The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

[psi310398]

Hot off the press:

Only 8% of British voters support the idea of having a second referendum, according to the latest poll by YouGov. Added them to the people who wanted to stop Brexit by other means, and only 36% of voters would like to see the result of the referendum reversed.

Adding together the different Brexit options sees 46% of voters in favour of EU withdrawal.

Second referendum anybody?

[Tryke3]

psi310398 said:

The EU has no money of its own - it money from MS taxpayers or more accurately certain MS taxpayers. As the UK is, and always has been, a net contributor, you are talking about our money.

Infrastructure - UK taxpayers' money - a small part of which sent back to the UK
Peace in Europe - NATO not EU
SME - UK taxpayers' money - a small part of which sent back to the UK
Liverpool - UK taxpayers' money - a small part of which sent back to the UK
Wales - UK taxpayers' money - a small part of which sent back to the UK

Except most of the money in the eu budget comes from tarrifs . Really dislike idiots

[psi310398]

Tryke3 said:

Except most of the money in the eu budget comes from tarrifs . Really dislike idiots

Which are taxes raised by MS. Really dislike idiots

[Crackie]

psi310398 said:

Tryke3 said:

Except most of the money in the eu budget comes from tarrifs . Really dislike idiots

Which are taxes raised by MS. Really dislike idiots

Its also pretty idiotic for Tryke3 to claim that tarrifs are where most of the money in the EU budget comes from when in fact the largest source is GNI payments. According to the EU anyway.

http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/budg_system/f...

If Tryke3 really doesn't like idiots I would imagine he/she doesn't like mirrors much either.

[don'tbesilly]

Crackie said:

psi310398 said:

Tryke3 said:

Except most of the money in the eu budget comes from tarrifs . Really dislike idiots

Which are taxes raised by MS. Really dislike idiots

Its also pretty idiotic for Tryke3 to claim that tarrifs are where most of the money in the EU budget comes from when in fact the largest source is GNI payments. According to the EU anyway.

http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/budg_system/f...

If Tryke3 really doesn't like idiots I would imagine he/she doesn't like mirrors much either.

Tryke 3 has needed stabilisers for months, probably years.

[Trophy Husband]

psi310398 said:

Hot off the press:

Only 8% of British voters support the idea of having a second referendum, according to the latest poll by YouGov. Added them to the people who wanted to stop Brexit by other means, and only 36% of voters would like to see the result of the referendum reversed.

Adding together the different Brexit options sees 46% of voters in favour of EU withdrawal.

Second referendum anybody?

But what is the 46% made up of?

I'd surmise that a good/bad percentage of the 46% is people who have no clue about the composition of spit, what makes a fart, never mind economics, what affect interest rates have on their lives (because they don't).

We can continue to intellectualise Brexit but unfortunately, (and I have learned a lot from the erudite on both sides), it was never an intellectual decision for those that made the unreal real. It was ideological.

Think Trump as POTUS and you've got the gist of the clusterflook that this is.

I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again. Without the C2DE vote would this be happening at all?

[psi310398]

Trophy Husband said:

But what is the 46% made up of?

I'd surmise that a good/bad percentage of the 46% is people who have no clue about the composition of spit, what makes a fart, never mind economics, what affect interest rates have on their lives (because they don't).

We can continue to intellectualise Brexit but unfortunately, (and I have learned a lot from the erudite on both sides), it was never an intellectual decision for those that made the unreal real. It was ideological.

Think Trump as POTUS and you've got the gist of the clusterflook that this is.

I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again. Without the C2DE vote would this be happening at all?

Presumably the 46% have votes of the same value as yours...

I assume that you are calling into question the universal franchise. Perhaps ladies are too delicate to trouble themselves, as well? Bring back a property qualification?

Edited by psi310398 on Friday 16th November 17:15

[don'tbesilly]

psi310398 said:

Hot off the press:

Only 8% of British voters support the idea of having a second referendum, according to the latest poll by YouGov. Added them to the people who wanted to stop Brexit by other means, and only 36% of voters would like to see the result of the referendum reversed.

Adding together the different Brexit options sees 46% of voters in favour of EU withdrawal.

Second referendum anybody?

Budgie won't like that at all, he'll dislike it so much he'll read it and immediately discount it as Leave rubbish.

The only polls that matter and should be taken with any credibility are polls from the same source but with the opposite findings.

[Trophy Husband]

psi310398 said:

Trophy Husband said:

But what is the 46% made up of?

I'd surmise that a good/bad percentage of the 46% is people who have no clue about the composition of spit, what makes a fart, never mind economics, what affect interest rates have on their lives (because they don't).

We can continue to intellectualise Brexit but unfortunately, (and I have learned a lot from the erudite on both sides), it was never an intellectual decision for those that made the unreal real. It was ideological.

Think Trump as POTUS and you've got the gist of the clusterflook that this is.

I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again. Without the C2DE vote would this be happening at all?

Presumably the 46% have votes of the same value as yours...

I assume that you are calling into question the universal franchise. Perhaps ladies are too delicate to trouble themselves, as well? Bring back a property qualification?

Edited by psi310398 on Friday 16th November 17:15

Forget the universal franchise just for a moment and answer the simple question which is where do you think we would be now without the C2DE vote? It is very important in relation to where we are as a nation in a sociodemographic sense.

Simple question.

I already have a good feel for the honest answer.

It is your choice whether to be honest.

[Helicopter123]

Latest Poll

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/first-pol...

48% in favour of a second Poll, 34% against.

54/46 margin for Remain.

YouGov interviewed 1,153 people in Great Britain on November 14 and 15, 2018

Time for a Peoples's Vote.

[psi310398]

Trophy Husband said:

Forget the universal franchise just for a moment and answer the simple question which is where do you think we would be now without the C2DE vote? It is very important in relation to where we are as a nation in a sociodemographic sense.

Simple question.

I already have a good feel for the honest answer.

It is your choice whether to be honest.

Off the top of my head I can't quote chapter and verse, but if I recall Ashcroft correctly the Leave/Remain split was AB group backing Remain by the high 50s to Leave's low 40s (so not as an emphatic indicator as university degree for example), while the C2DEs were almost two-thirds in favour of quitting. But, there were other interesting cross-issues - those who owned their homes outright voted to Leave by a bigger margin than the overall figure, while those who rented or had mortgages were almost the mirror image. Around two thirds of council and housing association tenants voted to Leave IIRC.

[anonymous-user]

Trophy Husband said:

But what is the 46% made up of?

I'd surmise that a good/bad percentage of the 46% is people who have no clue about the composition of spit, what makes a fart, never mind economics, what affect interest rates have on their lives (because they don't).

We can continue to intellectualise Brexit but unfortunately, (and I have learned a lot from the erudite on both sides), it was never an intellectual decision for those that made the unreal real. It was ideological.

Think Trump as POTUS and you've got the gist of the clusterflook that this is.

I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again. Without the C2DE vote would this be happening at all?

No one's interested in a analysis of the 2016 referendum anymore, it's done, it's over.
People who voted Remain should vent their spleen towards the politicians who did not address people's concerns, it's as simple as that.

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

Latest Poll

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/first-pol...

48% in favour of a second Poll, 34% against.

54/46 margin for Remain.

YouGov interviewed 1,153 people in Great Britain on November 14 and 15, 2018

Time for a Peoples's Vote.

You need to tell May, she said there wouldn't be one at least 6 times in the HoC yesterday, and again in the subsequent PC.

Keep it up though.

[bitchstewie]

don'tbesilly said:

You need to tell May, she said there wouldn't be one at least 6 times in the HoC yesterday, and again in the subsequent PC.

Keep it up though.

Just out of interest how many times has she also said "No deal is better than a bad deal"?

It seems strange to say she's broken her pledges on one issue yet take her at her word on the other.

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

You need to tell May, she said there wouldn't be one at least 6 times in the HoC yesterday, and again in the subsequent PC.

Keep it up though.

She also said the deal that she has put together is what we are getting.

[Helicopter123]

Possible sighting of Sidicks

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...

Leave Voter Breaks Into Tears As He Apologises For Backing Brexit

I'm sure many others will be thinking the same.

[otis criblecoblis]

Helicopter123 said:

Latest Poll

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/first-pol...

48% in favour of a second Poll, 34% against.

54/46 margin for Remain.

YouGov interviewed 1,153 people in Great Britain on November 14 and 15, 2018

Time for a Peoples's Vote.

Even at it's worst point , you still only get 54% for remain ? After 2 and a bit years of trying desperately to either wreck or overturn the vote, you've shifted 6% ?
It's a pity Remain spent so much time and effort ensuring a second vote was never going to be an option, or it might not look so silly now to ask for one.

[Helicopter123]

otis criblecoblis said:

Helicopter123 said:

Latest Poll

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/first-pol...

48% in favour of a second Poll, 34% against.

54/46 margin for Remain.

YouGov interviewed 1,153 people in Great Britain on November 14 and 15, 2018

Time for a Peoples's Vote.

Even at it's worst point , you still only get 54% for remain ? After 2 and a bit years of trying desperately to either wreck or overturn the vote, you've shifted 6% ?
It's a pity Remain spent so much time and effort ensuring a second vote was never going to be an option, or it might not look so silly now to ask for one.

Focus instead on the will of the people, which clearly now demands a say. Who knows how a second vote would ultimately end up, but the point is that demand for a Poll has grown very significantly.

[Vanden Saab]

Helicopter123 said:

Latest Poll

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/first-pol...

48% in favour of a second Poll, 34% against.

54/46 margin for Remain.

YouGov interviewed 1,153 people in Great Britain on November 14 and 15, 2018

Time for a Peoples's Vote.

48% in favour of a second poll... 48% voted remain

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

Who knows how a second vote would ultimately end up,

That we will never know so lets just move on now.