Blasphemy in Pakistan
Discussion
With reference to this story;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46040515
I appreciate the world is a very big place and contains all sorts of cultures influenced by all sorts of history and everyone doesn’t share my Western lefty liberal views, however...calling for the death of members of the Supreme Court? To be honest much of this story horrifies me.
Anyway, it put my s
tty commute into context.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46040515
I appreciate the world is a very big place and contains all sorts of cultures influenced by all sorts of history and everyone doesn’t share my Western lefty liberal views, however...calling for the death of members of the Supreme Court? To be honest much of this story horrifies me.
Anyway, it put my s
tty commute into context.scenario8 said:
...however...calling for the death of members of the Supreme Court?
Yes, makes you so glad we don't have threats issued publicly against senior members of the judiciary here...
Religious freedom is a wonderful thing - the freedom to go against the established state religion. This country used to have similar offences and penalties, of course.
There’s a British connection to this case too. A senior politician, Salman Taseer, in Pakistan spoke out in favour of this lady (and against the blasphemy law in general) and as a result was assassinated by his bodyguard.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-121118...
The bodyguard became a hero to many including the killer of a Glasgow shopkeeper.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-37032419
Lots of hate preachers in Pakistan hero worship the killer of the politician Salman Taseer. Many of these preachers regularly tour mosques up and down the country in Britain.
Controversial Muslim cleric banned in Pakistan is preaching in UK mosques
Pakistani 'hate preacher' who glorifies Islamist murder welcomed by Archbishop of Canterbury
Another politician, a government minister, was killed too for speaking up for this lady.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-126175...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-121118...
The bodyguard became a hero to many including the killer of a Glasgow shopkeeper.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-37032419
Lots of hate preachers in Pakistan hero worship the killer of the politician Salman Taseer. Many of these preachers regularly tour mosques up and down the country in Britain.
Controversial Muslim cleric banned in Pakistan is preaching in UK mosques
Pakistani 'hate preacher' who glorifies Islamist murder welcomed by Archbishop of Canterbury
Another politician, a government minister, was killed too for speaking up for this lady.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-126175...
Edited by BlackLabel on Wednesday 31st October 11:06
I can't get either of those last two links to work, but that might be my laptop playing silly buggers.
It's incredible that this woman, Asia Bibi, has been imprisoned in solitary confinement for 8 years due to a disagreement about a bucket of water. And how many murders have been committed as a result of this case? It beggars belief. She and her family will have to flee Pakistan and then there's every chance some nutter will catch up with them at some point.
It's incredible that this woman, Asia Bibi, has been imprisoned in solitary confinement for 8 years due to a disagreement about a bucket of water. And how many murders have been committed as a result of this case? It beggars belief. She and her family will have to flee Pakistan and then there's every chance some nutter will catch up with them at some point.
Bluesgirl said:
I can't get either of those last two links to work, but that might be my laptop playing silly buggers.
It's incredible that this woman, Asia Bibi, has been imprisoned in solitary confinement for 8 years due to a disagreement about a bucket of water. And how many murders have been committed as a result of this case? It beggars belief. She and her family will have to flee Pakistan and then there's every chance some nutter will catch up with them at some point.
The links should work now.It's incredible that this woman, Asia Bibi, has been imprisoned in solitary confinement for 8 years due to a disagreement about a bucket of water. And how many murders have been committed as a result of this case? It beggars belief. She and her family will have to flee Pakistan and then there's every chance some nutter will catch up with them at some point.
4x4Tyke said:
Yet the Pakistan Supreme court has stood up to these extremists despite the threats, which can only be a good thing.
Yes, which takes enormous courage, bearing in mind the likely ramifications in their communities. Christians comprise less than 2% of the population apparently. Imagine sending your children to school every day in those circumstances.Just reading that article on the BBC.
Accused of blasphemy after she was told that her faith was polluting a bucket of water.
Confessed to it when beaten up in her own home.
Solitary confinement for 8 years.
Violent riots by people demanding her execution when she is finally released.
No worse than a Daily Mail headline. Get a grip.
Accused of blasphemy after she was told that her faith was polluting a bucket of water.
Confessed to it when beaten up in her own home.
Solitary confinement for 8 years.
Violent riots by people demanding her execution when she is finally released.
No worse than a Daily Mail headline. Get a grip.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Just reading that article on the BBC.
Accused of blasphemy after she was told that her faith was polluting a bucket of water.
Confessed to it when beaten up in her own home.
Solitary confinement for 8 years.
Violent riots by people demanding her execution when she is finally released.
No worse than a Daily Mail headline. Get a grip.
It's fAccused of blasphemy after she was told that her faith was polluting a bucket of water.
Confessed to it when beaten up in her own home.
Solitary confinement for 8 years.
Violent riots by people demanding her execution when she is finally released.
No worse than a Daily Mail headline. Get a grip.
king comical, isn't it.BlackLabel said:
4x4Tyke said:
Yet the Pakistan Supreme court has stood up to these extremists despite the threats, which can only be a good thing.
The judges are brave men - the death threats which came their way pre-judgement were very real.
Digga said:
Yes, I'd not want to be involved in politics or law in that place. It takes immense courage to stand up to the sort of barbarism they are up against.
It does - and it shows the huge gulf between countries and societies/cultures. However, it's their country. Interesting comparison, however, that over here in our 'enlightened First World haven' we have specific laws to stop this sort of hatred/violence against minority/religious groups.Worringly, though, we do seem to be moving a little too far, IMHO. Personally, I don't think that any political or religious group should be above criticism and discussion.
https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2018/10/euro...
To be honest, having seen some comments on FB last night with some meme about a Muslim woman (Shelina Janomohamed) who had said that British people should get involved in/celebrate Ramadan, I dont think we are actually that far off, if people are prepared to say what they said on an open forum, what they say in private must be even worse.
I have no particular desire to celebrate my own religous festivals so I am not going to take on anyone elses but I am not sure why people have to be so vitriolic and full of rage, am sure those so against Sharia and whatever would actually quite like version of it as long as they arent on the end of the stick.
Say anything and you get called a "Libtard Snowflake" or similar, there are definitely issues in the UK with some aspects of imported culture but like over in Pakistan its all getting a bit polarized.
I have no particular desire to celebrate my own religous festivals so I am not going to take on anyone elses but I am not sure why people have to be so vitriolic and full of rage, am sure those so against Sharia and whatever would actually quite like version of it as long as they arent on the end of the stick.
Say anything and you get called a "Libtard Snowflake" or similar, there are definitely issues in the UK with some aspects of imported culture but like over in Pakistan its all getting a bit polarized.
MikeT66 said:
It does - and it shows the huge gulf between countries and societies/cultures. However, it's their country. Interesting comparison, however, that over here in our 'enlightened First World haven' we have specific laws to stop this sort of hatred/violence against minority/religious groups.
We tend to view global events from the comfort of our western bubble, without always remembering that the gulf between rich and poor, and also good and evil, is simply more polarised - spans greater extremes - in many developing nations.J4CKO said:
To be honest, having seen some comments on FB last night with some meme about a Muslim woman (Shelina Janomohamed) who had said that British people should get involved in/celebrate Ramadan, I dont think we are actually that far off, if people are prepared to say what they said on an open forum, what they say in private must be even worse.
Whoever she may be.Anyway, I presume it's referring to this t
tterspat?https://twitter.com/loveinheadscarf/status/9974007...
Doesn't quite say "British people should celebrate it", does it? It says "part of British life, because people in Britain celebrate it". Which doesn't exactly seem to be anything but a basic statement of fact, unless you think people somehow aren't British because they happen to be Muslim.
Oh, and it's nearly six months old.
But if you want to consider events that are pretty-damn-enforced in their marking, then can I remind you that it's poppy season currently...?
TooMany2cvs said:
J4CKO said:
To be honest, having seen some comments on FB last night with some meme about a Muslim woman (Shelina Janomohamed) who had said that British people should get involved in/celebrate Ramadan, I dont think we are actually that far off, if people are prepared to say what they said on an open forum, what they say in private must be even worse.
Whoever she may be.Anyway, I presume it's referring to this t
tterspat?https://twitter.com/loveinheadscarf/status/9974007...
Doesn't quite say "British people should celebrate it", does it? It says "part of British life, because people in Britain celebrate it". Which doesn't exactly seem to be anything but a basic statement of fact, unless you think people somehow aren't British because they happen to be Muslim.
Oh, and it's nearly six months old.
But if you want to consider events that are pretty-damn-enforced in their marking, then can I remind you that it's poppy season currently...?
"This Muslim want you all to celebrate Muslim stuff"
Which was posted and generated masses of vitriol, which seems to be a Pavlovian response to mention of anything Muslim related, especially if it suggests any kind of inclusion or anyone taking a liberty "Muslims want to ban Tea" or whatever.
With regards to poppy wearing, I agree, but I am free to wear, or not wear a poppy, I chuck a couple of quid in then invariably I lose it, it doesnt feel that enforced but that daft girl who dared say anything was absolutely torn to shreds.
Going back to this specific case, I was indeed in my 'Western bubble' when I wrote "imagine sending your children to school in those circumstances".
I see from a Guardian article written last year that over 20 million children in Pakistan don't attend school. There seems to be a drive to educate more teachers. Perhaps that's a start.
Surely education is the key here, whether we're talking about religious fanaticism or freedom of speech generally. Hopefully the better educated the population are, the better able they are to differentiate and form their own opinions.
I see from a Guardian article written last year that over 20 million children in Pakistan don't attend school. There seems to be a drive to educate more teachers. Perhaps that's a start.
Surely education is the key here, whether we're talking about religious fanaticism or freedom of speech generally. Hopefully the better educated the population are, the better able they are to differentiate and form their own opinions.
Bluesgirl said:
Going back to this specific case, I was indeed in my 'Western bubble' when I wrote "imagine sending your children to school in those circumstances".
I see from a Guardian article written last year that over 20 million children in Pakistan don't attend school. There seems to be a drive to educate more teachers. Perhaps that's a start.
Surely education is the key here, whether we're talking about religious fanaticism or freedom of speech generally. Hopefully the better educated the population are, the better able they are to differentiate and form their own opinions.
Agreed. The story of Malala Yousafzai is a case in point.I see from a Guardian article written last year that over 20 million children in Pakistan don't attend school. There seems to be a drive to educate more teachers. Perhaps that's a start.
Surely education is the key here, whether we're talking about religious fanaticism or freedom of speech generally. Hopefully the better educated the population are, the better able they are to differentiate and form their own opinions.
https://www.malala.org/malalas-story
Digga said:
Bluesgirl said:
Going back to this specific case, I was indeed in my 'Western bubble' when I wrote "imagine sending your children to school in those circumstances".
I see from a Guardian article written last year that over 20 million children in Pakistan don't attend school. There seems to be a drive to educate more teachers. Perhaps that's a start.
Surely education is the key here, whether we're talking about religious fanaticism or freedom of speech generally. Hopefully the better educated the population are, the better able they are to differentiate and form their own opinions.
Agreed. The story of Malala Yousafzai is a case in point.I see from a Guardian article written last year that over 20 million children in Pakistan don't attend school. There seems to be a drive to educate more teachers. Perhaps that's a start.
Surely education is the key here, whether we're talking about religious fanaticism or freedom of speech generally. Hopefully the better educated the population are, the better able they are to differentiate and form their own opinions.
https://www.malala.org/malalas-story
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