Vegan extremists
Discussion
Willy Nilly said:
While I'm one, any thoughts on what to do with low hagberg, low specific weight and low protein milling wheat that the millers down't want if there are no animals to feed it to?
I suspect they are going to try to find "novel" vegan food products and feed it to humans. Making humans eat waste products is ludicrously profitable. See e.g. Crisco.wc98 said:
Willy Nilly said:
There were some animal rights protesters in Southend on Sunday. Quite why they were all wearing clowns masks is anyone's guess.
While I'm one, any thoughts on what to do with low hagberg, low specific weight and low protein milling wheat that the millers down't want if there are no animals to feed it to?
biomass plants ?[/quoteWhile I'm one, any thoughts on what to do with low hagberg, low specific weight and low protein milling wheat that the millers down't want if there are no animals to feed it to?
I think that the AD plants have their "feed" grown for them. They will likely need continuity of supply and I also think and might be wrong that it is harvested at a higher moisture content because it need to ferment, where as grain must not under any circumstances ferment, so I don't know if it would be suitable.
Mark-C said:
I don't think campaigning anythings are too worried about accuracy!
I hate extremists ... all of them ... whatever it is they're being extreme about ...
What are vegans extreme about? If we were sat in a field drinking some beetroot juice together and someone turned up and started sucking on the tits of a cow, who'd be the extreme one?I hate extremists ... all of them ... whatever it is they're being extreme about ...
Davos123 said:
Mark-C said:
I don't think campaigning anythings are too worried about accuracy!
I hate extremists ... all of them ... whatever it is they're being extreme about ...
What are vegans extreme about? If we were sat in a field drinking some beetroot juice togetherI hate extremists ... all of them ... whatever it is they're being extreme about ...
If I just ate meat and nothing else would you say that’s extreme?
Davos123 said:
How does this differ from mankind in general? Do we not deviate from our history constantly as our understanding of science, ethics and technology evolves?
Our bodies and dietry requirements have not changed.Humans are omnivores. Water is wet, the sky is blue.
Ethics are fickle and change with the wind. Our bodies don't.
skyrover said:
Our bodies and dietry requirements have not changed.
Humans are omnivores. Water is wet, the sky is blue.
Ethics are fickle and change with the wind. Our bodies don't.
Not going to go over 30 pages of arguments again but you can live and thrive on a diet that doesn't contain animal products. To suggest otherwise is anti-science.Humans are omnivores. Water is wet, the sky is blue.
Ethics are fickle and change with the wind. Our bodies don't.
Yes, lets not do the full 30 page argument again, and instead perhaps agree that it's possible to survive on a purely vegan diet, and that running into a field and sucking on the tits of a cow, as you put it, actually is more extreme than what happens in thousands of milk farms across the country every day.
skyrover said:
Ethics are fickle and change with the wind. Our bodies don't.
Except when they do, like the emergence of adult lactase persistence in certain parts of the world. We drink milk into adulthood likely because of genetic mutations in our early cattle farming ancestors. Absolutely gave them a survival advantage and likely also contributed to the emergence and dominance of that specific culture, but that's a happy and pretty recent (~8000 years) accident. We never needed to drink non-human milk into adulthood, it was just useful that some of us could. That's not a reason to believe we still have to or to not look at alternative sources for the same nutrients if we so choose.Tired said:
Yes, lets not do the full 30 page argument again, and instead perhaps agree that it's possible to survive on a purely vegan diet, and that running into a field and sucking on the tits of a cow, as you put it, actually is more extreme than what happens in thousands of milk farms across the country every day.
Is it more extreme than making a bull ejaculate, putting a female on a rack and shoving your arm up her anus whilst you inject said semen into her vagina with a metal rod, keeping her in a she'd through pregnancy, taking her baby away from her after 1 day (to slaughter if they're male) taking her milk from her on industrial machines and then slaughtering her a fraction into her natural lifespan when you could just make milk from oats instead?Sounds pretty f
king extreme to me.Davos123 said:
Is it more extreme than making a bull ejaculate, putting a female on a rack and shoving your arm up her anus whilst you inject said semen into her vagina with a metal rod, keeping her in a she'd through pregnancy, taking her baby away from her after 1 day (to slaughter if they're male) taking her milk from her on industrial machines and then slaughtering her a fraction into her natural lifespan when you could just make milk from oats instead?
Sounds pretty fking extreme to me.
Oh. You're one of them.Sounds pretty f
king extreme to me.Never mind, carry on, fill your boots, whatever.
Davos123 said:
Not going to go over 30 pages of arguments again but you can live and thrive on a diet that doesn't contain animal products. To suggest otherwise is anti-science.
Says you. Yet several countries advise against it for babies, toddlers, children, pregnant or breastfeeding women, the elderly or infirm. So, anyone needing nutrients, then.
Or you could Google "why I am no longer vegan" to find many tales from ex vegans, sometimes quite well known and vocal ones, admitting that their health had been deteriorating until finally their teeth fell out, or something similar, which broke the camel's back and they quit.
Eat what you want. Just leave me alone.
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