A tax on red meat?...

[Evanivitch]

grumbledoak said:

This isn't true, but it is being repeated a lot recently. Cattle on pastureland have quite a small environmental footprint.

Do you think cows live in fields all year?

[Halb]

red_slr said:

IIRC they do exactly that in Japan.

and they aren't full to the brim with fatties either.

[powerstroke]

LDN said:

grumbledoak said:

You are talking complete rubbish. On both counts. The "diseases of civilisation" have followed wheat and sugar around the world, and the last sixty years of government "health advice" has pushed people away from healthy animal products into an obesity, diabetes, and cancer epidemic. And all for profit. Pure evil.

And your suggestion is "more of the same".

So meat is not linked to cancer, heart disease and lower life expectancy? I can’t tell if you’re being serious or simply naive.

Either way

Too much of anything is bad , meat ,lentils , sugar, vegans , knowitals and Lib dems etc , sign me up for a heart attack at 75 before I go gar gar and incontinent ...

[Halb]

75? frak, that's the new 30 isn't it?

[LDN]

powerstroke said:

LDN said:

grumbledoak said:

You are talking complete rubbish. On both counts. The "diseases of civilisation" have followed wheat and sugar around the world, and the last sixty years of government "health advice" has pushed people away from healthy animal products into an obesity, diabetes, and cancer epidemic. And all for profit. Pure evil.

And your suggestion is "more of the same".

So meat is not linked to cancer, heart disease and lower life expectancy? I can’t tell if you’re being serious or simply naive.

Either way

Too much of anything is bad , meat ,lentils , sugar, vegans , knowitals and Lib dems etc , sign me up for a heart attack at 75 before I go gar gar and incontinent ...

You’re signed up! I hope you make it that far!

The too much of anything argument is a diversion; I understand why; I’ve been through it myself. Meat is linked; across the board; to cancer and heart disease. It’s a fact. But yes, you can ignore that fact, or accept the risks; of course.

[anonymous-user]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think too much sugar is pretty much universally seen as bad news. I didn't and still don't support the tax on it but it makes some sense in the way taxing tobacco makes sense.

A friend of mine lost a load of weight by eating almost nothing but red meat, and a few years on he is fitter and healthier now than he was 20 odd years ago at university.

I haven't gone completely that way but I've never likes sweets and biscuits anyway, I've cut out rice, pasta, potatoes etc and just about done away with bread. Feel tons better for it. Lost weight, have more energy, don't have the post lunch lull anymore. Especially after a few days of nothing biut beef, or a day of fasting. My friend's theory, which seems to make sense, is that this as closely as possible mirrors the sort of diet our pre-agricultural ancestors would have had.

I have also noticed some people (it's often women, but not always) are truly addicted to carbs and can get very grumpy if they don't get their fix. They then go very docile and passive when they do.

To each their own and all that, but as far as I'm concerned red meat is human food and taxing (o try and encourage us to eat what exactly?) is not on.

That's pretty much me. I have been carrying too much weight for a decade or so, started putting weight on when i hit 40 and although i didn't overeat, i couldn't sort it out.

I had a back injury that put me out of action last year and put more weight on due to not being able to move about much, my job is pretty physical work with me on my feet all day, and i was now sat on my arse. (posting on PH far too much!)

In January i got to 103kg and was at the height of my lack of mobility, but i managed to find a brilliant chiropractor and physio team who help sort my back issues (still going once a fortnight for chiro and once a week for physio, i was 3 times a week for both at the start). We talked about my weight and how i wanted to improve that, which would also help my back recovery.

They put me in touch with a nutritionist and we came up with a plan on what to eat, how much and when. The first time in my life i'd had some advice on food. I now eat more often, smaller portions that all all healthy. Lots of meat, fish, veg, eggs, no carbs, no wheat, no dairy, no sugar.

I've gone from 103Kg to 78Kg since January, have far more energy and don't miss the processed st i used to eat at all. I cook everything from fresh.

Only time i cant do this is when working away for a few days and i always put weight on, even when i am careful. It's simply impossible to avoid st when doing the job i do, working the hours i do, where the hours worked don't allow normal meal times.

When i now go food shopping at the supermarket, i really notice how 95% of the stuff on the shelves is utter st and i cant (and dont want to) buy. I think back to when i was a super fit, thin as a rake kid and the food my mum used to cook us, none of the processed st kids now live off. It's not the kids faults they are now fat as fk, the whole food system they get shoved down their throats needs binning.

Tax red meat, fk off!

[susanq]

Gecko1978 said:

Far as I can tell the Sugar tax applies to just Soft drinks

This includes tonic water, that goes with gin. Not happy thankfully Fevertree have introduced ‘naturally low’ versions of all tonic waters. Phew!

[JuanCarlosFandango]

jsf
I like you already.

It was exactly the same for me as I was working away a lot in the last couple of years. The utter junk that's on sale in most pubs and restaurants is depressing when I know I can get a damn good rib eye from Aldi for £3.50. Even though I got extra for being away I just resent paying £10-15 for a meal that is about £2 worth of meat then a plate full of potatoes or pasta and usually some sickly sauce.

I actually did throw a stove and a pan in the back of the car sometimes when the weather was good.

I also bought some nice minced beef from a butcher for an impromptu steak tartar a few times.


I never set out to be an extremist about this, and I do allow myself the odd bit of bread or something, but I increasingly find that I just don't want it. When I did have a few fork fulls of spaghetti a couple of weeks ago the effect was like having a hangover!

[RDMcG]

Very regressive and puts a disproportionate burden on the lass well-off.

[anonymous-user]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

jsf
I like you already.

It was exactly the same for me as I was working away a lot in the last couple of years. The utter junk that's on sale in most pubs and restaurants is depressing when I know I can get a damn good rib eye from Aldi for £3.50. Even though I got extra for being away I just resent paying £10-15 for a meal that is about £2 worth of meat then a plate full of potatoes or pasta and usually some sickly sauce.

I actually did throw a stove and a pan in the back of the car sometimes when the weather was good.

I also bought some nice minced beef from a butcher for an impromptu steak tartar a few times.


I never set out to be an extremist about this, and I do allow myself the odd bit of bread or something, but I increasingly find that I just don't want it. When I did have a few fork fulls of spaghetti a couple of weeks ago the effect was like having a hangover!

The food you eat and how often has a big impact on how your body stores or burns fat, eating fatty meat doesn't make you fat, its sugars, carbs and the cycle your body is fed at that triggers you to store or burn the fat. If you don't eat breakfast and regular small meals, your body goes into fat storage mode as it thinks you are going to be starved, so even if you eat less during the day than if you had breakfast and the occasional snack, you put weight on because your natural system is designed to combat starvation and is designed for small regular meal consumption.

[Exige77]

LDN said:

powerstroke said:

LDN said:

grumbledoak said:

You are talking complete rubbish. On both counts. The "diseases of civilisation" have followed wheat and sugar around the world, and the last sixty years of government "health advice" has pushed people away from healthy animal products into an obesity, diabetes, and cancer epidemic. And all for profit. Pure evil.

And your suggestion is "more of the same".

So meat is not linked to cancer, heart disease and lower life expectancy? I can’t tell if you’re being serious or simply naive.

Either way

Too much of anything is bad , meat ,lentils , sugar, vegans , knowitals and Lib dems etc , sign me up for a heart attack at 75 before I go gar gar and incontinent ...

You’re signed up! I hope you make it that far!

The too much of anything argument is a diversion; I understand why; I’ve been through it myself. Meat is linked; across the board; to cancer and heart disease. It’s a fact. But yes, you can ignore that fact, or accept the risks; of course.

So what exactly does “Linked” mean then ?

Is it like being “Linked” to WMD or ISIS (so called)

[grumbledoak]

LDN said:

So meat is not linked to cancer, heart disease and lower life expectancy? I can’t tell if you’re being serious or simply naive.

For cancer I would be looking at sugar and seed oils. Heart disease also those plus smoking, though in fact heart attacks peaked long ago.
The world's highest life expectancy is Hong Kong, where they eat the most meat per capita. The fatty stuff, too.

I can't tell if you are being serious or simply marketing for the junk food industry.

[anonymous-user]

Swap red meat for fish. We’re surrounded by water and the stuff will be cheaper than chips once our redundant bankers get the new trawler fleets going. Win-win!

[FredericRobinson]

Evanivitch said:

Do you think cows live in fields all year?

Beef cattle, yes

[kayc]

I think they should encourage red meat eating,smoking and drinking..we have an ageing population that we cant look after and a huge pension crisis coming up..kill 'em off early that will solve the problem

[CrutyRammers]

These people never stop do they. Butt out of my life, k thx bye.

[stew-STR160]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think too much sugar is pretty much universally seen as bad news. I didn't and still don't support the tax on it but it makes some sense in the way taxing tobacco makes sense.

A friend of mine lost a load of weight by eating almost nothing but red meat, and a few years on he is fitter and healthier now than he was 20 odd years ago at university.

I haven't gone completely that way but I've never likes sweets and biscuits anyway, I've cut out rice, pasta, potatoes etc and just about done away with bread. Feel tons better for it. Lost weight, have more energy, don't have the post lunch lull anymore. Especially after a few days of nothing biut beef, or a day of fasting. My friend's theory, which seems to make sense, is that this as closely as possible mirrors the sort of diet our pre-agricultural ancestors would have had.

I have also noticed some people (it's often women, but not always) are truly addicted to carbs and can get very grumpy if they don't get their fix. They then go very docile and passive when they do.

To each their own and all that, but as far as I'm concerned red meat is human food and taxing (o try and encourage us to eat what exactly?) is not on.

Sounds to me like the carnivore diet.
Quite a few people I'm aware of (Jordan Peterson, Dr Shawn Baker) have done it and it's helped fix life long ailments.


Taxing processed junk meat, fine. Well, not really, it's already fking taxed!

[LDN]

grumbledoak said:

LDN said:

So meat is not linked to cancer, heart disease and lower life expectancy? I can’t tell if you’re being serious or simply naive.

For cancer I would be looking at sugar and seed oils. Heart disease also those plus smoking, though in fact heart attacks peaked long ago.
The world's highest life expectancy is Hong Kong, where they eat the most meat per capita. The fatty stuff, too.

I can't tell if you are being serious or simply marketing for the junk food industry.

So, you can’t tell if I’m being serious; or marketing? But the consensus is strong. Meat is linked to everything mentioned. I’ve not made it up. It’s bad for the individual and bad for the environment. I’m pretty sure that Monaco tops the life expectancy chart; a chart that could also show that those places with the lowest life expectancy also consume a lot of meat. Life expectancy charts by country won’t be as accurate as actual focus studies...

The World Health Organisation officially considers meat carcinogenic. Are they also marketing!? - or maybe; like most people, you’d rather forage for tidbits that support an existing belief. It’s quite normal.

[BoRED S2upid]

garagewidow said:

They'll probably need some sort of incentive,..

how about subsidising trainers and shell suits,....

Liverpool would love that.

[Evanivitch]

FredericRobinson said:

Evanivitch said:

Do you think cows live in fields all year?

Beef cattle, yes

Not true.

In the UK the majority of industrial scale (not intensive) will bring their beef cattle in over winter. Smaller scale farms using more hardy breeds will keep them outside over winter, but it's the exception and not the rule.

Equally applicable to organic breef.