How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
gooner1 said:
Are you suggesting we supply a border for the ROI and the EU?
No.My suggestion is that we leave NI in the EU (or the SM/CU) and actively promote for UK companies who need/want an EU branch.
Think of it as the opposite of a "free port"
"Come here if you want to be strangled by red tape."
All sorts of companies are doing it and choosing EU cities to do so. With a bit of foresight they could have chosen Belfast. Those who want to do so in future still could.
They'd be s
tting money within a few years and Arlene Foster grandson would marry Gerry Adams's nephew and they would all run off into the sunset with daisies in their hair.Ghibli said:
Except the EU will have all of its agreements with the rest of the world in the event of a no deal Brexit. They just won't have any with the Uk.
They still represent the people's interests.
What agreements exactly are you referring to?They still represent the people's interests.
Why does a guy in the USA want to buy a BMW for example?
The EU offers no-one anything, it's just a ball and chain. Nothing more.
desolate said:
gooner1 said:
Are you suggesting we supply a border for the ROI and the EU?
No.My suggestion is that we leave NI in the EU (or the SM/CU) and actively promote for UK companies who need/want an EU branch.
Think of it as the opposite of a "free port"
"Come here if you want to be strangled by red tape."
All sorts of companies are doing it and choosing EU cities to do so. With a bit of foresight they could have chosen Belfast. Those who want to do so in future still could.
They'd be s
tting money within a few years and Arlene Foster grandson would marry Gerry Adams's nephew and they would all run off into the sunset with daisies in their hair.Ghibli said:
KrissKross said:
I don't understand why literally no one is capable of explaining what "deals" and "trade" people actually need.
Politicians are incapable of handling these topics, they are not business people and have no capacity to understand when they have never created anything in their lives.
If we discussed which smarmy bureaucrat is going to steal less tax from you, that would be a better way to approach this subject. They can only discuss what they are going to "take", neither side has anything productive to offer.
The EU negotiate trade deals, the UK don't yet.Politicians are incapable of handling these topics, they are not business people and have no capacity to understand when they have never created anything in their lives.
If we discussed which smarmy bureaucrat is going to steal less tax from you, that would be a better way to approach this subject. They can only discuss what they are going to "take", neither side has anything productive to offer.
The EU only negotiates how much it's going to steal from its citizens, there is no other purpose for it than this.
gooner1 said:
Ghibli said:
I keep being told that I have been told by PH dream team leave.
Sit down chap, you're clearly over wrought.Poor chap had a meltdown earlier today, he got quite 'scrambled' apparently.
The salmonella has developed into hysteria and hyperbole
KrissKross said:
What agreements exactly are you referring to?
Why does a guy in the USA want to buy a BMW for example?
The EU offers no-one anything, it's just a ball and chain. Nothing more.
The trade agreements that we will be leaving if we have no deal.Why does a guy in the USA want to buy a BMW for example?
The EU offers no-one anything, it's just a ball and chain. Nothing more.
What does the UK offer anyone?
KrissKross said:
I sell products all over the world, not once has the EU or the UK government ever helped me, they just get in the way.
The EU only negotiates how much it's going to steal from its citizens, there is no other purpose for it than this.
Are you saying that FTA make no difference.The EU only negotiates how much it's going to steal from its citizens, there is no other purpose for it than this.
Ghibli said:
Tuna, it is clear that PH options don't relate to the negotiations.
PH team leave have their own version of the negotiations.
It's really generous of you to save me time by just reposting the same nonsense again and again - I can just post the response from the last time you said this, along with the question you avoided answering:PH team leave have their own version of the negotiations.
Tuna said:
For about the fifth time in as many pages in going to have to explain to you that PH is not running the negotiations.
I can't speak for the other posters on here, but the point being made is that the compromise is one to be negotiated and that there are options out there that don't break either the EU or the UK.
Seriously, how many times do you have to be told something before you understand it?I can't speak for the other posters on here, but the point being made is that the compromise is one to be negotiated and that there are options out there that don't break either the EU or the UK.
Just because May has gone down one path, doesn't mean it's the only option. The final outcome is quite likely to be very different from the Chequers proposal as it currently stands - especially as the EU, Leavers, Labour and the DUP all say it's unacceptable. Which is a pity for you as I know you'd prefer 'BRINO' if you can't get to Remain.
Tuna said:
You still haven't explained how much the Chequers customs proposal will cost or how much time it will take to implement. The reason I'm pushing you on this is that the only reason for such an unnecessarily expensive and complicated solution is that May has allowed NI to drive the negotiations.
I think that's a bad idea. I also believe some people hope that it can't be solved so we have to abandon Brexit. NI is not an impossible problem unless we allow it to be so.
I think that's a bad idea. I also believe some people hope that it can't be solved so we have to abandon Brexit. NI is not an impossible problem unless we allow it to be so.
Ghibli said:
KrissKross said:
What agreements exactly are you referring to?
Why does a guy in the USA want to buy a BMW for example?
The EU offers no-one anything, it's just a ball and chain. Nothing more.
The trade agreements that we will be leaving if we have no deal.Why does a guy in the USA want to buy a BMW for example?
The EU offers no-one anything, it's just a ball and chain. Nothing more.
What does the UK offer anyone?
The UK is just a country, individuals & companies offer things to trade with.
For example, if your "things" are rubbish you have nothing to trade with.
A country does not trade with another country.
The only thing we can leave is one tax for another, better or worse we are yet to find out.
desolate said:
Sway said:
That approach absolutely is breaching the integrity of the Single Market and Customs Union...
Why?Northern Ireland in it.
Mainland Britain out of it, as hard as peado at a school swimming gala.
Ghibli said:
would that mean the border would be down the Irish Sea?
Isn't that what Barnier is suggesting
Yes, you're right. Isn't that what Barnier is suggesting
This is how I've come to that conclusion.
1. Barnier suggested we need to move away from confrontational language (aka, the word border amongst others) to help drive the solution forward
2. GB leaving EU and NI having special arrangements works for the EU, T May, her party, Eire and a lot of the population of N Ireland (quite likely, a majority too)
3. Issue with this is DUP stance and possibly Scotland, depending on final arrangements.
4. In light of point 3, T May needs to dress this up. NI citizens still use Sterling, still travel to GB as normal, still governed by UK law and all those things that say, yes, you are very much part of the Union.
5. The bits where you are not part of the Union (special NI status) is of benefit to the citizens so as to underline the fact that NI is part of the Union but with special exemptions, which benefit NI.
6. Teresa May has 'hinted' that this is where we are headed.
7. Watch this short video, particularly Nigel Dodds (DUP Brexit negotiator) reaction once T May starts speaking in house of commons yesterday. She has a Fruedian slip possibly, saying UK leaving the UK (actually thinking NI partly leaving UK?) but besides that, at the very end, she mentions a 'best of both worlds' for NI business, like Barnier implied, without actually using that phrase.
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Ghibli said:
KrissKross said:
What agreements exactly are you referring to?
Why does a guy in the USA want to buy a BMW for example?
The EU offers no-one anything, it's just a ball and chain. Nothing more.
The trade agreements that we will be leaving if we have no deal.Why does a guy in the USA want to buy a BMW for example?
The EU offers no-one anything, it's just a ball and chain. Nothing more.
What does the UK offer anyone?
You really are a clown
Ghibli said:
KrissKross said:
Ghibli said:
As for the UK wanting the best deal for the people, that doesn't seem to matter anymore.
The UK is not being represented.The Politicians (on both sides) care about themselves and their future careers.
No one in these "negotiations" is representing the people's interests.
They still represent the people's interests.
Tuna said:
Ghibli said:
Tuna, it is clear that PH options don't relate to the negotiations.
PH team leave have their own version of the negotiations.
It's really generous of you to save me time by just reposting the same nonsense again and again - I can just post the response from the last time you said this, along with the question you avoided answering:PH team leave have their own version of the negotiations.
Tuna said:
For about the fifth time in as many pages in going to have to explain to you that PH is not running the negotiations.
I can't speak for the other posters on here, but the point being made is that the compromise is one to be negotiated and that there are options out there that don't break either the EU or the UK.
Seriously, how many times do you have to be told something before you understand it?I can't speak for the other posters on here, but the point being made is that the compromise is one to be negotiated and that there are options out there that don't break either the EU or the UK.
Just because May has gone down one path, doesn't mean it's the only option. The final outcome is quite likely to be very different from the Chequers proposal as it currently stands - especially as the EU, Leavers, Labour and the DUP all say it's unacceptable. Which is a pity for you as I know you'd prefer 'BRINO' if you can't get to Remain.
Tuna said:
You still haven't explained how much the Chequers customs proposal will cost or how much time it will take to implement. The reason I'm pushing you on this is that the only reason for such an unnecessarily expensive and complicated solution is that May has allowed NI to drive the negotiations.
I think that's a bad idea. I also believe some people hope that it can't be solved so we have to abandon Brexit. NI is not an impossible problem unless we allow it to be so.
I think that's a bad idea. I also believe some people hope that it can't be solved so we have to abandon Brexit. NI is not an impossible problem unless we allow it to be so.
Ghibli said:
The trade agreements that we will be leaving if we have no deal.
What does the UK offer anyone?
You know that moving to no deal will have virtually no effect on countries wishing to import from us? Tell me what exactly the trade agreements we will be leaving will do to our exports?What does the UK offer anyone?
Oh... and we're world leaders in the automotive sector, financial services, technology and software, biotech and scientific research, education, media and publishing and a whole bunch of other industries. That's quite a good offer for anyone who wants to trade with us.
Ghibli said:
Ok. If you don't want to discuss the actual negotiations feel free to make your own up.
How many times have I asked you a direct question about the negotiation and you've avoided answering?How many times have you actually commented on the detail of the negotiations, rather than making blanket statements?
I regularly post about the actual negotiations, in between dealing with your trolling. If you don't start doing the same, I'll be happy to discuss your behaviour with the mods.
KrissKross said:
You are not making sense.
The UK is just a country, individuals & companies offer things to trade with.
For example, if your "things" are rubbish you have nothing to trade with.
A country does not trade with another country.
The only thing we can leave is one tax for another, better or worse we are yet to find out.
If we end up with WTO it's probably not going to be as good as EU FTAs.The UK is just a country, individuals & companies offer things to trade with.
For example, if your "things" are rubbish you have nothing to trade with.
A country does not trade with another country.
The only thing we can leave is one tax for another, better or worse we are yet to find out.
Whether we get better deals at a later date remains to be seen.
Sway said:
If the complaint against a facilitated technical border is that it breaches the integrity of the SM/CU - then having a part of the UK within the SM/CU (and, as per your sentiment, actively competing with EU nations under those circumstances) absolutely will not be agreed by the EU.
Fair enough then.I think it would be good for us as a nation, good for Northern Ireland and good for Ireland.
The EU seem up for no border on the Island.
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