How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)

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WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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so called said:
I voted to remain.
I lost.
Oh well, I thought, new horizon, suck it up and get on with it. I cant change the result.
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Remainers - bh, moan, groan.
Brexiters - gloat, gloat, gloat
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Now I sit and listen to the Remainer's................."The negotiations are terrible".
and I sit and listen to the Brexiter's................."The negotiations are terrible".
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Seems like no one is going to get what they wanted?

Happy days.
Think I'll go buy a car made in England and drive up into the Welsh hills and check out my new horizon.
why are remainers unhappy though? from Twitter it seems most are unhappy that it's too close to being in the EU that we should have stayed?

this is an odd basis for dissatisfaction, why would they prefer no deal?

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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HoHoHo said:
don'tbesilly said:
The chances are many of the bitter Remainers are Tory voters.
Given the close result of the referendum and the physical votes cast in the last GE (Con 42.4. Lab 40.0 and LD 7%) I would suggest it would be reasonable to assume there's pretty much a 50/50 split between Labour and Conservative.
The editing out of the vast majority of what was originally written makes your subsequent response an irrelevance.

Thanks for the irrelevance though.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Earthdweller said:
The Irish have just announced that the “Brexit deal” will be put to a vote in the Irish Parliament as to whether they will accept it
hehe

Would it be too condescending to say 'bless'?

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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psi310398 said:
Earthdweller said:
The Irish have just announced that the “Brexit deal” will be put to a vote in the Irish Parliament as to whether they will accept it
Well, if they don't, on past form, won't they simply be told to vote again until they do?
Presumably they’ll use their EU veto to shut it down so us agreeing on it will be irrelevant?

Crackie

6,386 posts

241 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Piha said:
Teresa was voted in on the back of a democratic GE to get the best possible EU Leave deal. That is what she is doing. Those that voted tory need to get behind TM, that's the democratic way!
You could be right......we're currently heading for no deal.

Italy are coming to their senses too. https://www.thelocal.it/20181017/italy-eu-euroscep...

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Earthdweller said:
The Irish have just announced that the “Brexit deal” will be put to a vote in the Irish Parliament as to whether they will accept it
That's not a surprise.

However, the Irish vote isn't a veto holding vote in the Council - none of them are. The vote for the Withdrawal Agreement within the Council is held under QMV.

Under QMV, Ireland is fairly meaningless - only a single vote, and a small population...

TheFlyingBanana

16,484 posts

243 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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The masterminds behind Brexit:


amgmcqueen

3,343 posts

149 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Quite extraordinary that it's taken 2 years to produce possibly the worst deal in history!

No way to dress it up other than BRINO, which nobody voted for.

JagLover

42,266 posts

234 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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amgmcqueen said:
Quite extraordinary that it's taken 2 years to produce possibly the worst deal in history!

No way to dress it up other than BRINO, which nobody voted for.
The Sunday Times (which is usually pro-remain with a few commentators offering a counter-point) had a funny quote from an official at the weekend "we could have had this deal a year ago", this was moaning about obstructive Ministers. But yes they could have sold out the UK at any point, and capitulated to the EU, they didn't need to wait until now.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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TheFlyingBanana said:
The masterminds behind Brexit:

And the masterminds behind the Referendum:

Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.

Publishing Treasury analysis, he said a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower.


How many Remain votes did that out-and-out guess/lie win?

paulrockliffe

15,639 posts

226 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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JagLover said:
The Sunday Times (which is usually pro-remain with a few commentators offering a counter-point) had a funny quote from an official at the weekend "we could have had this deal a year ago", this was moaning about obstructive Ministers.
We made sufficient progress to move onto trade/future relationship last December, then spent a year talking about Ireland instead and have ended up with nothing of any value.

You have to think that the EU have strung this out because if they'd said two years ago that this was all they would agree to, we'd at least have had two years to prepare for no deal.

Not that I blame them for that, we should have taken 'good faith' with a pinch of salt and prepared for no deal from the start, even if it was just a tactic.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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paulrockliffe said:
JagLover said:
The Sunday Times (which is usually pro-remain with a few commentators offering a counter-point) had a funny quote from an official at the weekend "we could have had this deal a year ago", this was moaning about obstructive Ministers.
We made sufficient progress to move onto trade/future relationship last December, then spent a year talking about Ireland
That’s because no one could solve the problem which until today (apparently) remained the biggest issue.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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p1stonhead said:
That’s because no one could solve the problem which until today (apparently) remained the biggest issue.
Apart from the solution proposed at various times by:

The WTO
Davis
Rees-Mogg
The ERG
Barnier

You know, the one already in use across the EU and wider planet...

That impossible solution.

JagLover

42,266 posts

234 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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p1stonhead said:
That’s because no one could solve the problem which until today (apparently) remained the biggest issue.
Well May's solved it all right, by Keeping the UK in a customs union, and accepting EU control over large parts of our regulations and economy. Neither of which seems to have that much to do with facilitating trade over the NI border.

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Piha said:
Teresa was voted in on the back of a democratic GE to get the best possible EU Leave deal. That is what she is doing. Those that voted tory need to get behind TM, that's the democratic way!

Calling her infantile names is just plain silly.
I'm just waiting for her to sing biggrin

HoHoHo

14,980 posts

249 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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TheFlyingBanana said:
The masterminds behind Brexit:

What's not to like, looks like paradise is no more than an X away......

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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B'stard Child said:
Piha said:
Teresa was voted in on the back of a democratic GE to get the best possible EU Leave deal. That is what she is doing. Those that voted tory need to get behind TM, that's the democratic way!

Calling her infantile names is just plain silly.
I'm just waiting for her to sing biggrin
I have bought special ear plugs, looking forward to it

amgmcqueen

3,343 posts

149 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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So May is planning on handing over £40billion of taxpayers money for absolutely nothing whatsoever in return.

Seems like she is now of the opinion a bad deal is better than a no deal? Judging by this garbage that's been produced, I imagine they do not have a single clue on what to do in the case of a no deal.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Sway said:
p1stonhead said:
That’s because no one could solve the problem which until today (apparently) remained the biggest issue.
Apart from the solution proposed at various times by:

The WTO
Davis
Rees-Mogg
The ERG
Barnier

You know, the one already in use across the EU and wider planet...

That impossible solution.
Clearly none were actually going to work otherwise they would have agreed it by now.

Someone always disagrees including the DUP who are the puppet masters don’t forget.

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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psi310398 said:
Earthdweller said:
The Irish have just announced that the “Brexit deal” will be put to a vote in the Irish Parliament as to whether they will accept it
Well, if they don't, on past form, won't they simply be told to vote again until they do?
I think that was the other Irish

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