Jamie Oliver

[C70R]

Brooking10 said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

"One poster said" Much bks posted on this thread - I wouldn't rely on it.

Mid-market dining is on it's arse - not full to the brim (in this country, on this planet). Which ones aren't struggling?

Wetherspoons booze profits can subsidise food profits.

He did blame himself if you'd watched the TV program.

You may not like him (for whatever reasons) but your analysis doesn't bear scrutiny.

Edited by Roman Rhodes on Thursday 22 August 18:44

Im not suggesting Wetherspoons are the comparison. I said that JO got the same food from the same supplier as JDW

I havent said i like or dislike him. He did crocodile tears on TV. If you believe that you will believe anything. He is however a hypocrite. The constant media storms about obesity, school meal campaigns when his restaurants and receipes are massively unhealthy do nothing for his image

Which ones arent struggling? Carluccio, Waggamma, to name a few.

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 23 August 09:13

Lots of people get some of their food supplied by the same supplier as Wetherspoons including some very high end brands and establishments.

The implication that JORG was buying in substantive parts of its menu as complete meal kits from BB and from the same ranges as JDW is a fallacy and a lazy read across.

Carluccio's still has much to do post shutting approx 25% of its estate.

Wagamama's parent company is in signifiant trouble.

It's a remarkably challenged sector with more distress to come.

This.

Huge swathes of the general public have absolutely no clue how restaurants are run, and make massive leaps of assumption to that end.

Most would probably be horrified to know that they are eating McCain's sweet potato fries at a high-end burger place, rather than something that was lovingly hand-carved and crafted.

[R Mutt]

C70R said:

Again with the "overpriced" stuff. I'm really struggling to understand it.

Starters for £5-7 and mains for £10-15 are marginally more expensive than Harvester or Nando's.

What were these people expecting?

Overpriced for something out the microwave, compared to cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion, and higher end places where you can still get a main for 15 quid.

Applies to all chains of that ilk really. The Ivy is a chain now butt how can you compare that to Jamie's at the same price?

Edited by R Mutt on Friday 23 August 10:58

[Johnnytheboy]

C70R said:

If you think anything sold by McDonald's qualifies as "delicious", you probably have no place on a thread discussing restaurants (failed or otherwise).

Their breakfast sausage things.

No processed meat should taste that good.

[Tyre Smoke]

Johnnytheboy said:

Their breakfast sausage things.

No processed meat should taste that good.

Tesco do them you know. Pork and herb patties. Very easy to do your own S+E muffin that tastes the same as the real thing.

[red_slr]

They are very close. If you poach the egg hard boiled and can find the right cheese you are 95% the way there.

[snuffy]

Johnnytheboy said:

Their breakfast sausage things.

No processed meat should taste that good.

I'm still upset that they no longer do their Big Breakfast and it's quite a few years since they binned those of.

[anonymous-user]

R Mutt said:

C70R said:

Again with the "overpriced" stuff. I'm really struggling to understand it.

Starters for £5-7 and mains for £10-15 are marginally more expensive than Harvester or Nando's.

What were these people expecting?

Overpriced for something out the microwave, compared to cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion, and higher end places where you can still get a main for 15 quid.

Applies to all chains of that ilk really. The Ivy is a chain now butt how can you compare that to Jamie's at the same price?

Edited by R Mutt on Friday 23 August 10:58

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

[pavarotti1980]

Roman Rhodes said:

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

Maybe a locally ran Italian restaurant perhaps?

Somewhere like this which i go to whenever in York http://www.littleitalyrestaurantyork.co.uk/

make the pasta downstairs in the deli, cook it in the restaurant. Prices on par with chains

[R Mutt]

Roman Rhodes said:

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

Well I was responding with comparisons in the £15 main bracket which is supposedly standard.

Literally anywhere.

Name a town

Edited by R Mutt on Friday 23 August 12:48

[anonymous-user]

pavarotti1980 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

Maybe a locally ran Italian restaurant perhaps?

Somewhere like this which i go to whenever in York http://www.littleitalyrestaurantyork.co.uk/

make the pasta downstairs in the deli, cook it in the restaurant. Prices on par with chains

Looks great but isn't cheaper. Not very local either!

[Burwood]

Roman Rhodes said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

Maybe a locally ran Italian restaurant perhaps?

Somewhere like this which i go to whenever in York http://www.littleitalyrestaurantyork.co.uk/

make the pasta downstairs in the deli, cook it in the restaurant. Prices on par with chains

Looks great but isn't cheaper. Not very local either!

http://ilbordello.com

Excellent place in Wapping East London.

[Tyre Smoke]

red_slr said:

They are very close. If you poach the egg hard boiled and can find the right cheese you are 95% the way there.

Shallow ramekin, microwave for 1 min 10 secs

[anonymous-user]

R Mutt said:

Roman Rhodes said:

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

Well I was responding with comparisons in the £15 main bracket which is supposedly standard.

Literally anywhere.

Name a town

Edited by R Mutt on Friday 23 August 12:48

How is it a comparison when it isn't in the £15 bracket?

Yes, there are plenty of non-chain Italian restaurants and plenty of them are ropey. Massive portions is not a sign of quality!

As a random choice try Milton Keynes for a decent Italian!

[Ascayman]

Roman Rhodes said:

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

They will be the next to go, Once the novelty wears off people will realise the food is over priced crap.

The rents they are paying will be huge once people realise they arent actually eating in the ivy and move on to the next must be seen in chain it'll fold like a pack of cards.

[R Mutt]

Roman Rhodes said:

R Mutt said:

Roman Rhodes said:

The Ivy chain is more expensive than Jamies was. Do you believe there was much difference in their food prep/supply methods?

Where are you getting "cheaper authentic Italian with a freshly cooked massive portion"?

Well I was responding with comparisons in the £15 main bracket which is supposedly standard.

Literally anywhere.

Name a town

Edited by R Mutt on Friday 23 August 12:48

How is it a comparison when it isn't in the £15 bracket?

Yes, there are plenty of non-chain Italian restaurants and plenty of them are ropey. Massive portions is not a sign of quality!

As a random choice try Milton Keynes for a decent Italian!

I've seen the menu as one has just opened by work and I was surprised by the price.

Avoiding a game where I give you the link and you point out that the Ivy steak is actually 20 quid, or I show you an Italian in MK and you question the quality of somewhere neither of us has been I'll just say that I stand by my statement and this can be supported by Google, even the subjective matters of ratings.

[pavarotti1980]

Roman Rhodes said:

Looks great but isn't cheaper. Not very local either!

How much roughly was a main in JO's?

Its very local if you live in York and will be replicated in every town and city with great independents. Unless for comparison it has to be a national independent

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 23 August 14:22

[R.Sole]

C70R said:

If you think anything sold by McDonald's qualifies as "delicious", you probably have no place on a thread discussing restaurants (failed or otherwise).

[geeks]

Roman Rhodes said:

As a random choice try Milton Keynes for a decent Italian!

There used to be one but it is long gone now and MK is just chains, which is a shame!

[alfaman]

http://lacantinarestaurant.com/menus.php

example of a good independent Italian.

Often visit when back in the UK

[R Mutt]

Local fave

http://www.trattoriaraffaele.com/