MP?

Even if they are assumed to be intellectual giants (and in my experience they are the type who probably watched Magpie instead of Blue Peter). They made a decision to hold a referendum which you say they shouldn't.

Should we only allow them to make decisions you agree with?

This has zero to do with whether I agree with their decision. Odd that that's your go-to point.

To contrast against your rhetorical question: "Have you ever met an average voter?"

I am an average voter.

[Oilchange]

So much talking down of the country and its future by bitter remainers. Its actually quite sad to see. If i had voted to remain and of course lost id be trying to look on the bright side and be optimistic.
I find it rather un British (UK-ish to be more accurate)

[Crackie]

Coolbanana said:

whining more than usual and throwing tantrums.

bh and moan

are embarrassed now,

will argue simpleton solutions

crazy ignorant

a ridiculous attempt to save face.

degrade themselves this way.

More projection from you onto Leavers again today Coolbanana. Hopefully your rants are proving to be cathartic.

[alfie2244]

Crackie said:

Coolbanana said:

whining more than usual and throwing tantrums.

bh and moan

are embarrassed now,

will argue simpleton solutions

crazy ignorant

a ridiculous attempt to save face.

degrade themselves this way.

More projection from you onto Leavers again today Coolbanana. Hopefully your rants are proving to be cathartic.

And this is the kind of attitude that possibly tipped the balance towards a Leave vote in the 1st place..... so for that coldbananaman et al I thank you.

[Digga]

Dr Jekyll said:

Even if they are assumed to be intellectual giants (and in my experience they are the type who probably watched Magpie instead of Blue Peter).

If Carlsberg did obscure cultural references form the 1970's/80's.

Tangential way to hit the nail squarely on the head.

[p1stonhead]

alfie2244 said:

Crackie said:

Coolbanana said:

whining more than usual and throwing tantrums.

bh and moan

are embarrassed now,

will argue simpleton solutions

crazy ignorant

a ridiculous attempt to save face.

degrade themselves this way.

More projection from you onto Leavers again today Coolbanana. Hopefully your rants are proving to be cathartic.

And this is the kind of attitude that possibly tipped the balance towards a Leave vote in the 1st place..... so for that coldbananaman et al I thank you.

Maybe wait until today’s meeting is over before you go thanking anyone

[alfie2244]

p1stonhead said:

alfie2244 said:

Crackie said:

Coolbanana said:

whining more than usual and throwing tantrums.

bh and moan

are embarrassed now,

will argue simpleton solutions

crazy ignorant

a ridiculous attempt to save face.

degrade themselves this way.

More projection from you onto Leavers again today Coolbanana. Hopefully your rants are proving to be cathartic.

And this is the kind of attitude that possibly tipped the balance towards a Leave vote in the 1st place..... so for that coldbananaman et al I thank you.

Maybe wait until today’s meeting is over before you go thanking anyone

I'm waiting for the fat lady to sing

[SpeckledJim]

Crackie said:

Coolbanana said:

whining more than usual and throwing tantrums.

bh and moan

are embarrassed now,

will argue simpleton solutions

crazy ignorant

a ridiculous attempt to save face.

degrade themselves this way.

More projection from you onto Leavers again today Coolbanana. Hopefully your rants are proving to be cathartic.

He's coolbanana and he's inordinately clever.

But he doesn't know how to solve the Euro debt crisis. He just thinks we should definitely stay as close to it as possible.

[Coolbanana]

Crackie said:

More projection from you onto Leavers again today Coolbanana. Hopefully your rants are proving to be cathartic.

Rants? Merely observations.

Leavers are nothing but a source of mild amusement; a curiosity in that they provide an insight into a segment of the so-called Populist mindset who want to blame others rather than look at the true source of their problems or regrets.

I probably will laugh at Leavers who are unhappy once the full impact of Brexit is realised - after all, they have sown their own failure and deserve ridicule.

[SpeckledJim]

And about the debt crisis?

Silence, came the harsh reply...

[paulrockliffe]

May doubles down at PMQs; we're taking back control of money, borders, fisheries, leaving the Customs Union and Single Market and protecting the integrity of the UK.

So all the news reports must be wrong, I'm looking forward to reading my 500 pages.

It's bad when you're getting eviscerated by Corbyn on something like this, quoting Weyand now.

But what's more interesting is the ineptitude of May that she's not managed the message by asking the EU to not say a word until she's signed up Cabinet and put herself in PMQs between leaks and Cabinet meeting.

She's a moron.

[Piha]

paulrockliffe said:

May doubles down at PMQs; we're taking back control of money, borders, fisheries, leaving the Customs Union and Single Market and protecting the integrity of the UK.

So all the news reports must be wrong, I'm looking forward to reading my 500 pages.

It's bad when you're getting eviscerated by Corbyn on something like this, quoting Weyand now.

But what's more interesting is the ineptitude of May that she's not managed the message by asking the EU to not say a word until she's signed up Cabinet and put herself in PMQs between leaks and Cabinet meeting.

She's a moron.

Teresa was voted in on the back of a democratic GE to get the best possible EU Leave deal. That is what she is doing. Those that voted tory need to get behind TM, that's the democratic way!

Calling her infantile names is just plain silly.

[paulrockliffe]

Now she's not answering questions at all, just ranting about Labour spending policy. Properly rattled because she know's she's talking bks.