Good Prime Ministers we never had

Good Prime Ministers we never had

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StevieBee

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12,879 posts

255 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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By way of expanding the Good Prime Ministers thread, what politicians have there been that would have made good ones but never had the chance?

I always thought Michael Heseltine had the gravitas and chutzpah to be a good one.

And by way of balance, whilst not my politics, I did have a lot of respect for Tony Benn and thought he'd make a decent leader.


wc98

10,391 posts

140 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Ian Clarke the ex chief executive of the Shetland Islands council was an exceptional individual that i think would have made a good prime minister. John Smith another with the added bonus he was a known quantity as a parliamentarian.

Jockman

17,917 posts

160 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Mo?

ClaphamGT3

11,300 posts

243 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Michael Heseltine was an incredibly flakey politician with no track record of achieving anything, despite an unusually long political career. He also managed to go from 'impetuous young turk' to 'old fogey' with an incredibly short period of 'in his prime-ness'. I like Michael a lot and he is extremely knowledgeable and sensible in a number of areas but he would have been a terrible PM.

William Hague could have been very good although he came to the leadership of the Tory party far too young.

Jack Straw could have been an effective labour MP

It would be interesting to see how either RAB Butler or Quintin Hogg would have fared compared to Alec Douglas-Home in 1963-4

prand

5,915 posts

196 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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I always thought WIlliam Hague should have been given a chance, he was Leader of Conservatives, perhaps too young and not in the best position to challenge Blair after the nation tired of the Tories.

He certainly seemed a really solid Foreign Secretary fro Cameron, was a good speaker/debater and a reliable cabinet minister. To me, always spoke sense and could stand up for himself. IN recent times he certainly is the sort of politician we need a lot more of.

However from an early peak (leader of the party at 36) I wonder if the kind of revelations, such as the relationship with his male "advisor" was too much of a skeleton in the cupboard to get the top job.

His cringey attempts at trying to be one of the people (drinking 14 pints by lunchtime) probably didn't endear him either.

Eric Mc

122,006 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Rab Butler is often mentioned as a PM we should have had.

Also, Hugh Gaitskell from Labour and possibly John Smith.

king arthur

6,565 posts

261 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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John Smith. Just consider this - had he not passed away, we may not have had Tony Blair.

Fermit and Sarah

12,929 posts

100 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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I suspect that had David Miliband become Labour leader that he may have got in the time before last. As to if he'd make a good PM is anyones guess, but I really wasn't a Fan of Call me Dave and Gideon.

I agree RE John Smith, I rated him personally.

Murph7355

37,708 posts

256 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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king arthur said:
John Smith. Just consider this - had he not passed away, we may not have had Tony Blair.
This.

I am not a Labour supporter, generally, but this guy might have made things better across the board. None of Blair's slime, but creating a genuine force for the Conservatives to man up against.

Jockman

17,917 posts

160 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Murph7355 said:
king arthur said:
John Smith. Just consider this - had he not passed away, we may not have had Tony Blair.
This.

I am not a Labour supporter, generally, but this guy might have made things better across the board. None of Blair's slime, but creating a genuine force for the Conservatives to man up against.
Smith never possessed the charisma of Blair. Unlikely he would have been as electable.

Conservatives under John Major in 1997 were imploding and were in no position to man up against a paper tissue. You’re forgetting how devastatingly effective New Labour were in targeting the centre ground.

s2art

18,937 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Surely Enoch Powell should be in the list.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Me. There would have been a lot of floggings, but Britain would be all the better for it.

ClaphamGT3

11,300 posts

243 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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s2art said:
Surely Enoch Powell should be in the list.

TaylotS2K

1,964 posts

207 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Farage.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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ClaphamGT3 said:
Michael Heseltine was an incredibly flakey politician with no track record of achieving anything, despite an unusually long political career. He also managed to go from 'impetuous young turk' to 'old fogey' with an incredibly short period of 'in his prime-ness'...
Weirdly my scouse father in law and old school Labour type thinks he's the nuts and credits him with the regeneration of Liverpool in defiance of the Government of which he was a part. He was recently given the freedom of the City. A Tory MP being given the freedom of Liverpool by a Labour council! He had a heart attack in 1993 which took the wind out of his sails otherwise I think he would have easily beaten the series of lightweights to PM that we've had since. Still that doesn't mean he would have been any good...

WelshChris

1,176 posts

254 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Always rated Chris Patten myself - Could have made a good PM.

FredericRobinson

3,694 posts

232 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Jockman said:
Smith never possessed the charisma of Blair. Unlikely he would have been as electable.
He'd probably have got a smaller majority than Blair, but that's no bad thing, big majorities let politicians get carried away with themselves

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Jockman said:
Mo?
Very principled which is why she missed out imo.

But her or Smith would have been good I think

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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TaylotS2K said:
Farage.
Lmao

Murph7355

37,708 posts

256 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Jockman said:
Smith never possessed the charisma of Blair. Unlikely he would have been as electable.

Conservatives under John Major in 1997 were imploding and were in no position to man up against a paper tissue. You’re forgetting how devastatingly effective New Labour were in targeting the centre ground.
I think Smith would have gained support without the slime that surrounded Blair.

Blair was undoubtedly effective in winning elections, but that's not to say nobody else couldn't have been, and possibly without the downsides. It's also not to say that Blair was good for the country (though he was undoubtedly good for Blair).

Sadly I suspect we're a bit stuck with politics at the moment and probably have been since Thatcher's day.

Maybe what the country actually needs is someone like McDonnell in the hot seat, an anti-Thatcher. Blow out the cobwebs for a bit and reset.

The downside with that idea being the amount of damage McDonnell would definitely do even in one term smile

I'm not sure middle ground politics is actually healthy with respect to resolving some of the major problems this country has to face over the next few decades (NHS, state pensions, state benefits etc). Politicians across Europe seem to have become adept at one thing only - can kicking.