Vegan extremists

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NoVetec

9,360 posts

112 months

Friday 1st February
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Ah a parrot for me as well, I read that as and a vegan diet is associated...

Forensic Unknown

17 posts

22 months

Friday 1st February
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Kenny Powers said:
Forensic Unknown said:
Kenny Powers said:
Arguing with vegans about nutrition science was recently voted the first biggest waste of time ever, and has also been associated with increased all-cause mortality in multiple epidemiology studies.
Could you link those studies please as there are many epidemiology studies that have conclusions that contradict what you're saying.
You want links to studies showing that arguing with vegans is associated with increased all-cause mortality?

I don’t have any because I made it up smile
You got me biggrin


Forensic Unknown

17 posts

22 months

Friday 1st February
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NoVetec said:
Apologies if this has been done before, but what does a typical day meal/snack wise look like for the vegans/flexis here?

And how active or strenuous are your typical days?

Asking out of genuine interest, I won't throw esteaks. smile
It was briefly talked about before but I'll usually have cereal or toast and peanut butter in the morning, sometimes oats with fruit and some flaxseed.

Snacks are typically fruit or things like cucumber and hummus, breakfast bars, nuts, yoghurts etc

Lunch and dinners are things like chilli, pasta, soups, stir fry, curries, mexican and what not. Instead of meat I just incorporate more legumes in my diet. To be fair it's mainly what I ate before just 'vegan' versions of said food.

I'm an electrician so some days can be pretty physical and others quite relaxed.

survivalist

510 posts

129 months

Friday 1st February
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Evanivitch said:
Tired said:
Some things are steeped in culture, no doubt, but that culture has appeared, based on 2 things. What we had available. And from that, what is actually good to eat.
Nope. Governments have been influencing what was in our plates for 100s, if not 1000s of years. Be it limiting what kind of animal you can hunt, to taxation of certain crops. Saying something is 'available' is an incredibly broad term that can mean anything to being in fashion to surviving a short term climatic event (like the mini ice age) or crop disease (potatoes being a good example of boom and bust in both).
True historically, but in the last 10-20 years that power has shifted from governments to corporations. Granted, more so in North and Latin America, but followed by the UK who have the dubious honour of being the most obese of the EU nations.

Largely because a companies main motivation is profit rather than health and nutrition they want to sell food with a long shelf life and is widely consumed or over-consumed. Basically junk food as it has the highest profit margins.

End result is making st food much cheaper and more easily available than healthy food. So the original post is absolutely correct - the poplar diet is absolutely based on what is available and what tastes good. The massive issue is that it's poor in terms of nutrients, massively calorific and potentially addictive. Doesn't mean that it's a good thing. Also another indicator that governments are loosing the battle to protect citizens against corporations.

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Friday 1st February
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survivalist said:
governments are loosing the battle to protect citizens against corporations.
I dont want a government to "protect me from corporations"

I am quite capable of having a balanced diet without them meddling.

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survivalist

510 posts

129 months

Friday 1st February
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DoubleD said:
survivalist said:
governments are loosing the battle to protect citizens against corporations.
I dont want a government to "protect me from corporations"

I am quite capable of having a balanced diet without them meddling.
You might well be, but the data suggests that the vast majority of the population aren't - otherwise we wouldn't be seeing record levels of obesity, obesity related diseases, type 2 diabetes etc

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Friday 1st February
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survivalist said:
DoubleD said:
survivalist said:
governments are loosing the battle to protect citizens against corporations.
I dont want a government to "protect me from corporations"

I am quite capable of having a balanced diet without them meddling.
You might well be, but the data suggests that the vast majority of the population aren't - otherwise we wouldn't be seeing record levels of obesity, obesity related diseases, type 2 diabetes etc
The vast majority of people that I meet arent obese, data cant always be trusted. And people dont want the government meddling.

Anyway, this thread is about extremists, not diets!

survivalist

510 posts

129 months

Friday 1st February
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DoubleD said:
survivalist said:
DoubleD said:
survivalist said:
governments are loosing the battle to protect citizens against corporations.
I dont want a government to "protect me from corporations"

I am quite capable of having a balanced diet without them meddling.
You might well be, but the data suggests that the vast majority of the population aren't - otherwise we wouldn't be seeing record levels of obesity, obesity related diseases, type 2 diabetes etc
The vast majority of people that I meet arent obese, data cant always be trusted. And people dont want the government meddling.

Anyway, this thread is about extremists, not diets!
The vast majority of people I meet aren't Australians, so clearly the data on the number of Australians in the U.K. can't be trusted. Or Fat, or Poor etc

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Friday 1st February
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survivalist said:
The vast majority of people I meet aren't Australians, so clearly the data on the number of Australians in the U.K. can't be trusted. Or Fat, or Poor etc
Pointless post

survivalist

510 posts

129 months

Friday 1st February
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DoubleD said:
survivalist said:
The vast majority of people I meet aren't Australians, so clearly the data on the number of Australians in the U.K. can't be trusted. Or Fat, or Poor etc
Pointless post
Merely pointing out that just because you rarely meet fat people doent mean they don't exist. In the same way I'm not denying the existence of Australians because I rarely run into them in my local ;-)

Or in summary - data usually trumps anecdotal evidence.

Evanivitch

3,875 posts

61 months

Friday 1st February
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DoubleD said:
The vast majority of people that I meet arent obese, data cant always be trusted. And people dont want the government meddling.

Anyway, this thread is about extremists, not diets!
Lol. Why are so many people on pistonheads unable to accept statistics that don't align with their tiny view of the world around them?

And people clearly do want the government meddling, they keep electing meddling governments!

"A person is smart, people are dumb."


Halb

46,698 posts

122 months

Friday 1st February
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Evanivitch said:
Lol. Why are so many people on pistonheads unable to accept statistics that don't align with their tiny view of the world around them?
It happens in a lot of threads. It's an interesting phenomenon

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Friday 1st February
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survivalist said:
Merely pointing out that just because you rarely meet fat people doent mean they don't exist.
Errr well obviously!

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Friday 1st February
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Also this is a thread about extremists, not diets.

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Friday 1st February
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Halb said:
Evanivitch said:
Lol. Why are so many people on pistonheads unable to accept statistics that don't align with their tiny view of the world around them?
It happens in a lot of threads. It's an interesting phenomenon
Data is only worth while if it has been collected in a good way.

Stand outside FatFighters on a Thursday night and count fat vs thin people....and guess what....most people are fat!

survivalist

510 posts

129 months

Friday 1st February
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DoubleD said:
Halb said:
Evanivitch said:
Lol. Why are so many people on pistonheads unable to accept statistics that don't align with their tiny view of the world around them?
It happens in a lot of threads. It's an interesting phenomenon
Data is only worth while if it has been collected in a good way.

Stand outside FatFighters on a Thursday night and count fat vs thin people....and guess what....most people are fat!
Unsurprisingly the NHS are pretty transparent about how the data is collected, they're not standing outside anywhere in particular on a given night

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Friday 1st February
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survivalist said:
DoubleD said:
Halb said:
Evanivitch said:
Lol. Why are so many people on pistonheads unable to accept statistics that don't align with their tiny view of the world around them?
It happens in a lot of threads. It's an interesting phenomenon
Data is only worth while if it has been collected in a good way.

Stand outside FatFighters on a Thursday night and count fat vs thin people....and guess what....most people are fat!
Unsurprisingly the NHS are pretty transparent about how the data is collected, they're not standing outside anywhere in particular on a given night
Fair enough. But this isnt a thread about fat people, its a thread about extremists.

Evanivitch

3,875 posts

61 months

Saturday 2nd February
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DoubleD said:
Also this is a thread about extremists, not diets.
So vegan has nothing to do with diet? Just because I'm sure I saw it the thread title.

DoubleD

7,262 posts

47 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Evanivitch said:
DoubleD said:
Also this is a thread about extremists, not diets.
So vegan has nothing to do with diet? Just because I'm sure I saw it the thread title.
Yes, veganism is a diet. But this thread isnt about dieting. Its about nutters who push their beliefs onto others.

Davos123

5,079 posts

151 months

Saturday 2nd February
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DoubleD said:
Yes, veganism is a diet. But this thread isnt about dieting. Its about nutters who push their beliefs onto others.
Veganism is not a diet. There are plenty of different diets a vegan may eat, all of them plant-based.

Veganism is the belief that all sentient life is deserving of holding dominion over itself and therefore avoiding contributing to the killing and exploitation of animals in any form.