How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Roboraver said:
Jeeze
Nissan, Ford, AstraZeneca, Airbus, Siemens, Toyota, BMW, etc, etc,
The list gets longer and longer every day and still the Brexit lemmings want to jump over the cliff and take everyone with them.
If only Mars was habitable....
Out of interest, how many of those predicted doom if we didn't join the Euro?Nissan, Ford, AstraZeneca, Airbus, Siemens, Toyota, BMW, etc, etc,
The list gets longer and longer every day and still the Brexit lemmings want to jump over the cliff and take everyone with them.
If only Mars was habitable....
dazwalsh said:
Roboraver said:
Jeeze
Nissan, Ford, AstraZeneca, Airbus, Siemens, Toyota, BMW, etc, etc,
The list gets longer and longer every day and still the Brexit lemmings want to jump over the cliff and take everyone with them.
If only Mars was habitable....
They arent going anywhere. It takes decades to build the infastructure and expertise of these huge companies listed. you cant just move the factory to eastern europe. Nissan, Ford, AstraZeneca, Airbus, Siemens, Toyota, BMW, etc, etc,
The list gets longer and longer every day and still the Brexit lemmings want to jump over the cliff and take everyone with them.
If only Mars was habitable....
Thats a list of companies that will still be here after brexit. Infact its a list of companies who will be dictating the brexit trade deal. business has far more power in these negotiatons than we think.
This and other parties never had a Brexit plan, the politicians are only looking after their power position and Jobs.
Brexit issues are more around what’s happening in the UK it’s not just imigration but around what is happening around Jobs, Money and no say in their community Eg Uber and deliveroo style low pay no worker benefits, Housing estates carving up the country. Most issues are not EU created but either technology or greed ( foreign buyers buying 60% of new housing stock) Succesive governments selling off UK assets privatising companies but not retaining UK control and the profit from privatisations going to shareholders or overseas holding / controlling/ companies. Social and pensions being shredded as this government has failed to provide the citizens with a good ethical deal. Is the EU to blame probably not.
Murph7355 said:
Roboraver said:
Jeeze
Nissan, Ford, AstraZeneca, Airbus, Siemens, Toyota, BMW, etc, etc,
The list gets longer and longer every day and still the Brexit lemmings want to jump over the cliff and take everyone with them.
If only Mars was habitable....
Out of interest, how many of those predicted doom if we didn't join the Euro?Nissan, Ford, AstraZeneca, Airbus, Siemens, Toyota, BMW, etc, etc,
The list gets longer and longer every day and still the Brexit lemmings want to jump over the cliff and take everyone with them.
If only Mars was habitable....
A further puzzler:
Which esteemed UK Daily stated the below in 2001?
Greece would draw huge benefits from Eurozone membership.
“With Greece now trading in euros, few will mourn the death of the drachma,” it predicted.
“Membership of the Eurozone offers the prospect of long-term economic stability.”
Toaster said:
don’t be naive a company can move and create a production line quite rapidly and with a governments support it could only take months rather than decades.
This is amusing, look at the issues Tesla is facing with its own production facilities, it will take years to get up to full speed. I assume you could move the Mercedes production to the UK in a couple of months?Government support, what a joke, this is the opposite of what a business requires.
EU scraps plans for Brexit summit statement on future trade deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
JagLover said:
EU scraps plans for Brexit summit statement on future trade deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
Is there a McDonalds in Luxembourg?https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
May could go there for dinner, it's pointless her going to the dinner with the other EU 27 crew.
It's probably pointless her jumping on a plane at all, there must be a McDonalds local to No10, cheaper all round for the taxpayer.
JagLover said:
EU scraps plans for Brexit summit statement on future trade deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
What is the answer? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
don'tbesilly said:
Is there a McDonalds in Luxembourg?
May could go there for dinner, it's pointless her going to the dinner with the other EU 27 crew.
It's probably pointless her jumping on a plane at all, there must be a McDonalds local to No10, cheaper all round for the taxpayer.
May could go there for dinner, it's pointless her going to the dinner with the other EU 27 crew.
It's probably pointless her jumping on a plane at all, there must be a McDonalds local to No10, cheaper all round for the taxpayer.
Or a KFC
Ghibli said:
What is the answer?
Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
If the EU continue with its current stance then we leave without a deal. The result of the referendum was not conditional upon obtaining agreement with the EU. Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
Ghibli said:
What is the answer?
Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
Have you not worked it out yet?Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
May will present a totally unacceptable brexit to parliament.
The only thing left on the table will be a no deal crash out, parliament will not accept that and there will be cross party calls for May to go back to the EU and we will end up still in a cu / sm with her able to say that parliament would not allow her to gain a proper brexit.
The raving looney hard Brexiteers will rush off to a revitalised ukip/farage appreciation society and we will end up with Mcdonald as pm
JagLover said:
Ghibli said:
What is the answer?
Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
If the EU continue with its current stance then we leave without a deal. The result of the referendum was not conditional upon obtaining agreement with the EU. Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
don'tbesilly said:
JagLover said:
EU scraps plans for Brexit summit statement on future trade deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
Is there a McDonalds in Luxembourg?https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
May could go there for dinner, it's pointless her going to the dinner with the other EU 27 crew.
It's probably pointless her jumping on a plane at all, there must be a McDonalds local to No10, cheaper all round for the taxpayer.
What all this focus on NI, particularly recently, has done is over-shadow the fact that May doesn't have support for her policy either at home or in the EU even if she solves the border issue. It's not that the EU are asking for one (massive) capitulation, there are further capitulations on FoM, regulatory alignment and 'level playing field' required to get anywhere near a deal.
Of course if May doesn't resolve the insurance policy on NI and the EU won't then discuss a withdrawal agreement, then there'll definitely be a hard border. If the bizarre sequencing of the talks didn't convince you 'good faith' means something different in Brussels, then that state of affairs must.
It's difficult to draw any conclusion other than the EU approach is to force May to agree to stay in the EU, with a tin-ear to the domestic and democratic position in the UK that makes that impossible and no-deal inevitable.
At least the wife took notice when I told her not to book a trip to Euro Disney for April next year.
Ghibli said:
JagLover said:
Ghibli said:
What is the answer?
Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
If the EU continue with its current stance then we leave without a deal. The result of the referendum was not conditional upon obtaining agreement with the EU. Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
Ghibli said:
JagLover said:
EU scraps plans for Brexit summit statement on future trade deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
What is the answer? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/e...
It seems to me that everything since last November/December in the "negotiations" has been a complete waste of time.
The UK government cannot accept the EUs position on the NI border and so if the EU continue with that stance there is no deal to be had. May's approach of signing up to some fudged declaration while knowing she couldn't meet the EU's expectations over NI seems entirely pointless.
Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
citizensm1th said:
Ghibli said:
What is the answer?
Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
Have you not worked it out yet?Should the EU let us continue as if we are a member of the EU without being one or the UK settle for a backstop until we can find a solution.
May will present a totally unacceptable brexit to parliament.
citizensm1th said:
The only thing left on the table will be a no deal crash out, parliament will not accept that and there will be cross party calls for May to go back to the EU and we will end up still in a cu / sm with her able to say that parliament would not allow her to gain a proper brexit.
It's not a crash out FFS - it's just Brexit - you know "leave the EU" the alternative to "remain in the EU"Parliament have a meaningful vote on a deal - no deal - no vote needed - we leave
citizensm1th said:
The raving looney hard Brexiteers will rush off to a revitalised ukip/farage appreciation society and we will end up with Mcdonald as pm
If that happens then I welcome it - this country could do with seeing what a proper left wing Labour government do to it - might wake up a few "liberal lefties"Of course it might not be socialist enough for the muppet show on Labours front bench
slow_poke said:
Time for the EU, especially Ireland, to face up to the reality that the British Govt can't deliver on the promises and assurances already made since negotiations began. It may be time they cut the UK loose to a hardest of Brexits and let them get on with it until such time there's a strong and stable BritGov that can deliver what it promises and then talk about future relationships.
Which is where the logic falls down a bit, because if their main concern is the NI border, letting the talks fail will mean simply trading on WTO terms over that border.As far as I am aware all other aspects of the withdrawal agreement were agreed.
JagLover said:
Which is where the logic falls down a bit, because if their main concern is the NI border, letting the talks fail will mean simply trading on WTO terms over that border.
As far as I am aware all other aspects of the withdrawal agreement were agreed.
Nothing is agreed until it’s all agreed. As far as I am aware all other aspects of the withdrawal agreement were agreed.
Saw this and thought I would share:
LEAVER: I want an omelette.
REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.
LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]
REMAINER: They’re in the cake.
LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.
REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.
LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.
REMAINER: Icing is good.
LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.
DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.
DAVID CAMERON: OK.
DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.
LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?
REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.
LEAVER: Well, get them out.
EU: It’s our cake.
JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.
REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?
LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.
REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?
LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.
THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.
REMAINER: How?
THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.
REMAINER: Yeah, but…
LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.
EU: It’s our cake.
REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.
LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.
REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.
LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.
REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?
LEAVER: You lost, get over it.
THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.
REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?
THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.
REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?
JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.
EU: It’s our cake.
LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.
REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.
LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.
REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.
LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.
LEAVER: I want an omelette.
REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.
LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]
REMAINER: They’re in the cake.
LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.
REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.
LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.
REMAINER: Icing is good.
LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.
DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.
DAVID CAMERON: OK.
DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.
LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?
REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.
LEAVER: Well, get them out.
EU: It’s our cake.
JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.
REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?
LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.
REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?
LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.
THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.
REMAINER: How?
THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.
REMAINER: Yeah, but…
LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.
EU: It’s our cake.
REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.
LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.
REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.
LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.
REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?
LEAVER: You lost, get over it.
THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.
REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?
THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.
REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?
JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.
EU: It’s our cake.
LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.
REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.
LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.
REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.
LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.
slow_poke said:
Time for the EU, especially Ireland, to face up to the reality that the British Govt can't deliver on the promises and assurances already made since negotiations began. It may be time they cut the UK loose to a hardest of Brexits and let them get on with it until such time there's a strong and stable BritGov that can deliver what it promises and then talk about future relationships.
In the absence of an overall deal we should aim for negotiation in good faith on an issue by issue basis. The risk really is that the EU play silly-buggers over all sorts of stuff just to make some daft point.Fortunately their now-found solidarity with Ireland (Apple tax-aside) would limit their ability to arse about for too long. Once Boris has introduced a transit tax on goods passing through the UK, Leo will be testing that solidarity to the limit. NI shops near the border will do a roaring trade once the EU find a way to open the border again.
:-)
You make a cake with eggs, but when you have made your cake there are no eggs in it.
When you put things into the EU, those things still exist if you want to take them out. They aren't transmuted into something else as eggs are when you bake a cake.
Even thick racist leavers understand that.
Have you noticed that none of your analogies bear any resemblance to the world you portend to be describing?
When you put things into the EU, those things still exist if you want to take them out. They aren't transmuted into something else as eggs are when you bake a cake.
Even thick racist leavers understand that.
Have you noticed that none of your analogies bear any resemblance to the world you portend to be describing?
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