The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

Not surprising is it, May has been thwarting Brexit since taking office, it'a shame it took so long for May to admit it when she revealed her true colours in July, and you to finally admit it.

So you are not happy with the Brexit you voted for and not happy with the Prime Minister that you voted for.

Let's hope your holiday goes better.

[don'tbesilly]

Ghibli said:

don'tbesilly said:

Not surprising is it, May has been thwarting Brexit since taking office, it'a shame it took so long for May to admit it when she revealed her true colours in July, and you to finally admit it.

So you are not happy with the Brexit you voted for and not happy with the Prime Minister that you voted for.

Let's hope your holiday goes better.

Thanks, May won't spoil it whatever the outcome.

Next

[gooner1]

rigga said:

gooner1 said:

Sorry Budgie, I seem to have missed your apology for today's mistake,
could you point me to which page it was on? Ta.

Good luck with that ....

I always try to see the best in people rigga, though truth be told( )I'm often dissapointed.

[B'stard Child]

gooner1 said:

rigga said:

gooner1 said:

Sorry Budgie, I seem to have missed your apology for today's mistake,
could you point me to which page it was on? Ta.

Good luck with that ....

I always try to see the best in people rigga, though truth be told( )I'm often dissapointed.

It's hard when your natural instinct is to do that but I don't think the failures should change you

[amusingduck]

Helicopter123 said:

Ghibli said:

Earthdweller said:

I agree .. going back in would be:

accepting the Euro and losing the pound

Losing fiscal and policy control

Joining the Schengen zone

Joining the EU Army

Etc etc .. how many of those that bought the remain scaremongering would accept the new revised terms ?

Where is there a copy of the new revised terms? Or is it something else made by PH team leave.

Amazing how the existing deal is becoming so highly prized by some on the leave side.

It's not highly prized. That's your problem.

Our deal is very good relative to a lot of member states.
Our deal is very bad relative to our own criteria.

It's significantly better than average, and significantly worse than it needs to be for us to stay. Your team couldn't even bring themselves to cheerlead our deal - instead having to qualify their positions with things like "best of both worlds" and such

[amusingduck]

Tuna said:

Tuna said:

Helicopter123 said:

Chequers is worse, but far preferable to only other outcome now, the disasterous no deal Brexit.

If you want to convince me, you need to explain what the Chequers customs processing proposal is. I know you can't, and won't, but just showing you understand what it is you're talking about would be nice.

Oh, and if you can justify having to follow EU regulation whilst vacating the seat on the committee(s) that decide those regulations, I'll be really impressed.

What's probably the most frustrating part of this discussion is that the Remainiacs make random assertions which in places are shown to be outright lies, and in places are just unsubstantiated brain farts.

When called out on these, they just ignore that part of the conversation and move on to other 'fake news'.

I'd like to believe the Remain campaign had some honesty, that there were genuine reasons for staying in the EU. But the 'ambassadors' on here lie, distort or simply ignore basic verifiable information just so they can continue to argue their religious convictions.

How can a second Referendum have any validity whatsoever, when the people calling for it wouldn't recognise the truth if it slapped them in the face?

This isn't just aimed at Heli. Trolleys, Piha and a bunch of others just seem to have a tenuous grasp on reality. It's depressing that these people are distorting political debate so badly. It's not that I need or want them to have a particular political leaning, or even support Brexit. I'd just like them to stop bullstting when there are some genuine points worth discussing here.

Good Post.

You are killing it lately

[Helicopter123]

amusingduck said:

Helicopter123 said:

Ghibli said:

Earthdweller said:

I agree .. going back in would be:

accepting the Euro and losing the pound

Losing fiscal and policy control

Joining the Schengen zone

Joining the EU Army

Etc etc .. how many of those that bought the remain scaremongering would accept the new revised terms ?

Where is there a copy of the new revised terms? Or is it something else made by PH team leave.

Amazing how the existing deal is becoming so highly prized by some on the leave side.

It's not highly prized. That's your problem.

Our deal is very good relative to a lot of member states.
Our deal is very bad relative to our own criteria.

It's significantly better than average, and significantly worse than it needs to be for us to stay. Your team couldn't even bring themselves to cheerlead our deal - instead having to qualify their positions with things like "best of both worlds" and such

So why do you want to swap a deal that is significantly better than average (your words) for chequers? How is chequers better than what we already have?

Edited by Helicopter123 on Wednesday 14th November 08:09

[Sa Calobra]

We've already had the people's vote.

Why are they calling for 'the people's vote'. What was the referendum?

Why do remainers and newspaper trolls bleet so much?

[PRTVR]

Helicopter123 said:

So why do you want to swap a deal that is significantly better than average (your words) for chequers? How is chequers better than what we already have?

Edited by Helicopter123 on Wednesday 14th November 08:09

The problem is you need to change the concept of " what we already have" what we have is a possibility of leaving without a deal,this should be your default starting position.

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

amusingduck said:

Helicopter123 said:

Ghibli said:

Earthdweller said:

I agree .. going back in would be:

accepting the Euro and losing the pound

Losing fiscal and policy control

Joining the Schengen zone

Joining the EU Army

Etc etc .. how many of those that bought the remain scaremongering would accept the new revised terms ?

Where is there a copy of the new revised terms? Or is it something else made by PH team leave.

Amazing how the existing deal is becoming so highly prized by some on the leave side.

It's not highly prized. That's your problem.

Our deal is very good relative to a lot of member states.
Our deal is very bad relative to our own criteria.

It's significantly better than average, and significantly worse than it needs to be for us to stay. Your team couldn't even bring themselves to cheerlead our deal - instead having to qualify their positions with things like "best of both worlds" and such

So why do you want to swap a deal that is significantly better than average (your words) for chequers? How is chequers better than what we already have?

Edited by Helicopter123 on Wednesday 14th November 08:09

You're that dense to think that anyone who voted Leave ever supported the Chequers proposal?

Just watching the news this morning it's quite clear that regardless of the Cabinet meeting, and whether there are resignations or not, it won't get the support required to get the deal past the HoC.

Just a quick scan of any media source can tell you this, no?

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

You're that dense to think that anyone who voted Leave ever supported the Chequers proposal?

Just watching the news this morning it's quite clear that regardless of the Cabinet meeting, and whether there are resignations or not, it won't get the support required to get the deal past the HoC.

Just a quick scan of any media source can tell you this, no?

Didn't 17 million people vote for what the Goverment has put together for them?

If not, what did they vote for.

[p1stonhead]

Ghibli said:

don'tbesilly said:

You're that dense to think that anyone who voted Leave ever supported the Chequers proposal?

Just watching the news this morning it's quite clear that regardless of the Cabinet meeting, and whether there are resignations or not, it won't get the support required to get the deal past the HoC.

Just a quick scan of any media source can tell you this, no?

Didn't 17 million people vote for what the Goverment has put together for them?

If not, what did they vote for.

They voted for exactly that seeing as nothing was defined.

[Helicopter123]

don'tbesilly said:

You're that dense to think that anyone who voted Leave ever supported the Chequers proposal?

Just watching the news this morning it's quite clear that regardless of the Cabinet meeting, and whether there are resignations or not, it won't get the support required to get the deal past the HoC.

Just a quick scan of any media source can tell you this, no?

Please stop the personal insults.

I’m amused that Gove et al seem happy to support chequers. Why do you think that is? Maybe they realise that it’s not as good as the deal we already have?

Do you agree?

[Sa Calobra]

We voted knowing that there could be no deal on the table.

What will annoy me is the EU has open fishing access to UK waters.

Small fish in the grand scheme of things but I think it's important.

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

You're that dense to think that anyone who voted Leave ever supported the Chequers proposal?

Just watching the news this morning it's quite clear that regardless of the Cabinet meeting, and whether there are resignations or not, it won't get the support required to get the deal past the HoC.

Just a quick scan of any media source can tell you this, no?

Please stop the personal insults.

I’m amused that Gove et al seem happy to support chequers. Why do you think that is? Maybe they realise that it’s not as good as the deal we already have?

Do you agree?

The Cabinet meeting scheduled for 14.00 today has already happened?
The Cabinet have signed off on May's deal already?

The proposed deal is not as good as the one we had back in June 2016, and no longer exists.
Jo Johnson has stated, and categorically, that the proposed deal is worse than the one that existed back in June 2016.

One of the reasons Jo Johnson abandoned his Prime Minister by resigning iwhilst condemning May's plan, and would vote against May's plan, yet here you are demanding people back May despite your hero Jo Johnson abandoning her, why are you not condemning him.

Why will the deal never get past the HoC?

[Helicopter123]

don'tbesilly said:

The Cabinet meeting scheduled for 14.00 today has already happened?
The Cabinet have signed off on May's deal already?

The proposed deal is not as good as the one we had back in June 2016, and no longer exists.
Jo Johnson has stated, and categorically, that the proposed deal is worse than the one that existed back in June 2016.

One of the reasons Jo Johnson abandoned his Prime Minister by resigning iwhilst condemning May's plan, and would vote against May's plan, yet here you are demanding people back May despite your hero Jo Johnson abandoning her, why are you not condemning him.

Why will the deal never get past the HoC?

Many MPs will recognise it’s not as good as the one we already have. The loss of sovereignty is particularly alarming. Let’s ‘take back control’ and stick with our EU membership.

[gizlaroc]

Helicopter123 said:

Many MPs will recognise it’s not as good as the one we already have. The loss of sovereignty is particularly alarming. Let’s ‘take back control’ and stick with our EU membership.

It will be voted down and she can say “we leave with no deal, I tried.”

Perfect.

The EU will then have to move quickly to offer something so the EU businesses don’t crucify them.

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

The Cabinet meeting scheduled for 14.00 today has already happened?
The Cabinet have signed off on May's deal already?

The proposed deal is not as good as the one we had back in June 2016, and no longer exists.
Jo Johnson has stated, and categorically, that the proposed deal is worse than the one that existed back in June 2016.

One of the reasons Jo Johnson abandoned his Prime Minister by resigning iwhilst condemning May's plan, and would vote against May's plan, yet here you are demanding people back May despite your hero Jo Johnson abandoning her, why are you not condemning him.

Why will the deal never get past the HoC?

Many MPs will recognise it’s not as good as the one we already have. The loss of sovereignty is particularly alarming. Let’s ‘take back control’ and stick with our EU membership.

The EU membership that existed as of 22nd June 2016 no longer exists, the EU stated it would cease if the UK voted to leave the EU on the 23rd June 2016.

Once we know the terms of the 'new' relationship the EU would offer the UK were there a decision to remain as a member I'd support a 2nd referendum.

Bring it on, I'll look forward to a bigger majority to leave the EU in a vote to settle the argument once and for all.

[Sa Calobra]

Hague has hinted on the news that it'll be 'frictionless borders', own decision on immigration etc etc with a firmer deal on customs union in a few years.

[anonymous-user]

gizlaroc said:

It will be voted down and she can say “we leave with no deal, I tried.”

Perfect.

The EU will then have to move quickly to offer something so the EU businesses don’t crucify them.

Personally I don't know which way it's going to go but I do know that the game of call my bluff is officially over.

The EU are still in a better position for business around the world and the EU because they aren't leaving anything.